What's Up With AvC?

[hucktunes]

There hasn't been a post since 4:09 pm and it says I don't have
permission to post. Has somebody complained to Google about the
group's content in order to close it down?

[dead kennedy]

starting to wonder that myself, just noticed its not on "my groups"

[dead kennedy]

oh, now its back

On 19 May, 07:35, hucktunes <bob.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Trance Gemini]

We were marked as a Spam Group for some reason without any explanation from Google.

I, personally suspect someone reported us as a Spam Group (there's a link on the Home Page where you can report a group to Google Abuse).

Everything probably happened automatically from that point.

Google really should have a system where someone actually checks the Group before shutting it down.

There are just way too many malicious people out there who pull stunts like this.

It can take as long as a week to get re-activated so we were very lucky to have been re-activated so quickly.

--
“You can safely assume you have created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates the same people you do.” --Annie Lamott (paraphrased)

[hucktunes]

I posted the problem in a group which shall remain unnamed and a guy
named denmark replied saying that he cleared the group.

On May 19, 5:49 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We were marked as a Spam Group for some reason without any explanation from
> Google.
>
> I, personally suspect someone reported us as a Spam Group (there's a link on
> the Home Page where you can report a group to Google Abuse).
>
> Everything probably happened automatically from that point.
>
> Google really should have a system where someone actually checks the Group
> before shutting it down.
>
> There are just way too many malicious people out there who pull stunts like
> this.
>
> It can take as long as a week to get re-activated so we were very lucky to
> have been re-activated so quickly.
>
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 4:37 AM, dead kennedy

> <dead.kenne...@googlemail.com>wrote:

[hucktunes]

I still don't have permission to post.

[hucktunes]

I've posted in that group again that it closed again at 8:20 this
morning.

[Trance Gemini]

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:11 PM, hucktunes <bob....@gmail.com> wrote:

I posted the problem in a group which shall remain unnamed and a guy
named denmark replied saying that he cleared the group.

How did he do that?
 

[Trance Gemini]

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:11 PM, hucktunes <bob....@gmail.com> wrote:

I posted the problem in a group which shall remain unnamed and a guy
named denmark replied saying that he cleared the group.

How did he do that?

Sorry Huck I'm not following.
 

[hucktunes]

I'm a Top Contributor in a couple of help groups and belong to some TC
groups, one of which is a group for TCs and employees from all the
Google services. I see that Denmark is the employee in charge of the
Google Groups service. Hopefully he'll see my post in the umbrella
group, which shall remain nameless, and unlock the group again soon.

On May 19, 10:27 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:

[hucktunes]

Here's a post I made in the Google Groups group that explains why the
group was shut down:

On May 19, 10:38 am, hucktunes wrote:
> Google takes spam in groups very seriously because the links to spam
> sites get archived and ranked in search results. They need to rely on
> reports from users in order to stay on top of the problem. I've
> reported many posts as spam myself through the years. Unfortunately
> this system based on honesty and trust can be abused by disgruntled
> group members that may have an axe to grind. Hopefully a Google
> employee will take notice of this thread and unlock the group again.

The problem is that some groups are started and are abandoned because
of lack of interest. These abandoned groups become a hotbed for spam
that is not moderated because the owners no longer bother moderating
the posts. The spam links will get crawled and ranked by the search
bots if the posts are not removed or the group deleted. But have no
fear, the group should be back in business shortly.

On May 19, 10:27 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:

[Trance Gemini]

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:07 PM, hucktunes <bob....@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm a Top Contributor in a couple of help groups and belong to some TC
groups, one of which is a group for TCs and employees from all the
Google services. I see that Denmark is the employee in charge of the
Google Groups service. Hopefully he'll see my post in the umbrella
group, which shall remain nameless, and unlock the group again soon.

Thanks Huck. Anything you can do to facilitate this will be greatly appreciated by All!
 

[Trance Gemini]

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:22 PM, hucktunes <bob....@gmail.com> wrote:

Here's a post I made in the Google Groups group that explains why the
group was shut down:

On May 19, 10:38 am, hucktunes wrote:
> Google takes spam in groups very seriously because the links to spam
> sites get archived and ranked in search results. They need to rely on
> reports from users in order to stay on top of the problem. I've
> reported many posts as spam myself through the years. Unfortunately
> this system based on honesty and trust can be abused by disgruntled
> group members that may have an axe to grind. Hopefully a Google
> employee will take notice of this thread and unlock the group again.

The problem is that some groups are started and are abandoned because
of lack of interest. These abandoned groups become a hotbed for spam
that is not moderated because the owners no longer bother moderating
the posts. The spam links will get crawled and ranked by the search
bots if the posts are not removed or the group deleted. But have no
fear, the group should be back in business shortly.

Thanks Huck!!!

Maybe you could suggest that they have a method of verifying a Spam complaint before shutting down the group. :-)

Anyway, really appreciate this!

[hucktunes]

I've been suggesting that they not dump Pages in favor of Sites. I've
complained about deleting help group archives as groups are moved to
the new forum format. I've learned that the squeaky wheel doesn't get
the grease. I'm pretty much marginalized as a helper these days. But
I'm confident that the group will be unlocked soon.

On May 19, 11:36 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Trance Gemini]

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 2:49 PM, hucktunes <bob....@gmail.com> wrote:

I've been suggesting that they not dump Pages in favor of Sites. I've
complained about deleting help group archives as groups are moved to
the new forum format. I've learned that the squeaky wheel doesn't get
the grease. I'm pretty much marginalized as a helper these days. But
I'm confident that the group will be unlocked soon.

That's okay. What you're doing for us is great.

We think we got tagged because of the occasional Spam in Files and Pages.

Which is kind of ridiculous because we clean that out daily sometimes several times a day.

I know because I'm the one that does the bulk of it.

Nothing stays there for more than a couple of hours and usually gets canned pretty quickly.

Maybe it's that combined with malicious complaints?

At any rate, Pages and Files will be staying under Management Control for a while just to see what happens.
 

[hucktunes]

The occasional spam won't get you tagged. It takes a report to get it
tagged. Somebody reporting that a group is being used to post spam.
There's nothing to stop a spammer from creating a group just for the
sole purpose of`posting links. It's a big problem for Google because
they certainly don't want to get a reputation for censoring content
willy nilly. They are in the business of Page ranking search results
and their reputation for honesty is primary for the rates they charge
to advertisers. I thought for sure the group would be unlocked by now.

On May 19, 11:53 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Trance Gemini]

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:58 PM, hucktunes <bob....@gmail.com> wrote:

The occasional spam won't get you tagged. It takes a report to get it
tagged. Somebody reporting that a group is being used to post spam.
There's nothing to stop a spammer from creating a group just for the
sole purpose of`posting links. It's a big problem for Google because
they certainly don't want to get a reputation for censoring content
willy nilly. They are in the business of Page ranking search results
and their reputation for honesty is primary for the rates they charge
to advertisers. I thought for sure the group would be unlocked by now.

If you check out thetard's post on the Mod Board my guess is that they are complaining continuously.

Now the liars are accusing me of trying to sabotage their board.

This is a typical strategy of sickos like this.

First they sabotage you, then they accuse you of sabotaging them.

Unbelievable!
 

[Trance Gemini]

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Trance Gemini <trance...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 5:58 PM, hucktunes <bob....@gmail.com> wrote:

The occasional spam won't get you tagged. It takes a report to get it
tagged. Somebody reporting that a group is being used to post spam.
There's nothing to stop a spammer from creating a group just for the
sole purpose of`posting links. It's a big problem for Google because
they certainly don't want to get a reputation for censoring content
willy nilly. They are in the business of Page ranking search results
and their reputation for honesty is primary for the rates they charge
to advertisers. I thought for sure the group would be unlocked by now.

If you check out thetard's post on the Mod Board my guess is that they are complaining continuously.

Now the liars are accusing me of trying to sabotage their board.

This is a typical strategy of sickos like this.

First they sabotage you, then they accuse you of sabotaging them.

Unbelievable!

And all this because XNun is so pathetic she can't get her own group going.
 

[TLC]

Trance,

Noticed no new posts here. Just posting to see if this group has
also not been closed.

On 19 May, 23:17, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com>wrote:

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[Trance Gemini]

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 6:01 AM, TLC <tlc.t...@googlemail.com> wrote:

Trance,

Noticed no new posts here.   Just posting to see if this group has
also not been closed.

No we're okay here.

We're just a smaller group so the posting isn't as heavy as it is at AvC.
 

[hucktunes]

I've just reposted about it in the umbrella group again, bumped the
thread.

On May 20, 3:46 am, Trance Gemini <trancegemi...@gmail.com> wrote: