I am not sure how I am about being a part of a group where there is no
attachment to outcome. That seems like what VMA is all about,
particularly the aims part. Or is the no outcomes a description of a
meeting process? I am pretty much in a process of making decisions
from intentions about how I use my time and what purposes are served
by my group affiliations from a place of deep connection to needs and
their big brothers which some call care values (needs that have some
sort of permanence over time). I am not very attracted to being in
meetings where there is no focus about outcome or purpose. I only
really enjoy processing in situations in which the participants are
focused on either an exploration of needs and needs consciousness or
there is some clear purpose. I do not enjoy sitting around with "an
endless stream of hearing every one's exploration" (jackal mixed in).
The move to a consent round with the standard being no paramount
objection is the part of sociocracy that excites and motivates me in
all kinds of groups. Fixing the outcome so that it does not have room
for flexibilty and evolution is unatractive to me. And in that I do
not enjoy meetings with predetermined outcomes, of course. The way I
read the description of OST sounds like something that I would not
enjoy.
I am unwilling to go to the sources about what is done with the past.
I am mindful of the preciousness of time.
So, I will wait and see what others come up with as the VMA and then I
will either give my input or choose not to participate. How does that
land with you Susan or others?
On Jun 13, 8:03 am, Susan L <
su...@propeace.net> wrote:
> What I posted about OST was my attempt at an NVC "spin" on the
> Wikipedia article. I was among those who were excited about
> sociocracy; however, several factors mitigated against the success of
> that model for this group. Here (in no particular order) are the ones
> I believe were key:
> 1. rejection by GCC/CNVC of the double link
> 2. the fact that this group is a collection of volunteers with no
> presence in the marketplace
> 3. the longing of many of us to step out of hierarchical organization
>
> The key point in the OST document that I posted is that there is no
> attachment to outcome; in the words of the Wikipedia article, OST is
> an attempt to describe what happens in any case rather than to
> prescribe what "should" happen. It's really important to me that
> whatever structural or procedural model we are trying to use, we hold
> Needs and Values Consciousness as our organizing principle with regard
> to our working relationships, not OST or sociocracy or any other -
> ocracy.
>
> Regarding the VMA process, you said:
>
> > It has always emerged from a process of harvesting and distilling by a small group
> > with a writer who then makes a proposal that is then reacted/responded to.
>
> That's about what I had in mind! That's what we did last time. I'll
> summarize briefly here; most of the details are in this thread,
> although a Search of this group would likely reveal more discussion:
>
>
http://groups.google.com/group/ESAGroup/browse_thread/thread/4cd03832...