Performance Comparison GWT Transpiler with MacBook Pro M1 Pro processor

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lofid...@gmail.com

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Oct 28, 2021, 6:38:45 PM10/28/21
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Hi All,

I wrote a short comparison about GWT Transpiler with MacBook Pro M1 Pro processor.


Enjoy!

Craig Mitchell

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Oct 28, 2021, 10:15:33 PM10/28/21
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After Apple threatened me with legal action for writing an Android app, I've steered clear of any Apple product.  But, wow, those M1 chips are amazing!

lofid...@gmail.com

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Oct 29, 2021, 4:44:43 AM10/29/21
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Oh,  that's not good... :-(

Actually I'm only a user of MacBook but private I don't use any iPhones, etc. Too expensive...

Yes and Frank Hossfeld will get a M1Max and he'll try the same to compare the GWT transpilation time... I cannot wait...

2 minutes 23 secs is the record... damn fast...

Cheers,
Lofi

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Oct 29, 2021, 4:45:38 AM10/29/21
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I updated the article with Linux Ubuntu and Marco adds using non-native JDK on M1Pro... not good...

Hamid Razoki

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Oct 29, 2021, 12:18:07 PM10/29/21
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Hi i did same comparison for my big monster gwt projet .

We use gwt 2.5 with maven 3.3 jdk 1.8 . in a windows server 2016 ( 8cpu , 64go ram)

We got  between 50min to 1h10min for one permutation. 

Do you have any susggestion to make it short .

Thx

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Craig Mitchell

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Oct 30, 2021, 4:12:54 AM10/30/21
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Sounds like you have a real monolith.  These sort of projects usually need to be split apart into seperate services.

How many lines of code is your client?

lofid...@gmail.com

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Oct 30, 2021, 6:33:56 AM10/30/21
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Agree with craig...

In my experience it could be front end (GWT, TypeScript) or back end (Spring), no difference. The web or backend apps could become huge.

In this case you need to cleanup and make them smaller pieces...

Design Pattern = Microservices / Micro UIs / Turducken for GWT


This applies also to all type of apps (front end, back end, desktop, whatsoever).

Thanks, Lofi

Hamid Razoki

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Oct 30, 2021, 6:44:40 AM10/30/21
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Yes is a big monolith maven project splited on 43 gwt module . 

lofid...@gmail.com

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Oct 31, 2021, 8:30:59 AM10/31/21
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Ahh you already have split the monolith webapp into 43 Maven modules (one Maven module == one GWT module)? So this is actually already better than ONE monolith Maven project with all the GWT modules (yes there is also such a project 😅).

So you actually don't need to rebuild everything and can work independently per Maven == GWT module?

Now I don't understand the problem... 😉😅

Cheers, Lofi

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Nov 16, 2021, 4:16:05 PM11/16/21
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An update to my performance test article with GWT and now M1Max:


Insane... fast... only 1m13s with -T 1C

This is the record now 😅

Jens

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Nov 17, 2021, 4:32:38 AM11/17/21
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Shouldn't really matter if M1 Pro or M1 Max, given that both have the same CPU. Also the doubled memory bandwidth of the M1 Max shouldn't matter too much, if at all. Have you run the benchmarks multiple times? I am pretty sure the 10s difference will become much smaller when using mean numbers of multiple runs.

In my opinion the M1 Pro is the perfect chip for development unless you also do graphic intense work. With less GPU cores you also get slightly better battery life. 

Nevertheless, the M1 performance gain is pretty nice, given that the MacBook Pro will be barely warm.

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lofid...@gmail.com

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Nov 17, 2021, 6:13:53 AM11/17/21
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Hi Jens,

those MacBook Pros are not mine :-( 

But yes, I asked them to run the build multiple times and took the fastest time... 12s faster for M1Max is not much... but still ;-)

Yes, never thought that the build could be so fast... ;-)

Frank Hossfeld

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Dec 2, 2021, 6:06:06 AM12/2/21
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I did some tests with one of my larger GWT projects. It takes 3:55 on my "old" MacBook Pro 16" i9 2.4 GHz, 64 GB RAM. Same project build on a new MacBook Pro M1 Max 64 GB takes roundabout 2:00. That's an incredible improvement. 

And, most important, you do not hear a fan ... the new MacBook does the job without any noise ... 

I agree with Jens. I don't hink, that there is a huge difference in performance Pro and Max 

lofid...@gmail.com

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Dec 2, 2021, 4:26:27 PM12/2/21
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@Frank: Wow half of the time, 100% faster, that's really crazy!

Maybe next year ... to get a new one 😉

Jens

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Dec 6, 2021, 4:32:15 AM12/6/21
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I did some tests with one of my larger GWT projects. It takes 3:55 on my "old" MacBook Pro 16" i9 2.4 GHz, 64 GB RAM. Same project build on a new MacBook Pro M1 Max 64 GB takes roundabout 2:00. That's an incredible improvement. 

Is that project public? Then I would try it with my M1 Pro 32gb which is IMHO the best value for developers, unless you do graphics stuff.

-- J. 

Frank Hossfeld

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Jan 11, 2022, 2:17:08 PM (7 days ago) Jan 11
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No, sorry ... closed source. Yep, I agree with. Don't think, that the graphics CPUs will have an impact of the compile time.
So, the M1 Pro is a great choice for developers. Now I am waiting for the next Mac Pro ...

Shawn Asamoto-Brown

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Jan 12, 2022, 3:12:42 AM (6 days ago) Jan 12
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I kinda like the Max 64GB.  I'm pushing 54GB used for eclipse (running an appengine dev and GWT server) during a build.  My upload to google cloud is slow so after the build I can easily start developing again while it's deploying.

I also use a ramdisk and set the GWT SuperDev mode to use that with  -workDir /Users/me/.tmpdisk/GWT_RAM_DISK.  Then build with an ant task and add this to the gwtc java task for building.

<sysproperty key="gwt.persistentunitcachedir" value="/Users/me/.tmpdisk/GWT_RAM_DISK"/>


No benchmarks but probably the biggest benefit is debugging which I still do in Eclipse via SDGB.

I haven't been able to get Eclipse to run natively as macOS AArch64 is only available from the 2021-12 version which just borks my project.  It seems to be a conflict with the google-cloud-plugin I use for appengine.  Still 2021-09 with emulated Eclipse is a major improvement especially since the dev server and build processes can be run natively.

Anyway, 32GB on a pro ordered today is about a month to get delivery and 64GB on a max is about two months.  I got a 64GB max with 32 GPUs (maybe I can use those for machine learning) as it was the only way to get more than 16GB of memory without waiting so long and I had to move suddenly and couldn't bring my iMac.  

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Shawn Asamoto-Brown

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Jan 13, 2022, 2:39:12 AM (5 days ago) Jan 13
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Just to correct myself ...

I haven't been able to get Eclipse to run natively as macOS AArch64 is only available from the 2021-12 version which just borks my project.  It seems to be a conflict with the google-cloud-plugin I use for appengine.  Still 2021-09 with emulated Eclipse is a major improvement especially since the dev server and build processes can be run natively. 

Eclipse 2021-12 runs fine with AArch64.  I used the following from the Eclipse Market place which is what caused the trouble — Eclipse m2e - Maven support in Eclipse IDE 

And AArch64 is available before 2021-12 (4.22).  That the first version for a distributed J2EE download though you can get an earlier version and add in J2EE support.

And SDBG debugging still works (debugging in eclipse).  I wasn’t able to build the SDBG for Java 11 anymore (I remember it being easy last time) but was able to use the one I’d previously build.

S

Craig Mitchell

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Jan 13, 2022, 6:46:31 AM (5 days ago) Jan 13
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>  I haven't been able to get Eclipse to run natively as macOS AArch64 is only available from the 2021-12 version which just borks my project.  It seems to be a conflict with the google-cloud-plugin I use for appengine.

Leon Pennings

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Jan 15, 2022, 7:19:48 AM (3 days ago) Jan 15
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For around a 1000 euro, you can build a desktop that is faster compiling than any laptop.
And on linux the memory is used a lot more efficient than on a mac, so you need less.
That being said - I have a macbook when I travel. But in the office and at home I switched to working on desktops about 5 yrs ago.



Op woensdag 12 januari 2022 om 09:12:42 UTC+1 schreef Shawn:

lofid...@gmail.com

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Jan 15, 2022, 10:38:21 AM (3 days ago) Jan 15
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@leon.p:

This would be interesting...  Could you try to build the project as I mentioned in my article? To see what time we would get there?

Here is the article: 


and


Record is: 

1. Without -T 1C clean install: 2m21s
2. With -T 1C clean install: 1m13s

Would like to see if someone can get faster than this 😉

Thanks, Lofi

Shawn

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Jan 15, 2022, 8:46:22 PM (3 days ago) Jan 15
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Hi,

01:11 min was the best I could get with an Apple M1 Max, 64GB.  

[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------

[INFO] Reactor Summary for gwt-boot-samples 1.0.0-SNAPSHOT:

[INFO] 

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-basic .............................. SUCCESS [ 46.823 s]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-collection ......................... SUCCESS [01:07 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-elemento-core ...................... SUCCESS [ 53.763 s]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-elemento-template .................. SUCCESS [ 53.487 s]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-rxgwt .............................. SUCCESS [01:00 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-domino-rest ........................ SUCCESS [01:11 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-gwtbootstrap3 ................... SUCCESS [01:03 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-gwtmaterial ..................... SUCCESS [01:08 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-domino .......................... SUCCESS [01:11 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-domino-dagger2 .................. SUCCESS [01:10 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-vue-gwt ......................... SUCCESS [01:00 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-sample-ui-dncomponents .................... SUCCESS [01:07 min]

[INFO] gwt-boot-samples ................................... SUCCESS [  0.181 s]

[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------

[INFO] BUILD SUCCESS

[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------

[INFO] Total time:  01:11 min (Wall Clock)

[INFO] Finished at: 2022-01-15T12:39:42-10:00

[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Shawn

Leon Pennings

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Jan 16, 2022, 4:17:36 AM (2 days ago) Jan 16
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My current machine has an AMD Ryzen 5 5600X, 32GB mem - this was around a 900-1000 euro build from late last year.
I installed the same jdk and used the same mvn (see screenshots)

For normal mvn clean install I had 02:24 and for the mvn -T 1C clean install I had 1:33

I think for another 2-300 euro's for a better processor I could do a lot better still.

Leon.









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lofid...@gmail.com

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Jan 16, 2022, 6:07:45 AM (2 days ago) Jan 16
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Hi All,

thanks a lot for the data, really appreciate this 🙏

Apple M1 Max 64: 1m11s (identical with the test in my second article M1 Max)

and Linux AMD (which is much cheaper 😊): 1m33s 
... almost identical with M1 Pro: 1m25s (my first article)

So, for desktop we could just use Linux AMD, cheaper and fast enough 😅

Thanks a lot!
Lofi

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