reply in this lousy change of googles

[phil]

I want to be able to reply,within the sent email, and can't do it anymore by hitting 'reply' and typing. Someone was good enought to respond in this site and i wanted to print the response...another frustration. Can't print off of these.

Iif someone can respond to both of these points , I;d appreciate it. Since i can't print this, pls also respond to my email at wcs...@gmail.com.

For a copy that was started by 'young geniuses," i can't understand why they're not old enough to know ' if it ain't broke, don't fix it.'  To me, these last couple of 'improvements' are the opposite!

phil

[Andy]

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 3:53 PM, phil <wcs...@gmail.com> wrote:

I want to be able to reply,within the sent email, and can't do it anymore by hitting 'reply' and typing.

What happens when you hit 'reply' and start typing?

Have you tried "clearing cache and cookies" yet?

 

Someone was good enought to respond in this site and i wanted to print the response...another frustration. Can't print off of these.

Again, what happens when you try to print?  Do you get an error message from your printer?  From Gmail?  From your operating system?  Does anything happen?

Which "print" did you start with (the printer icon in the upper right, or the Print choice in the drop-down menu)?

Andy

[phil]

Andy;

1) pls send this to me to wcs...@gmail.com so i can print your reply.

2) pls tell me again, and in that email, how i can type a reply in the body of the email i received. I've tried it, by hitting reply and going to the send email ( which worked before these 'geniuses' decided to, once again, make changes no one wants) but it no longer works.

3) i'm afraid i'm computer ignorant so don't know what 'cleaning caches and cookies ' means nor how to do it. Would appreciate it if you could tell me how to do this and what it means.

thks much,

phil

[Zack (Doc)]

Phil,

You can print from the group's page, simply click the arrow on the right that drops down (next to the reply arrow) and select print.

I don't know that any of us understand the problem that you're having.  Replying in GMail is nearly identical to replying in the groups, which is obviously working for you.

This link, from the Help Center of GMail, should be kept for you. (https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/32050)  It is invaluable information for whenever you're having a problem with a web site, Google or otherwise.

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[Andy]

On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:53 PM, phil <wcs...@gmail.com> wrote:

2) pls tell me again, and in that email, how i can type a reply in the body of the email i received. I've tried it, by hitting reply and going to the send email ( which worked before these 'geniuses' decided to, once again, make changes no one wants) but it no longer works.

I think maybe what you are trying to say is, how do you reply and have the things you type appear along with (and among) the text of the message you are replying to.  Is that it?

OK.  After you hit reply, you should get a box where you type your reply.  Inside that box, near the lower left, there is an ellipsis (three dots, like this: "...").  Click on that.  This action should "open up" the text of the message to which you are replying.  You can move the cursor to within that text, and type wherever you position the cursor.

There is a keyboard shortcut that does the same thing as clicking on the ellipsis:  Ctrl-Shift-A (hold down the "Ctrl" key AND the 'Shift" key AND press the "A" key).

Unfortunately, there's no way to have the previous text always automatically open when you start a reply.  It is necessary to either click on the ellipsis, or to press ctrl-shift-A.

Andy

[Marko Vukovic]

On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Andy <AI.e...@gmail.com> wrote:

Unfortunately, there's no way to have the previous text always automatically open when you start a reply.  It is necessary to either click on the ellipsis, or to press ctrl-shift-A.

Why, if top-posting as most people will, does one need to expand the ellipsis? The reply starts directly below the message being replied to, so that is always visible above.

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Marko

[Andy]

Why, if top-posting as most people will, does one need to expand the ellipsis? The reply starts directly below the message being replied to, so that is always visible above.

That's a good question.  But remember that the original question was about how to intersperse the reply with the replied-to text.

As to why not just top-post like most people do, it's because it is stupid.  OK, so that is my opinion I'm throwing at you.  But most people I know read things from top to bottom, and top-posting forces you to read from bottom up to get proper context.  Especially problematic when several questions have been asked, or points have been made, some or all of which need to be addressed.  Top-posting a reply to all of them, before the recipient gets to see what they are about, leads to confusion.  It's almost as bad as the reply where all of the previous text has been deleted, leaving no context whatsoever.

Andy

[Marko Vukovic]

On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 8:26 AM, Andy <AI.e...@gmail.com> wrote:

Why, if top-posting as most people will, does one need to expand the ellipsis? The reply starts directly below the message being replied to, so that is always visible above.

That's a good question.  But remember that the original question was about how to intersperse the reply with the replied-to text.

You're assuming that is what the OP meant.

As to why not just top-post like most people do, it's because it is stupid.  OK, so that is my opinion I'm throwing at you.  But most people I know read things from top to bottom, and top-posting forces you to read from bottom up to get proper context.  Especially problematic when several questions have been asked, or points have been made, some or all of which need to be addressed.  Top-posting a reply to all of them, before the recipient gets to see what they are about, leads to confusion.  It's almost as bad as the reply where all of the previous text has been deleted, leaving no context whatsoever.

You don't have to tell me it's stupid, I have already expressed that opinion myself.

I enjoy using the 'Quote selected text' lab which lets me select what I wish to reply to, hit the reply button and then only that text is quoted.

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Marko

[Randy Harmelink]

I could say bottom posting is stupid -- why force me to reread all the previous content and have to search for the new content? When you're talking with someone, you don't repeat the entire previous conversation before starting your new entry into the conversation. Which is what bottom posting does.

The biggest problem I have with top posting is that too many people don't bother to trim ANY of the message they are replying to. But, the same problem exists with bottom posting. I don't mind bottom posting if all that is repeated is a line or two. But when it's 2 or 3 pages of text? Forget it.

In general, I prefer top-posting, simply because I want to get to the new content right away. In many cases, I am already reading the thread of messages, so I don't really need things to be repeated to me before a response is made.

About the only time I do a bottom posting style is when I have things interspersed. But in that case, it's to address things point-by-point, as a Q&A type message. So, bottom posting on each point. But the repeated text is usually VERY short.

What makes both top-posting and bottom-posting bad is lack of effort on the part of the message writer. They are just too lazy to trim properly, so way too much extra garbage just gets in the way. And this Google change just encourages that.

[Andy]

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 When you're talking with someone, you don't repeat the entire previous conversation before starting your new entry into the conversation.

...

No.  But you also don't answer them before they ask the question either.

What makes both top-posting and bottom-posting bad is lack of effort on the part of the message writer. They are just too lazy to trim properly, so way too much extra garbage just gets in the way. And this Google change just encourages that.

Agreed!

Andy