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May 8, 2019, 9:34:43 AM5/8/19
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Hi,
is anyone can help to advice where the family shall stay if they send their child to the detox at wat thamkrabok?

Kieran Conway

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May 8, 2019, 8:28:36 PM5/8/19
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Hi there,

My name is Kieran I am currently at Wat Tham Krabok and can assure you there are places to stay on the main road around 1km from the entrance of the temple here.

There are so real nice places for family to stay and there is a bigger market town very close by also.

I hope this helps.



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Sook Sian Ng

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May 9, 2019, 1:58:17 AM5/9/19
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Thank you Kieran and so nice to get your reply. i am quite anxious if we have make a right decision to send the child which is 17 years old . He is quite young and i am not sure if he can adopt to the environment.
This request came from him which he wanted us to bring him to this center.
i can feel he really want to hope to stay away from drug but on the other hand, i also worry he relapse.  i have told him that there is sajja we have to follow. 
Is the family able to visit him on day 2 or day 3? 

Kieran Conway

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May 9, 2019, 5:26:23 AM5/9/19
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Hi again

Unfortunately I don't think you can see him within the first 3 days and maybe not until detox ends. He will have to sign up for the full 7 day detox and when I was in detox we are kept in a section and no visitors where aloud inside. You can email the centre direct with this question however. I think it may make it harder if you visit before 7 days as maybe want to leave and it is not possible once the detox starts. They allow phone calls after 5th day though at the office. 

I think it's a great idea to do the detox young and take Sajja because addiction is not as set in to the mind you know. Also I would ask him if he would like to stay for a longer period after detox as this is what I am doing. There is a program after the detoxification for Lay people I am on the program now and will stay here until audaination as I will audain in August but if he does not want to be a monk I don't think there would be much problem for him to stay in temple on this program for a month or less if needed more time to cement the Sajja. 

I have no doubt that doing detox and taking Sajja here will give the best possible chance of breaking the cycle of drugs and then remain off them by staying in the moment and always sticking close to the Sajja taken. 

I wish you all the best and I am in at Wat Tham Krabok now for a while so maybe see on arrival or after detox. You should reasure them that's is a great decision and one that will give life back and reduce the suffering to family also. I am sorry I can not answer your question about visits direct only from my own expirience but if you email the address on the website I am sure they can answer directly or you could phone them.

Much love Kieran...

Sook Sian Ng

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May 9, 2019, 11:55:27 PM5/9/19
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HI Kieran,
Appreciate your reply and so glad that i can get advice from you.
I strongly recommended him to stay longer period but kid is always fear of the stranger place. He felt unsecure and does want to commit to stay longer. 
I will book the return ticket for his 3 weeks (he only promised 2 weeks :-() stay. However, i told him i can change air ticket return date anytime. 

We are thinking to send him on 17th May but have few doubts , not sure if we shall post into website or you can assist us?
1.Transport - we will be landing at  Don Mueang International Airport. i dont see it is mentioned in the thamkrabok website on how to get there. Do you know if thamkrabok can do transport arrangement to pick us by paying them?
2. Data plan - are you purchase the data plan from Bangkok or you get your phone roaming?
3. Clothes - is the patient need to bring along daily cloth or they will wear the cloth like shown in the video
4. blanket, pillow 
or we just need to follow the packing list.

Thanks again Kieran and look forward to hear from you. 


Kieran Conway

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May 10, 2019, 12:29:07 AM5/10/19
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Hi again,

He will not need clothing just what he arrives in because the detox patients are given specific clothing to ware during there stay. 

I used a company called well taxi that was the cheapest I could find. You can get app for your phone or simply create account and log in via internet and book the taxi make sure you print it off because the front page you give to your driver. Also the taxi driver will be contactable via whats app and they will send a picture of the car and registration for you to look out for. 

Yes sim cards are available in the airport I found the True SIM to be good price for topping up and the charges for data. I would not roam as this can work out to be much more expensive also it is good to have a Thai phone number while you are in Thailand I think.

Unfortunately the temple don't arrange pickup but I used well taxi you can pay online and the taxi will make contact via whats app when you land so make your way to the gate exit the driver tells you to goto and they will be waiting. Also there are taxi at airport but some can charge more and often on a meter which I think will work out to be much more expensive if you take a different one you would be aiming to pay 2500 bhrt and sometimes need to pay the toll on the road which is very cheap.  

If you wish I can send you the website for well taxi no problem. I found the driver to have good English and was very safe driver as well as good company. The trip from Bangkok is around 2 hours the taxi often has water but not cold so grab some cold drinks at the airport. Also the taxi will stop if you would like to have food on the way which is what I did and it was no problem at all.

Kieran Conway

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Vince Cullen

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May 10, 2019, 6:18:22 AM5/10/19
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Dear All,

I have written some advice and guidance about visiting Wat Thamkrabok at :

http://hungryghostretreats.org/thamkrabok-assistance-and-recovery-advice/

This includes information about transportation from both Suvarnabhumi Airport and Don Mueang Airport to the temple -

http://hungryghostretreats.org/thamkrabok-assistance-and-recovery-advice/directions-to-wat-thamkrabok/ which includes a link to a map with directions in Thai -

http://www.hungryghostretreats.org/Taxi%20Directions%20Bangkok%20Airport%20to%20Thamkrabok%20Temple.pdf

and there is a suggested packing list at -

http://hungryghostretreats.org/thamkrabok-assistance-and-recovery-advice/suggested-packing-list/

I hope this makes your journey easier.

Be well and kind regards.

With Metta,

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The important words here are 'retreat' and 'silent'. 

I can be contacted by telephone, email or Skype at any time but I cannot always answer or reply immediately. Your understanding and patience are appreciated. Thank you!

Sook Sian Ng

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May 10, 2019, 12:23:57 PM5/10/19
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Kieran,
Thank you for being so supportive and sharing the information with so details.

i am a bit worry my nephew will feel isolated or lonely which may make him feel like want to back home soon. 
How is your feeling when you first go thamkrabok?  

Kieran Conway

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May 10, 2019, 8:53:27 PM5/10/19
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Hi

I was feeling quite anxious when I arrived but there was other people in the detox to talk to and who where sharing the same expirience which made it much easier.

There are also monks to talk to and nun also I think he will be fine. I think traveling anywhere can be very daunting especially detox centre but rest assured the people here are very supportive and the Thai people are always having jokes and fun.

Sook Sian Ng

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May 11, 2019, 12:47:38 AM5/11/19
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Kieran,
Thank you very much for your reply. 
I felt more relief after getting advice from you.
Do you think the kid shall go for vaccination before go to detox? he has another 4 days & will go there.

Kieran Conway

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May 11, 2019, 1:45:52 AM5/11/19
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Hi

I am not sure you can ask Doctor but I did not when I came from England. Maybe tetnus if not up to date.

Sook Sian Ng

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May 11, 2019, 9:54:11 AM5/11/19
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Thank you Kieran.
How long you have been in Wat thamkrabok? 

Kieran Conway

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May 11, 2019, 7:45:31 PM5/11/19
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Sook Sian Ng

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May 11, 2019, 10:16:47 PM5/11/19
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Good morning Kieran.
what will the patient do after the 7 or 14 days?. I saw the website said there are chanting & medidation daily.
My nephew does not have fluent english but can understand & talk simple english. I encourage him to talk more when he is there so that he can learn up.

Kieran Conway

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May 11, 2019, 10:44:42 PM5/11/19
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Hi

Chanting is in Pali but small English will be fine. After detox or towards the end he can speak to monk about after. There is a program which I am doing which will keep him active and also has Dharma teachings and also meditation. There is time for study and time alone. 

The most important to get here I think but also he should not worry people here are very patient and nice. There are so many lessons in life and where better to receive teachings than temple is my feeling. Again I am a student here so can't do any applications but for sure my feeling was a more longer period is a better way. I found drugs where just a part of my problem and living in the world is not easy so temple is a great place to work on the self and take refuge.

When he gets signed in there will be opertunity to consider further time after detox. Keeping it simple is a good way and just getting here is a huge thing but also equily rewarding i feel.

Sook Sian Ng

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May 13, 2019, 5:48:59 AM5/13/19
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hi Kieran,
Will i have a chance to say Hello to you when we brought my nephew to Wat Thamkrabok?

Thanks. 

Kieran Conway

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May 14, 2019, 12:10:06 AM5/14/19
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Hi

Yes maybe if you let me know your arrival time I can come say hello. Maybe not possible for me to speak with your nephew as he will be busy doing admission and it's a set schedule they keep and I don't want to get in the way of the process.

He will be in great hands as I have said the people here have been welcoming people for a very long time and I can't think of a better place to be in such times.

Sook Sian Ng

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May 14, 2019, 9:09:30 AM5/14/19
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Hi Kieran,
I just realized that a multi entry visa is required if need to stay longer than 28 days. Did you apply multiple entry visa to Thailand before you departed?  

I encouraged my nephew to mix around when he is there and also reminded him to respect monk & nun when asked to do work.Hopefully he will change.
I am feeling grateful for all the advice & sharing you gave. You advice & sharing does relief my anxious and worry. 
I will to drop a message to you after my nephew complete admission and before i leave wat thamkrabak.  Incase i dont have opportunity to meet you , thanks again for everything and it is a rewarding to know you. 

SS  




Kieran Conway

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May 14, 2019, 11:48:59 AM5/14/19
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If you get a 60 day visa it is then possible to extend in a local city Saraburi by another 30 days. I also believe it is possible to simply come into Thailand get the normal 30 day visa and this can be extended again in Saraburi for a fee by an extra 30 days.

I got a 60 day visa while in England and it was no problem for me to extend it by a further 30 days in local city Saraburi when I need further extension I simply cross border and make a new visa which is possible for you too. I would strongly suggest getting the 60 day visa in your home country before travel but if not possible please check with local Thai visa office that it is possible to extend the standard 30 day visa.

It's no problem I hope i helped in some way...

Sook Sian Ng

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May 15, 2019, 9:04:26 AM5/15/19
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Thanks Kieran. 
It is too rush to apply visa as near to depart date. Will see how it go later.

Sook Sian Ng

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May 17, 2019, 5:42:22 AM5/17/19
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Kieran,
We check in hotel today as too late to travel to Wat thamkrabok. I have dropped a mail to Mae Shee. Hopefully it is not a problem to go there tomorrow.
Thanks

Kieran Conway

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May 17, 2019, 6:09:34 AM5/17/19
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Hi

Ok that's great you can have a trip round the temple maybe in tuck tuck so you can look etc if not tomorrow will be fine. Make sure office is open Saturdays.

Sook Sian Ng

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May 18, 2019, 3:53:17 AM5/18/19
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Kieran,
I am done with my nephew admission. I am in the office now.

Sook Sian Ng

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May 18, 2019, 4:40:29 AM5/18/19
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Kieran,
I am leaving now. Nice place.

Thank you very much.

Kieran Conway

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Kieran Conway

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Sook Sian Ng

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May 18, 2019, 8:29:30 AM5/18/19
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No worries, Kieran. All the best wishes on your journey.

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