Fwd: spikelets on B. lako and Chris Stapleton's Response

[Doug Perry]

Hi folks,
See Chris' response below to my photos.  These photos, once uploaded, are free to use but please give credit if possible to the Sarasota Bamboo Society or at least state the bamboo's location for posterity.
-doug



Hi Doug

Thanks for the pictures. B lako has been flowering sporadically in
the US and also Australia. Betty Shor keeps great flowering records,
and its flowering has been discussed in various places, eg there was
mention of this on the forum of  the Bamboo Soc of Australia.

http://www.bamboo.org.au/community/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Item
id=18&func=view&catid=13&id=26

This seems to be a result of stress in this species, and apparently
not a precursor of gregarious flowering, but who knows what is around
the corner... So far viable seed has not been produced, and seed
marketed as B lako looks to have been 'misidentified' somewhere along
the supply chain.

I collected flowers from the Quail clump in 2002, and interestingly
they confirmed its identity as Bambusa rather than Gigantochloa, as
the stamens are separate - their filaments are not fused together
into a tube as seen in Gigantochloa, which is how that genus is
currently defined. You should be able to check the separate filaments
yourself from your own spikelets.

So contrary to what you may read in Wikipedia, based on the findings
of Loh et al (2000)
http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/reprint/85/5/607
this species is not very likely to move into Gigantochloa.

Feel free to post this reply to your group

Best wishes
Chris

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From: Doug Perry <dougla...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:38 PM
Subject: spikelets
To: Ch...@bamboo-identification.co.uk


Chris,
I live in Florida and just started a local bamboo society.  My Bambusa lako has been under some stress and recently has developed spikelets.  This is the second time this has happened in a year.  I'm about to post this photo to a local group, but I thought you might have something to say about it.
Thanks for such a great website!

-Doug Perry



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[Roy Rogers]

Doug,

I’ve to the same thing here with B. lako.  If I keep taking divisions off of a potted mother plant of B. lako,  then the mother plant starts flowering.  Never have seen any hard seed and the new divisions don’t produce any flowers.  So, stress related it what seems to be the logical choice.



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Roy Rogers

Tampa, Fl 33614-4227

 

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From: Doug Perry <dougla...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "Fl.boo@Google" <Florida...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:32:22 -0400
To: "Fl.boo@Google" <Florida...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [Florida-Bamboo] Fwd: spikelets on B. lako and Chris Stapleton's Response

Hi folks,
See Chris' response below to my photos.  These photos, once uploaded, are free to use but please give credit if possible to the Sarasota Bamboo Society or at least state the bamboo's location for posterity.
-doug



Hi Doug

Thanks for the pictures. B lako has been flowering sporadically in
the US and also Australia. Betty Shor keeps great flowering records,
and its flowering has been discussed in various places, eg there was
mention of this on the forum of  the Bamboo Soc of Australia.

http://www.bamboo.org.au/community/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Item

id=18&func=view&catid=13&id=26 <http://www.bamboo.org.au/community/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=18&func=view&catid=13&id=26>

I live in Florida and just started a local bamboo society <http://www.sarasotabamboo.org> .  My Bambusa lako has been under some stress and recently has developed spikelets.  This is the second time this has happened in a year.  I'm about to post this photo to a local group, but I thought you might have something to say about it.

[Chuck]

More flowering info.............

 

My B. lako has been stress flowering for a few years many times

when I do cuttings, but none in the ground (yet?). 

 

My D. minor a. has been flowering in containers also  for a year or two,

but................

I noticed yesterday, after a heads up from Richard Linburg in JAX,

that my plants in the ground are starting to flower, as are his.

Most of 2 to 3 yr old canes are in flower and the plants are still shooting

vigorously at the moment.  Last year's canes seem not to be affected yet.

I have had viable D. minor seeds from the container flowerings, but quickly turn white and die

after about 3 inches of growth.

 

My B. ventricosa seems to always be in flower for the past couple of years

with no damage until this year.  I am now starting to loose some  ventricosa container plants.

No viable seeds from the B. ventricosa have been noted.

 

I also have some container flowering B. tuldoides that have viable seeds that had produced plants last year.

 

Chuck,   Bountiful Earth........

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From: Doug Perry

To: Florida...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:32 PM

Subject: [Florida-Bamboo] Fwd: spikelets on B. lako and Chris Stapleton's Response

[Doug Perry]

Photos are always welcome! :)

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[hermine]

  I am now starting to loose some  ventricosa container plants.
No viable seeds from the B. ventricosa have been noted.

Oh good!

 
I also have some container flowering B. tuldoides that have viable seeds that had produced plants last year.
 
Chuck,

I thot lately that the thing called ventricosa which was known as buddhas belly WAS tuldoides.

hermine

[Roy Rogers]

From: hermine stover <her...@endangeredspecies.com>
Reply-To: "Fl.boo@Google" <Florida...@googlegroups.com>

I thot lately that the thing called ventricosa which was known as buddhas belly WAS tuldoides.

hermine

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Hermine,


The ventricosa/tuldoides issue was settled a few years ago and Big Mouth was right.


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Roy Rogers (Tampa, Florida, USA)

[Chuck]

This ventricosa is the one with many bellies and nothing like my

B. tuldodies in any way.....habit or appearance.

I also have some B. ventricosa that doesn't belly

which I originally got from Craig at Kanapaha Gardens.

We swapped.  Craig said at the time, that he couldn't get

his ventricosa to belly and I couldn't get mine to stop.

His still haven't bellied after about 5 years and my original

plants still have bellies.

People have told me that they are two different types.

The later, shares some, but not all B. tuldoides traits and

is not in flower at the moment.  I try to report from observation

and have no taxonomy expertise.  I had all kinds of odd stuff

happening this year with the bamboo that I haven't seen.  I suppose some

is from 2 hard freezes in 3 weeks and then an 8 week drought and then 20 inches of

rain in one week, yes...20".   My ground has been soaked most of the

Summer.  My boo is very confused at the moment and doesn't seem to know what

to do with what Nature has tossed at it this year.

 

Chuck

 

 

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From: hermine

To: Florida...@googlegroups.com

[hermine]

The ventricosa/tuldoides issue was settled a few years ago and Big Mouth was right.


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Roy Rogers (Tampa, Florida, USA)

(laughter)

herm

[Roy Rogers]

From: hermine stover <her...@endangeredspecies.com>
Reply-To: "Fl.boo@Google" <Florida...@googlegroups.com>

(laughter)

herm

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Hermine,

Glad I was able to make you chuckle on that one.

Big Mouth,
Tampa, Fl

[Chuck]

Ok then?

 

 

What was the settlement??

 

Chuck

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From: hermine

To: Florida...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:05 PM

Subject: [Florida-Bamboo] Re: Fwd: spikelets on B. lako and Chris Stapleton's Response

(laughter)

herm

[Roy Rogers]

That they are 2 separate plants.  The screwup came when collecting flowers, somewhere along the line, from the field to the lab, are mixup came about and that’s how the controvery.  Of course, the whole mixup was blamed on assistants.

That is my understanding as to how it originally happened.

Roy

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From: Chuck <hw...@mindspring.com>
Reply-To: "Fl.boo@Google" <Florida...@googlegroups.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:20:43 -0400
To: "Fl.boo@Google" <Florida...@googlegroups.com>

Subject: [Florida-Bamboo] Re: Fwd: spikelets on B. lako and Chris Stapleton's Response

Ok then?

 
What was the settlement??

Chuck

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From:  hermine <mailto:her...@endangeredspecies.com>  
 
To: Florida...@googlegroups.com  
 
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:05  PM
 
Subject: [Florida-Bamboo] Re: Fwd:  spikelets on B. lako and Chris Stapleton's Response
 

 

[Chuck]

Roy........thanks

 

I'm assuming "big mouth" is Joe Biden.

I didn't realize he was a boo enthusiast.

 

You say two separate plants or three?

B ventricosa belly, non-belly and B tuldoidies

or are the B. ventricosa's the same, although in the

same environment here, they still perform differently.

 

I also want to share a couple of other observations.

 

FYI,  ABS also has the B longispiculata as a thin wall plant and then

proceed to say it is sold as B. tulda 'Striata' (a thick walled plant)

I got my original B longispiculata from Bamboo Sourcery about

6 years ago and asked them recently about this dilemma.

They got their plant in 1990 and assured me that mine is indeed

a B longispiculata as is theirs with the same habit.

I tend to trust their judgment on this.

My actual B longispiculata is almost solid walled.

I wish the list could be straightened out a bit.

By the way, both B longispiculata and B. tulda 'Striata'

(listed as a 30 degree plant), took 24 degrees without skipping a beat.

As you know, I did a New Smyrna cold hardy report on many of these

varieties after our double hard freeze this Winter.

I observe...........I report. 

 

Are your D. minor flowering yet?

I'm thinking this is a stress event from the

weird weather here this year but from the amount

of flowering on my plants, it may be the start of something larger. 

Are there any reports from other parts of the country?

 

I have other plants that seem to be reverting or changing.

My B. glaucophylla for example, has some new branch growth that

has lost all stripes on leaves and they are about 10 times

wider than the old growth.  The new leaves are larger than

B. Oldhamii  leaves and just as green.  The horticulturist

from University of North Florida happened to be here a couple of

weeks ago and hasn't observed anything like it.  This is on more

than one plant of this type in containers.  I also have a Doli green stripe

that now looks more like a B. emeiensis 'Viridivitta' (not a mix up)

New young shoots favor the Doli type but have not developed enough

to show color of green with yellow stripes.  Could this be some kind

of "inversa" happening?

 

Hope all is well and green in Tampa,

[hermine]

At 04:12 AM 8/6/2009, you wrote:

That they are 2 separate plants.  The screwup came when collecting flowers, somewhere along the line, from the field to the lab, are mixup came about and that’s how the controvery.  Of course, the whole mixup was blamed on assistants.

And this is why we never have assistants, only androids.

hermine

[Roy Rogers]

Chuck,

2 separate plants.  Bambusa tuldoides  and Bambusa ventricosa (bellying and not bellying is environmental)

>By the way, both B longispiculata and B. tulda 'Striata'

>(listed as a 30 degree plant), took 24 degrees without skipping a beat.

Speaking of B. tulda 'Striata', look at this thread:
http://bambooweb.info/bb/viewtopic.php?p=33469#p33469

>Are your D. minor flowering yet?

Off and on in my pots..  No seeds.  I think it’s stress related.

>I have other plants that seem to be reverting or changing.

The only problem I have is Bambusa emeiensis 'Viridiflavus' won’t produce the striping unless grown in the sun.

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Roy Rogers (Tampa, Florida, USA)

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From: Chuck <hw...@mindspring.com>
Reply-To: "Fl.boo@Google" <Florida...@googlegroups.com>

Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:45:59 -0400

To: "Fl.boo@Google" <Florida...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [Florida-Bamboo] Re: Fwd: spikelets on B. lako and Chris Stapleton's Response

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[hermine]

At 07:45 AM 8/6/2009, you wrote:

Roy........thanks
 
I'm assuming "big mouth" is Joe Biden.
I didn't realize he was a boo enthusiast.

I thought I was BIG MOUTH.

hermine
or possibly I am Deep Throat