Really pretty solid overview of how forestry affects C sequestration - from CRS

[Mary Booth]

See attached. I think this is a reasonably comrehensive review, though it mostly concludes, for questions of C sequestration from logging, leakage, etc, "It Depends".

 

Mary

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[Tim Fohl]

I realize that there are withdrawal pains but we should brace ourselves for the the fact that carbon is no big deal. The globe is not warming at the moment and when it was CO2 probably was not the primary cause. Warming or cooling has been going on, sometimes drastically, for billions of years. Somehow the biosphere endures. The trivial amounts that are being discussed now would have negligible effect as one can plainly see by driving a few miles south. As is now emerging, the so called scientific predictions of the effects of warming are purely made up.

Best,

Tim Fohl

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[Tim Fohl]

Re my last rant check out this article in the Christian Science Monitor

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0212/Snow-in-all-50-states-New-storm-could-make-that-true.

I will leave it to Time Magazine to explain why a cold spell is really a heat wave.

Best,

Tim

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[Joseph Zorzin]

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tim Fohl

To: forest-futures-advisor...@googlegroups.com

Cc: forestfutur...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:05 AM

Subject: Re: Really pretty solid overview of how forestry affects C sequestration - from CRS

I realize that there are withdrawal pains but we should brace ourselves for the the fact that carbon is no big deal. The globe is not warming at the moment and when it was CO2 probably was not the primary cause. Warming or cooling has been going on, sometimes drastically, for billions of years. Somehow the biosphere endures. The trivial amounts that are being discussed now would have negligible effect as one can plainly see by driving a few miles south. As is now emerging, the so called scientific predictions of the effects of warming are purely made up.

Best,

Tim Fohl

 

We should also realize that the world is really flat and that the Earth is only 4,500 years old.

 

And, we should trust our governments, especially our DCR. When it says the following things, we must believe it.

• FSC certification will ensure quality forest mgt.
• we must utterly destroy forests to bring back all the little creatures that love such a habitat
• reserves are bad- by having reserves we shall be guilty of destroying the rain forests, sawmills will go out of business, and towns with lots of state land will go broke not getting their $100/year in PILOT payments
• the beavers ate the filter strip at Chester/Blandford State Forest
• all the stumps along the trail that Nan's Friend's group built were from dead trees
• individual tree selection is impossible- nobody does it, it shall be verboten
• clearcutting is the salvation of the world
• Mass. has the finest forestry program in the galaxy
• the Stewardship Council thoroughly understood the western Mass. regional plans before approving them
• red pine is not native to Massachusetts and Norway Spruce is invasive
• cutting over 300,000 board feet in Robinson State Park would have made it a much better park
• that vernal pool in the middle of a clearcut in Windsor State Park is not a vernal pool
• requiring licensed foresters to prepare cutting plans is a revolutionary act against industry
• it is forbidden for licensed foresters to criticize Chief Foresters or they may lose their license
• all those briers in the 50 acre clearcut in Oct. Mt. State Forest are really trees regenerating the site
• we must continually beat down the forests in the Quabbin to train them properly for the hurricane that will come 3 times per millennium
• the Quabbin is not really part of the DCR so any discussion of it by the Vision Process is verbotten
• Mike Ryan's Friends Group being evicted from that tiny office in that state forest had nothing to do with Mike's opposition to DCR policies
• public discussions of the Vision Process shall be carried out like kindergarten discussions in circles, not like town hall meetings for adults

Joe

[Mary Booth]

Joe, you missed a couple!

 

Photos of mass destruction at cutting sites were photoshopped

Clearcutting improves water quality

Clearcutting encourages regeneration

Clearcutting doesn’t create deer and moose habitat

Clearcutting improves regeneration and doesn’t invite in invasive species

Logging enhances all kinds of ecosystem services

The forest “needs” to be managed

The wood products industry in MA is on the skids because of cutting restrictions

 

Whew, this is too much fun, I need a breather!

 

Mary

[Joseph Zorzin]

ayup! I must slap myself a few times for not remembering such important stuff!

 

this stuff must be taught in forestry schools, if not already.... the young foresters must learn correct dogma! Otherwise, how will they fight off those commy pinko gay tree huggers who want to destroy the American Empire and who vote for LIB-ruls and don't listen to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck?

 

Joe

[Mary Booth]

 

Yeah, and I actually forgot the most important one of all: that the uneducated public is the problem, and if they could only be made to understand, they, too, would appreciate how beautiful those clearcuts on their taxpayer funded public forests really are!

[Tim Fohl]

You missed the biggest one of all: the space program is a carefully orchestrated plot to keep people from realizing that the Earth is, in fact, flat and that they are underneath tinkering with the petroleum supply.

Cheers!

Tim Fohl

[fr...@heyesforest.com]

> no actually mary you forgot the most important...
that you promised to come walk with me and see why
i love my forests...and why i manage them the way we do////

open up mary, time for a walk//

fred

Yeah, and I actually forgot the most important one of all: *that the
> uneducated public is the problem*, and if they could only be made to *
> understand*, they, too, would appreciate how beautiful those clearcuts on

> their taxpayer funded public forests really are!
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Joseph Zorzin
> <jjzo...@verizon.net>wrote:
>
>> ayup! I must slap myself a few times for not remembering such important
>> stuff!
>>
>> this stuff must be taught in forestry schools, if not already.... the
>> young
>> foresters must learn correct dogma! Otherwise, how will they fight off
>> those
>> commy pinko gay tree huggers who want to destroy the American Empire and
>> who
>> vote for LIB-ruls and don't listen to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck?
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----

>> *From:* Mary Booth <mbo...@massenvironmentalenergy.org>
>> *To:* forestfutur...@googlegroups.com
>> *Cc:* TSC <forest-futures-techni...@googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2010 10:43 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: Really pretty solid overview of how forestry affects

>> Csequestration - from CRS
>>
>> Joe, you missed a couple!
>>
>>
>>
>> Photos of mass destruction at cutting sites were photoshopped
>>
>> Clearcutting improves water quality
>>
>> Clearcutting encourages regeneration
>>
>> Clearcutting doesn�t create deer and moose habitat
>>
>> Clearcutting improves regeneration and doesn�t invite in invasive
>> species
>>
>> Logging enhances all kinds of ecosystem services
>>
>> The forest �needs� to be managed
>>
>> The wood products industry in MA is on the skids because of cutting
>> restrictions
>>
>>
>>
>> Whew, this is too much fun, I need a breather!
>>
>> Mary
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Joseph Zorzin
>> <jjzo...@verizon.net>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----

>>> *From:* Tim Fohl <tf...@tigco.com>
>>> *To:* forest-futures-advisor...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Cc:* forestfutur...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:05 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: Really pretty solid overview of how forestry affects C

>>> sequestration - from CRS
>>>
>>> I realize that there are withdrawal pains but we should brace ourselves
>>> for the the fact that carbon is no big deal. The globe is not warming
>>> at the
>>> moment and when it was CO2 probably was not the primary cause. Warming
>>> or
>>> cooling has been going on, sometimes drastically, for billions of
>>> years.
>>> Somehow the biosphere endures. The trivial amounts that are being
>>> discussed
>>> now would have negligible effect as one can plainly see by driving a
>>> few
>>> miles south. As is now emerging, the so called scientific predictions
>>> of the
>>> effects of warming are purely made up.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Tim Fohl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We should also realize that the world is really flat and that the
>>> Earth
>>> is only 4,500 years old.
>>>
>>> And, we should trust our governments, especially our DCR. When it says
>>> the
>>> following things, we must believe it.
>>>

>>> - FSC certification will ensure quality forest mgt.
>>> - we must utterly destroy forests to bring back all the little

>>> creatures that love such a habitat

>>> - reserves are bad- by having reserves we shall be guilty of

>>> destroying the rain forests, sawmills will go out of business, and
>>> towns
>>> with lots of state land will go broke not getting their $100/year in
>>> PILOT
>>> payments

>>> - the beavers ate the filter strip at Chester/Blandford State Forest
>>> - all the stumps along the trail that Nan's Friend's group built
>>> were
>>> from dead trees
>>> - individual tree selection is impossible- nobody does it, it shall
>>> be
>>> verboten
>>> - clearcutting is the salvation of the world
>>> - Mass. has the finest forestry program in the galaxy
>>> - the Stewardship Council thoroughly understood the western Mass.

>>> regional plans before approving them

>>> - red pine is not native to Massachusetts and Norway Spruce is
>>> invasive
>>> - cutting over 300,000 board feet in Robinson State Park would have

>>> made it a much better park

>>> - that vernal pool in the middle of a clearcut in Windsor State Park

>>> is not a vernal pool

>>> - requiring licensed foresters to prepare cutting plans is a
>>> revolutionary act against industry
>>> - it is forbidden for licensed foresters to criticize Chief

>>> Foresters
>>> or they may lose their license

>>> - all those briers in the 50 acre clearcut in Oct. Mt. State Forest

>>> are really trees regenerating the site

>>> - we must continually beat down the forests in the Quabbin to train

>>> them properly for the hurricane that will come 3 times per
>>> millennium

>>> - the Quabbin is not really part of the DCR so any discussion of it

>>> by
>>> the Vision Process is verbotten

>>> - Mike Ryan's Friends Group being evicted from that tiny office in

>>> that state forest had nothing to do with Mike's opposition to DCR
>>> policies

>>> - public discussions of the Vision Process shall be carried out like

[Joseph Zorzin]

I walked some of Fred's forests, once without him on the north side of Tully Mt. in Orange as the Tully Trail goes through it. And, once with Fred and Chris Matera and Dave Gafney on other land he has in North Orange. I was very impressed with what I saw. It was some of the best work I've ever seen.

 

But, that sort of excellent work is not the norm. If it was, we wouldn't be needing a vision process.

 

Perhaps Fred could tell us why such good work is not the norm. I have my theories but I'm interested in Fred's.

[Mary Booth]

Fred, I'm always up for hiking around and looking at forestry practices....

 

But I like Joe's question because I think it goes to the heart of the matter - why isn't quality work the norm?

 

Mary

[fred heyes]

and that will be a great walking topic

 

f

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[Alexandra]

Joe:  You forgot that black locus is an exotic non-native plant because it comes from Pennsylvania. alexandra

[Dave Gafney]

You also forgot, Joe, to mention that global warming is a scary liberal plot to frighten real Americans that listen to Rush Limbaugh.