Followup 2

[William Meiners]

Hello All,

Jeff:
Thank you for sharing. Great examples of real life experiences. I can relate well with similar types of experiences. It helps when we realize that we are not the only ones.

 As Carolyn shared a few days ago, " It is a lonely feeling out here, my family

doesn't seem to grasp the total picture of what is to come."

Encouragement for Jeff:  You had a success, a partial success, and a failure from which you learned a lot. You have accomplished a lot. So keep you focus balanced. I am reminded of the scripture, "We shall reap if we faint not".

I like Jeff's request:

 "I would be interested to find out if anybody else has a good approach on how to breach the topic with people who are not yet on board."

I will give some of my thoughts in my next email. But first I wanted to do some housekeeping:

Housekeeping:

This group is just starting out. The odds are that it will not last due to lack of participation. However it is very possible that it can be successful. If we want it to here is one thing that we will need to do. I will call it

Group etiquette rule 1

Since we can not see each other and can tell by facial expressions & our eyes who is listening in, we will need to practice other forms of feedback in order to have healthy communication and to know that others are indeed listening in.

So: Everyone that is listening in and wants this group to be successful and continue needs to:

Make themselves known to the group that they are listening in and that they are part of the group. 

This is not difficult. Just a quick reply to a message that says "Thank you" is sufficient. or "I agree" or anything. It can be really short.

Now everybody does not have to reply to every message. If one or two people say Thank you or make a comment on a message that should be sufficient. But just as in normal verbal conversation, we can sense when the conversation is getting quiet and we should say something. The same thing applies here but in a bit different format.

So if you are listening in: Let the group know some how or in some way so that the group can sense how large or how small the group is, and who is listening in and is part of the group.

I feel I have benefited from what has been shared and I think we have potential to accomplish a lot more. So from my perspective, I hope the group continues.

I will share some thoughts on Jeff"s request in my next email. But I thought I would share my email response to Jim Atkisson's post. In it I get a bit off topic and share a little about myself. But in general the email is related to what we are discussing. So if you would like to read it, I have attached it below.

Jim,

 

Thanks for your email.

 

I think it is great what you are doing and especially what you are trying to do. A daunting task. If we can connect and help each other that will be great.

 

You may have picked this up already, but everything I do, I start with God. Without God whatever I do is worthless. And I know it is also extremely impolite to take God for granted. So I try not to do that. We are made in His image and He has the same feelings that we do.

 

The danger with that is, like milk, if you do not keep your relationship with Him fresh, it will turn sour quickly, and talking about God will turn into religion and make people sick.

 

However some people do not even like fresh milk, I hope you do. I will do my best to keep it fresh and I hope we will have a good relationship.

 

There are two things that I would like to share after reading your email.

 

The first is that I wanted to let you know that I do not look on myself as a conservative, or liberal, or independent, or almost any other label. I focus on whatever I see as good, whatever I see as true, and whatever I see as loving. And at times that leaves me as not conservative. And what I have found is that if you do not agree with all of a group’s positions, they typically treat you as an enemy and attack you unfairly.

 

It becomes a war between the different groups. The goal of which many times seems to grow into winning the war and beating (or beating down) the other side. And forgetting that how you fight can be much more important than what you are fighting for.

 

With that in mind, here is a thought I had when first looking at your web site.

 

Using the word “Conservative” in your title,  for all practical purposes will alienate and turn off half or more of your potential audience. Before you say “anything” they already have their walls up and are going to tune you out or start fighting with you.

 

To me one of your goals should be to inform and educate those who are naïve and have been fed faulty reasoning and information by liberals and the media. So if you are trying to reach this group, Even if you get some to stop by and listen in, you already have a steep uphill battle to get to a level playing field before you even share anything - just as a result of having the word “Conservative” in your title.

 

And also what does “conservative” mean. In this generation it may mean one thing and a few years down the road, it may change to mean something different. And to one segment of the population it may mean one thing and to another segment it could mean something entirely different.

 

So, this is my thought, if you drop the word “Conservative” in your title and just go with Freedom “something” or what about "Freedom Journey" you will have a much easier time communicating and winning over some liberals. Which I believe will do more good and accomplish more than just “preaching to the choir” or to a mostly conservative audience.

 

Everybody is for freedom. The only question between Liberals and Conservatives is what that looks like and how to get there. This is where you can fulfill a need in providing clear good direction and information.

 

Those are my thoughts anyway ... hopefully the group will be of help in what you are doing.

 

Bill

 

[john frank]

Hello All,

On a local note I would like to address a current issue that may have more traction with everyone we could speak with, proposing two new bridges in the Louisville area.  What part of stop spending does our local, state and federal elected officials not understand.  They are proposing two new bridges in a economy and a budget that has NO MONEY!  Even though our political system is proposing that tolls of .75 cents to $1.00 will pay for the bridges, I believe the cost of the bridges will financially bury our city and polarize our two communities; Louisville and Southern Indiana.  By mounting a grass roots campaign of emails and letters, directed at the elected officials involved and those that can have impact on the bridges issue, we may be able to get their attention and stop the spending. 

Any thoughts?

Mike

 

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[Cinda Richman]

First thank you, for all that you are doing.

Second I am all most finished with Glen's book "The Seven Wonders That Will Change yor Life" I would recomend it to everyone!

Cinda

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Subject: [GBsupporters:8] Followup 2

[Jeff Tate]

I agree.  The Seven Wonders book was pretty good.  It wasn't a really long book, so anybody can read it over a weekend.

 

I have an idea for this group.  I'm not sure if it will work, but I'll go out on a limb and see if there is any interest.  I am envisioning us getting together in person once to start with, and then maybe monthly after that.  We could maybe meet at a coffee shop and just sit around and chat about Glenn Beck books or the show or just have a good ol' conservative discussion about the country.  It might be useful to have adult conversations with like-minded people and just discuss whatever conservative/constitutional issues are on our minds.

 

I'm not the most outgoing person, so for me to be suggesting this tells you how strongly I feel about our country and the way things are headed.  I don't plan to have any specific agenda for the first meeting (if it even happens).  We can just meet each other and see how the conversation flows.

 

Anyone interested in at least having one meeting and seeing how it goes?

 

Thanks,

Jeff

[Jeff Tate]

Good question.  Let's wait to see how many people are interested.  Our choice of venue would be different for 3-4 people vs. 20-30 people.

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:56 PM, Paul Linney <pli...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 

Hi All

 

Sure, I think it might be an interesting meet-up.

 

When and where?

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[Jeff Tate]

Good suggestions Tim.  Let's wait until next week to give others a chance to reply.  Then we'll start discussing where and when to meet.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Tim Bailey <moneyb...@gmail.com> wrote:

Sounds great to me. The Starbucks at Shelbyville Rd. & Hurstuourne has a small room that we could use provided we buy $30 of merch per 4hours of use. It would accomidate 8-12 people. If we have more several banks hve community rooms that can be used. The Republic Bank on 22 @ The Snyder has large rooms.

 

Tim Bailey

[Paul Linney]

 

Hi All

 

Sure, I think it might be an interesting meet-up.

 

When and where?

 

From: gbsupp...@googlegroups.com [mailto:gbsupp...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Tate
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:06 PM
To: Cinda Richman
Cc: William Meiners; GBsupp...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [GBsupporters:11] Followup 2

 

I agree.  The Seven Wonders book was pretty good.  It wasn't a really long book, so anybody can read it over a weekend.

[Tim Bailey]

Sounds great to me. The Starbucks at Shelbyville Rd. & Hurstuourne has a small room that we could use provided we buy $30 of merch per 4hours of use. It would accomidate 8-12 people. If we have more several banks hve community rooms that can be used. The Republic Bank on 22 @ The Snyder has large rooms.

 

Tim Bailey

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Jeff Tate <je...@tates.net> wrote:

[Tim Bailey]

Hi everyone,

I hope the new year is going well for all. I was just reading Bill's suggestions concerning using the word conservative. My feeling is that The word conservative is not a negative. 

Yes the meaning is different to various groups but I like to think that conservative as another way of saying common sense. I ask all of you to think about the people you know who are conservatives and liberals. I expect that you will find that the conservatives are logical thinkers and realistic problem solvers. The liberals will be more emotional and vague about how to get things done. It is real two different thought patterns. Almost like being right or left handed. So I say don't worry about turning off liberals because you are not going to change them anyway. Only 19% say they are liberals anyway. About 40% of us claim to be conservatives and that leaves 41% who are moderates, independents or whatever they call themselves. The 41% are the ones that swing the pendulum back and forth and those are the ones we need to bring to our side. Our biggest problem is getting out the truth. Glenn is a true patriot for doing this for us who listen to him. How can we get others to listen?

We got into this mess because only about 40% of the people were voting, and many of them were not paying attention! The liberals were focused and were able to get a higher % of their group out and control the elections. We need to get back to having people think that they are Americans first and Republicans, Democrats and Independents last. 

I am not great on quotes but one of my favorites is " The price of freedom is eternal vigilance" .

Have a blessed day!

Tim Bailey

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Cinda Richman <cindar...@yahoo.com> wrote:

[William Meiners]

Communication is a good thing and important so I will get out of my comfort zone and join in and see what happens.

The only thing I ask is that  we ask God to be a part of the get together to guide and help us accomplish something good in His sight. I believe Glenn's first step in getting America back on a good track is for individuals to start with their relationship with God.

The God I know would love to join in and help us. But He is also polite and will not just jump in and participate unless we as individuals and even better as a group invite Him. Not in a religious way but in a warm respectful way just like we would like to be invited.

Without God we can do nothing good. With God there is nothing we can not do. With such a difference in potential results, why do people ignore and take Him for granted? (Just a rhetorical question, no reply necessary)

So everyone who wants to formally invite God to be a part and request His input and help, reply  "Amen!"

Bill Meiners

PS One of the most powerful things we can do as a group is to get comfortable talking with, to, and about the one true God. It can be a little awkward at first but the key to being successful is to remember that God stays far away from the proud but draws near and gives grace to the humble.

[Jeff Tate]

Amen

[William Meiners]

Hello Louisville Area Glenn Beck Supporters,

Thank God for Glenn B. for providing great insight for what is really happening in Egypt and in the world. But also in providing leadership and direction to the common person who wants to be an overcomer of evil and not a victim, as well as being a help and light to the ignorant and innocent. Excellent show on Friday.

I have some time suggestions to meet up:

   A)    Saturday Feb 12 @ 4:30 PM
   B)    Saturday Feb 12 @ 6:00 PM
   C)    Saturday Feb 19 @ 4:30 PM
   D)    Saturday Feb 19 @ 6:00 PM

If I had pick one I would probably go with A or B but could make any of them.

I even have a suggestion for something to talk about and a constructive activity. I have a attached a flyer to this email. It talks about a DVD from ACT (Act for America).

One of the main things Glenn said on Friday was that what we need to do is to educate those around us. Read the flyer. My question is: Do you think this flyer would motivate a person to take the time to watch the DVD? The DVD is down to earth and will give you goose bumps.

Brigitte Gabriel is a great communicator, has a fantastic heart, and has first hand experience. She has been on Glenn Beck, Hannity, and other talk shows.

We could even watch the DVD and discuss it if we meet somewhere where there is a DVD player. (If there is not a large group possibly someone would offer their home to meet in)  It dovetails exactly with what Glenn Beck was talking about on Friday. I obtained some DVD's to pass out but I think it may be a great activity for the group.

Read the flyer and let us know what you think? Also feel free to mark up the flyer if you see anything to make it better or more effective.

Looking forward to meeting each of you,

Bill

Praise to the God who not only made you and me but also loved us perfectly and gave His all to free us and show us the way to eternal life and life more abundantly.