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imth...@gmail.com

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Apr 9, 2009, 9:01:32 AM4/9/09
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New to G-mail & hope there's an easy fix. I currently receive 100's of
spam e-mails per week - all unasked for - many from overseas - all
from different senders with different subject matters. Is there an
easy way to stop the spam w/o dropping g-mail? Thanks

Nick Chirchirillo

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Apr 9, 2009, 9:50:42 AM4/9/09
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Are they making their way to your Inbox or are they being caught by the spam filter?  If they are getting caught, then don't worry about it.  The spam filter is doing it's job and catching the spam.  If you don't like seeing how many spam messages you have, I believe there is a GMail Lab that will hide the unread counts.

If they are getting into your Inbox, then make sure you mark them as spam, and soon the filter will learn what you don't like.

Unfortunately, spam is a fact of email, and since GMail is a popular service, it's getting targeted by spammers.
--
-Nick

MaggieMeerkat

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Apr 14, 2009, 9:31:24 AM4/14/09
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I am also being inundated by spam, one day I had 171! None of it is
addressed to me, all by named individuals, many from overseas and some
of which, I find unpleasant. I know spam is a fact of life and I
accept that but, if spam is not actually addressed to me then it
should not get into my mail at all. I have other mail accounts and it
does not get in those at all. I enjoy using google mail but this
problem only started when I became a google mail user. I have closed
my google mail account a few times and the problem stopped, then, as
soon as I opened it again, it was back so I feel it has to have
something to do with Google. Yes, Google is filtering it into spam
but, if it is not addressed to me then it should not be there at all.
If 'dictionery spammers' use software to achieve this then why can't
Google find software to block it?

On Apr 9, 2:50 pm, Nick Chirchirillo <nickma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Are they making their way to your Inbox or are they being caught by the spam
> filter?  If they are getting caught, then don't worry about it.  The spam
> filter is doing it's job and catching the spam.  If you don't like seeing
> how many spam messages you have, I believe there is a GMail Lab that will
> hide the unread counts.
>
> If they are getting into your Inbox, then make sure you mark them as spam,
> and soon the filter will learn what you don't like.
>
> Unfortunately, spam is a fact of email, and since GMail is a popular
> service, it's getting targeted by spammers.
>

Ryan Morehart

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Apr 14, 2009, 12:03:21 PM4/14/09
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You are addressed in the BCC, which is why you don't see your name.
Gmail _does_ use software to block it, that's how it ends up in the
"Spam" label instead of your inbox. They simply don't get rid of it
completely because automatic identification of spam is always prone to
failure. Would you rather deal with quickly scanning down a list of
spam and seeing they really are all spam or missing an important email
because Gmail thought it was spam and just deleted it?

Ryan

Sean Murphy

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Apr 14, 2009, 1:06:07 PM4/14/09
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    They could - but then you wold inevitably lose some legitimate emails because no program is perfect. From personal experience, other email providers do lose legitimate emails by blocking them without letting you check if they are really spam.
    If you don't care if you miss some emails, then simply don't look at those labeled spam - they don't count against your total, don't show up in your Inbox label, and get permanently deleted after thirty days, so there is no reason to care about them.


-"Cogito ergo spud. I think therefore I yam."-Popeye

MaggieMeerkat

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Apr 14, 2009, 12:48:46 PM4/14/09
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Ok. I take your point about the blocking. I have just been looking
at the info on blocking and it does not stop it getting in so there is
no point. I am an elderly user and my mailing is restricted to
regular family and business affairs so I would be unlikey to miss
anything of interest. Although I have other accounts which do not
have the 'dictionery' spam problem, Google Mail is my favourite and I
want to continue using it. It does have a lot going for it. I know
the problem is only with Google Mail because when I close my Google
Mail account, the 'dictionery' spam stops. The minute I open it up
again, the problem is back with a vengeance. How did these people get
my e mail address? I notice that on the page which deals with
'Reporting Spam Outside the US' there is no address for UK users! Is
there any way I can get to see the Bcc? Thanks for your help.
> >> -Nick- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

MaggieMeerkat

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Apr 14, 2009, 1:37:24 PM4/14/09
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I did not realise that the spam did not count against my totals
because I found some in 'all mail' so assumed they did but my main
concern was the feeling of 'intrusion' from unwelcome use of my e mail
address in Bcc. Yep! I'm an old geezer and things like that matter
to us. Younger users have grown up with it so just accept it.
Another concern was infection because I very much doubt that the type
of people who stoop to this rubbish are too fussy about infecting
others. Hopefully my security is dealing with it efficiently. Looks
like I will have to 'get real' and take your very good advice to 'not
look at it'.
Many thanks

On Apr 14, 6:06 pm, Sean Murphy <smpara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>     They could - but then you wold inevitably lose some legitimate emails
> because no program is perfect. From personal experience, other email
> providers do lose legitimate emails by blocking them without letting you
> check if they are really spam.
>     If you don't care if you miss some emails, then simply don't look at
> those labeled spam - they don't count against your total, don't show up in
> your Inbox label, and get permanently deleted after thirty days, so there is
> no reason to care about them.
>
> -"Cogito ergo spud. I think therefore I yam."-Popeye
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 09:31, MaggieMeerkat
> <margaretbel...@googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Yes, Google is filtering it into spam
> > but, if it is not addressed to me then it should not be there at all.
> > If  'dictionery spammers' use software to achieve this then why can't
> > Google find software to block it?- Hide quoted text -

Sean Murphy

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Apr 14, 2009, 2:41:27 PM4/14/09
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    It shouldn't be showing in All Mail - those are probably mails that the spam filter missed. When you see that, be sure to click the Report spam button and the filters will get better at distinguishing. And thanks for taking my advice as I meant it and not taking offense - after i had sent it, and after it was too late to recall it, I started to wonder if I expressed myself right, but you clearly understood.
    You are right to be concerned about infection - many spam emails are sent out primarily in order to spread computer infections - but as long as you don't open any spam emails, they can't get an infection to your computer.


-"Cogito ergo spud. I think therefore I yam."-Popeye


Diggi...@gmail.com

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Apr 14, 2009, 5:29:05 PM4/14/09
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I just realized nobody has addressed your question about seeing the
"bcc" -- and no, it's totally private to the sender. Remember back in
the days of carbon copies, the "blind carbon copies"? Those were
bccs, and the only people who ever saw them were the sender and the
recipient. Nobody else knew of the communication, including its main
recipient. Generally the bcc would be typed only on the actual blind
carbon copy and maybe on the copy retained for files. Since the list
is blind, it means that none of the other recipients see your email
address and you don't see theirs. I use bccs all the time and a lot
of people prefer that if I'm mailing to a large group.

On Apr 14, 12:48 pm, MaggieMeerkat <margaretbel...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

Diggi...@gmail.com

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Apr 14, 2009, 5:24:43 PM4/14/09
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Hi Maggie --

I am probably older than you, and my advice to you and all the folks
upset about spam is: get over it. These are not people peering in
your bathroom window and actually seeing you. They are generating
thousands, tens of thousands of email addresses and they don't care
where they go. They only want results.

The advice you have received is wise. If your spam filter catches
them, fine. I clear my spam every day and even if it's not cleared it
has absolutely no effect on my gmail. I just like having it gone. If
something actually winds up in your in-box and it's unfamiliar, delete
it or even better, mark it as spam. If you call it spam from the
outset, your filter will get smarter at deleting stuff like that
without your having to think about it.

Incidentally, though, if you go to some sort of public meeting and are
asked for your email and you give it, you may wind up with email from
village hall or a neighborhood association. Those folks are not
really spammers and should have an option in their email for you to
"unsubscribe." If you are getting mail from a local group, tell them
you don't want it and give them an opportunity to remove you from
their list, before you report them to google. Real spammers don't use
the same email address twice, and being reported to google only gets
them out of your inbox but doesn't put them out of business. But you
can mess up people who are your friends by getting their google
privileges revoked!

Through email you are connected to millions of people around the world
and thousands of libraries' worth of information. If the cost of
having all that at my fingertips is a couple of extra clicks, as I
delete spam, clear private data, and run anti-spyware software, I am
still better off.

On Apr 14, 1:37 pm, MaggieMeerkat <margaretbel...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

Andy

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Apr 15, 2009, 12:31:24 AM4/15/09
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> I know
> the problem is only with Google Mail because when I close my Google
> Mail account, the 'dictionery' spam stops. The minute I open it up
> again, the problem is back with a vengeance.

I wasn't aware that one could close and later re-open one's Google Mail
(Gmail) account. How did you do that?

> How did these people get
> my e mail address?

Lots of ways. They might guess at it, by combining common words and/or
names. Yours, or a friend's, computer might be infected with a virus that
grabs their address book. If you have ever subscribed to an email
newsletter, or used your address with someone you didn't personally know
(like a business website), you increase the chances that someone else may
get and mis-use your address. If you participate in an email list, same
thing. We know the latter is true, because you participated in this one!
17,000 people in this group now have your email address.

"Bcc" info is not transmitted with an email, so you can't see it unless you
are the sender of the email. The "B" means "blind," as in, not visible to
others.

If you are subscribed to this group with email delivery, you are receiving
emails not personally addressed to you. It works similarly to the "Bcc".

Andy


Andy

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Apr 15, 2009, 12:34:07 AM4/15/09
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> labeled spam - they don't count against your total

Actually, I think they do.

But I doubt you could receive enough spam in 30 days to make a blip against
your 7+ GB limit.

Andy


MaggieMeerkat

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Apr 15, 2009, 9:21:24 AM4/15/09
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Many thanks for explaining that so clearly. Of course! What an
idiot I am! I remember carbon copies very well, especially when I
typed a whole big doc and then discovered that I had put the carbon in
the wrong way! I would love to find out how these low lifes got hold
of my e mail address but I guess that is my naive old age too! I
think I will take Sean's very good advice and just ignore them because
if I do not open them then they should not be able to infect me.
Thanks again.

On Apr 14, 10:29 pm, "Diggitt...@gmail.com" <Diggitt...@gmail.com>
wrote:
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Sean Murphy

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Apr 15, 2009, 9:28:34 AM4/15/09
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    If you or any of your friends have ever forwarded one of those chain emails to you and a bunch of other people, that is another method that spammers use to obtain lists of email addresses.


-"Cogito ergo spud. I think therefore I yam."-Popeye


MaggieMeerkat

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Apr 15, 2009, 9:27:43 AM4/15/09
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You are quite right of course and I must try to be a little less
irritated by these things. My main concern was possible infection but
Sean has cleared that one up for me. Many thanks again for your time.

On Apr 14, 10:24 pm, "Diggitt...@gmail.com" <Diggitt...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

MaggieMeerkat

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Apr 15, 2009, 10:02:32 AM4/15/09
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Thanks a lot for explaining all that so clearly. Got it! I am
enjoying this group and have learned quite a bit already because of
the way things are explained.
Yes you can close your G Mail account and re open it later. I have
done it several times:-
Go to Accounts Help>
Scroll to 'Manage Your Google Account>
Click on 'Deleting'
Click on 'Gmail' and follow instructions on screen.
I believe Google keeps your e mails on server for about 60 days after
you delete but I do not know if it 'Archives' them for longer,so you
get them all back if you return but best to print off or save
important stuff just in case. If you open G mail account again, you
will need to reset your security question and answer.
One of my other e mail accounts keeps putting all my new mail into my
'recently deleted' box and when I try to restore' it, it just
disappears completely, but, coming back to Google Mail recently after
time away, I was amused to see that Google Mail had all my missing e
mails safe and sound which was comical because I did not have a G mail
account when the mail went missing.

MaggieMeerkat

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Apr 15, 2009, 10:03:29 AM4/15/09
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You are quite right so I will just stop fussing. Thanks.

MaggieMeerkat

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Apr 15, 2009, 11:15:03 AM4/15/09
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I did have a Face Book invite which I did reply to because it was sent
in the name of a family member, although I did decline. I wonder if
that was the culprit! This nasty spam started shortly after that.
On Apr 15, 2:28 pm, Sean Murphy <smpara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>     If you or any of your friends have ever forwarded one of those chain
> emails to you and a bunch of other people, that is another method that
> spammers use to obtain lists of email addresses.
>
> -"Cogito ergo spud. I think therefore I yam."-Popeye
>

Zack (Doc)

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Apr 15, 2009, 1:03:54 PM4/15/09
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Yes, that is the ONE way it can be done, if you keep your Google
Account but delete the GMail service. The Help Center mentions it
here:
http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=50220
--

Abraham Maslow - &quot;If the only tool you have is a hammer, you
tend to see every problem as a nail.&quot; -
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/851.html

Sean Murphy

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Apr 15, 2009, 1:37:15 PM4/15/09
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    Fascinating - I never knew that. Given the description fo closing and re-opening Gmail, I would hazard a guess that the reason the spam stops when you close the account and resumes when you reopen it is because while the Gmail is temporarily deleted, it can not receive any email from anyone, so no new emails, spam or otherwise, can arrive until you reopen it. since virtually all spam is automatically mailed out, nobody notices or cares when a target email address is invalid.


-"Cogito ergo spud. I think therefore I yam."-Popeye


On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:02, MaggieMeerkat <margare...@googlemail.com> wrote:

MaggieMeerkat

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Apr 16, 2009, 7:30:52 AM4/16/09
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I do have other email accounts which I use with my default mail
address but the sick spam never reaches them at all. It seems to be
my Google Mail address which has been got at. Forgetting the spam for
a sec, I am quite puzzled as to how Gmail gets my messages which are
using my default mail address when the account has been deleted. I
have deleted my Gmail account several times and stayed away for a
while to see if the spam would stop but the very minute my account re-
opens, in it comes again, almost to the minute.

On Apr 15, 6:37 pm, Sean Murphy <smpara...@gmail.com> wrote:
>     Fascinating - I never knew that. Given the description fo closing and
> re-opening Gmail, I would hazard a guess that the reason the spam stops when
> you close the account and resumes when you reopen it is because while the
> Gmail is temporarily deleted, it can not receive any email from anyone, so
> no new emails, spam or otherwise, can arrive until you reopen it. since
> virtually all spam is automatically mailed out, nobody notices or cares when
> a target email address is invalid.
>
> -"Cogito ergo spud. I think therefore I yam."-Popeye
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:02, MaggieMeerkat
> <margaretbel...@googlemail.com>wrote:

Andy

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Apr 16, 2009, 12:50:00 PM4/16/09
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> I
> have deleted my Gmail account several times and stayed away for a
> while to see if the spam would stop but the very minute my account re-
> opens, in it comes again, almost to the minute.

That is probably because the spam never stopped coming.

When your account was closed, those spam messages were being delivered to
Gmail and were probably "bouncing" back to the sender (who ignored them) or
to a nonexistent (fake) sender's address. Either way, the computer sending
the spam doesn't care whether their spam was getting through or not.

When you re-opened your account, the spam, which never really stopped, keeps
on coming and now gets delivered to your account again.

Andy


MaggieMeerkat

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Apr 17, 2009, 10:26:05 AM4/17/09
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I get the picture. These senders certainly appear to be fake but the
content is always related. Judging by the content, whom,or whatever,
is sending them is unaware that I am female! Actually, the rate has
slowed down considerably over the past few days and is not at all
alarming as it was when I first posted.
Thanks again
Maggie
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