Any of the Phillips lines of German Origin?

[sholsan]

What I am asking here is based purely on speculation and that only. My
David married Mary Sophia Hoffman who was either a daughter or
granddaughter of German immigrants. Since most of my other ancestors
on that side from that same time frame (mid 1700's) were also children
or grandchildren of German immigrants and all of them settled
eventually in the same area of St. Clair Co., IL, I am now wondering
if my David Phillips could have possibly been the son or grandson of
German immigrants as well. It seems that during that time, Germans
pretty much married Germans.Like I said, it is only a theory, but I
have been hitting brick walls for so long, I thought of looking in a
new direction. So, in the DNA project, are any of the Phillips lines
connected to German immigrants in the late 1600's to early 1700's?

Also, are any of the results in yet for the DNA test done by the
descendant of David and Mary Sophia (Hoffman) Phillips?

[Tom Hutchison]

I don't know of any off hand but it does make sense logically.

Given David's prowess in mechanical and woodworking endeavors, it could point more to a German heritage. Some of the best cabinet and furniture makers were German. The German had a very strict system of apprenticeship for becoming a skilled master craftsman. Even jobs like millers were regulated.

Only Group in the DNA Project with German heritage is Group 24, but I don't know of any coming into NC.

Nancy, any Phillips of Group 24 suspect a migration to NC early on?

Anyone know of a German population in Orange Co., NC in the mid 1700s?

Tom

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[Nancy Kiser]

His kit number is 178919, Susan, and his results are due back 25 June or thereabouts. You can follow Phillips DNA Tests in Progress at this link: www.phillipsdnaproject.com

As you know, I suspect your David might belong to my Group 8, because I know a David Phillips from Group 8 lived in Orange Co NC. He appears to have had a son named William who had a son named David. The grandson named David appears to have been approximately the same generation as your David.

Group 8 has very Germanic looking yDNA and in fact, our yDNA matches the yDNA of some 3000 year old skeletons found in a cave in Germany. However, we appear to have been a part of the Anglo-Saxon invasion of England, because we also have several matches with Phillips men who have deep roots in the English Midlands. A lot of German sounding first names are used in Group 8, such as William, Leonard and Johanna. But we appear to have come to Virginia from England in the middle to late 1600s, not Germany. So far we do not have a lot of Phillips who claim descent from German immigrants in the project.

Nancy

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Subject: [ENC Phillips] Any of the Phillips lines of German Origin?

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[~*~ Susan Holsan ~*~]

We are pretty certain that David's wife, Mary Sophia Hoffman, was of German descent. We haven't found any connections or documents so far on her, but she was believed to be born in Lancaster Co., PA, which had a large German population at that time. So, if we can find out more about her family and their move to Orange Co., NC, maybe it would lead to some clues for David and his family.

 

For years my mothers family swore one of their lines (Carr) was of English origin. After years of researching the English lines and reaching dead ends, I discovered through other researchers that the family was not English, but German (Karr). And, this is the line that two of David's& Mary's daughters (Margaret  & Katherine/Catherine) married! So, more reasons for questioning the German heritage!

 

Susan

[~*~ Susan Holsan ~*~]

Thanks, I will keep an eye on the results of the DNA.

 

As I just told Tom, German ties seem to be strong. My own father is an example. Although he was a third generation American, he was still full-blooded German in his ethnicity. And I know that marriage among "your own" was followed even more closely in David's era. But, it was not totally unheard of either, to marry someone of a totally different heritage.

 

Anyhow, this is just a theory on my part. So, guess we just need to see what the DNA results show.

 

I appreciate everyone's help!

 

Susan

 

 

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[Nancy Kiser]

My grandfather Roy Cox was another amateur genealogist and he always swore his Cox line was Scots-Irish.  That made sense, because his mother's maiden name was McAdam.  However, I got a Cox cousin's yDNA tested and it came back as Finnish.  As it turns out, my Cox line descends from a man named Peter Larrsson Kock who was deported from Sweden to New Sweden in the middle 1600s.  The English required Peter to take a permanent last name, so he chose Kock which means cook in Swedish.  Peter had worked as a cook on the boat to America.  Over the generations in America, the name gradually got Anglicized to Cox.  I wish my grandfather was still alive so that I could tell him about this development.  He would be amazed!

Nancy

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Subject: Re: [ENC Phillips] Any of the Phillips lines of German Origin?

[Martha Marble]

At 11:21 AM 5/29/2010, you wrote:

I don't know of any off hand but it does make sense logically.

Given David's prowess in mechanical and woodworking endeavors, it could point more to a German heritage. Some of the best cabinet and furniture makers were German. The German had a very strict system of apprenticeship for becoming a skilled master craftsman. Even jobs like millers were regulated.

Only Group in the DNA Project with German heritage is Group 24, but I don't know of any coming into NC.

Nancy, any Phillips of Group 24 suspect a migration to NC early on?

Anyone know of a German population in Orange Co., NC in the mid 1700s?

You bet. Hillsborough, the county seat of current day Orange County was a hotbed of Germans prior to the Rev. War and probably after as well.  The Regulators came out of that area and before some of the well known people decided to support the upstarts - including Richard Caswell of Dobbs Co who would become the first Gov. of the State of NC, they took sides with Gov. Tryon and the British against what were mostly German and Scots.  The Moravians, of course, settled the Winston Salem area.  I can't remember if the Germans around Hillsborough were Moravian or not.  Of course, the Paletines from Germany and the Swiss were among the first settlers of Craven Co and New Bern in 1710 and after that there were two more waves of them.  We have big doings this year for the 300th.  I am not aware that many of the Paletines/Swiss moved into the Orange co area - they mostly went into Duplin, Onslow and southern Lenoir and then on into Tenn and Ga.  I have at least one German ancestor who came into Lancaster Co, Pa and then on into Craven Co in the next generation.  Doubt he came alone.  I have problems with these people because I have no working knowledge of German but some of the ones here have been traced nicely - some of the information is even correct and proveable.

I also have a Carr line but it was English but another Carr/Kerr line came into Wilmington and then into Duplin Co, NC and they were German.  I have a Lang line that I assume was British but not proven and they were in Pitt Co, NC. About the time they arrived a German family of Langs arrived off the boat which was a little unusual.  Same first names.

We are just discovering there were a LOT of French who came into old Dobbs Co mid 1700's and they took the English spelling of their names so fast we are just discovering who they were.  Obviously a lot of these people wanted to fit in fast.  I just don't see Phillips as being a German name but who knows.

Martha