High Doug I suppose you have not yet received DNA results??? do you know the website http://www.phillipsdnaproject.com/ ? Doyle Phillips (México) Group 9 at the Project website. -------Original Message------- |
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High Tom I note in your message below: "Also, some Quakers became Presbyterians".
This might be a clue in my ancestry search. Not a big deal but do you have a source?
The history of the Tohickon Union Church (my most distant known relation married there in 1758) is documented as housing Presbyterians as well as Reformed and Lutheran. Could be that the man or woman married there was connected to the Presbyterian.
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Phillips, Mark (Monk) Thomas Fort 78 Found the above rather interestingWill of Ephraim Atkinson - written and prob in 1791 - John and Darkis were WIT so she was still alive
Johnston County, NC - Will of Zilphia Gully, 1839 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Will of Zilphia Gully 1839 In the name of God Amen. I Zilphia Gully of the State of North Carolina Johnston County being of sound & perfect mind and memory Blessed be to God do this 22nd day of November in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred thirty five, make and ordain this my last will and testament in manner following,viz: First, I give and bequeath to my son Elias Barnes one bed, bedstead and furniture, one cow and calf Item, I also give and bequeath to my son Robert Newsum Gully all my crop that now on hand, one small table, one bedstead, and furniture, one clock and case, and one work oxen to work with his Item I give to my daughter Zilphia Wall one bed, bedstead and furniture, one cow and calf, one small table, one sugar tub, and three sitting chairs, three head of hogs and all my Geese And the balance of my property to be equally divided amongst my children that is Elizabeth Phillips, Sally Phillips, Robert N. Gully, Ziphia Wall and George L. Gulley. And I do make and ordain my son, Robert N. Gully Executor to this my last will and testament. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal the day and year first above written. Ziphia Gully (her mark) Signed, Sealed, and Published as her last will and testament in the presence of us who were present at the signing and publishing the same Jno. Boone Enoch Whitley (his Mark)NOTE: HER husband also had a will online
The first organized church in the vicinity of Boon Hill was Union Meeting House (Old Union Primitive Baptist Church). It was formed October 1806, when it received "a letter of dismission from the body (church)" at Mill Creek & formed its own church. The church was located about a half a mile southeast of Brogden School and stands on the site of the organized church. Micajah Thomas served as first pastor and John Phillips as first elected deacon, the membership of old union was drawn from a sizable area & by 1825, a group of members were seeking a "dismission" so that they might form their own church. It was called Rains Crossroad Meeting House. Although this church has been inactive for a number of years, a church building still stands at the site of the original church. This is located about one mile northeast of present day Princeton, at the crossroads near the former Waverly Edwards farm. NOTE: I know who has all the old Zion's Landmarks under his bed but he does not live close although it is ironic he lives in Johnston Co. If John Phillips or any of his children were really active in the PBC there may be a juicy obit. Martha
Depending on where they settled, many (Quakers?) became Primitive Baptist also, because that was what was available in the wilderness. My side in particular is full of preachers. Many started out as Primitive Baptist and some changed to other denominations later. The traveling preacher on horseback or circuit preacher was most common back then. They would roam to nearby towns on a schedule to have tent meetings, perform marriages, baptize, etc.
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valuable info, Tom. Will read the article shortly. Gracias. d
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From: Tom Hutchison
Date: 5/27/2010 10:09:30 AM
Subject: Re: [ENC Phillips] 3 Wives of John Phillips b. 1759 Halifax Co., NC Just several sources over the years Doyle. Quakers modeled their religion on the Presbyterian system.
"The whole community of Friends is modelled somewhat on the Presbyterian system. Three gradations of meanings or synods -- monthly, quarterly, and yearly -- administer the affairs of the Society, including in their supervision matters both of spiritual discipline and secular policy. The monthly meetings, composed of all the congregations within a definite circuit, judge of the fitness of new candidates for membership, supply certificates to such as move to other districts, choose fitpersons to be elders, to watch over the ministry, attempt the reformation or pronounce the expulsion of all such as walk disorderly, and generally seek to stimulate the members to religious duty. They also make provision for the poor of the Society, and secure the education of their children. Overseers are also appointed to assist in the promotion of these objects. At monthly meetings also marriages are sanctioned previous to their solemnization at a meeting for worship. Several monthly meetings compose a quarterly meeting, to which they forward general reports of theircondition, and at whichappeals are heard from their decisions. The yearly meeting holds the same relative position to the quarterly meetings that the latter do to the monthly meetings, and has the general superintendence of theSociety in a particular country." (See Rowntree, Quakerism, Past and Present, p. 60.)
One thing is that Presbyterians at first went after Quakers with a great hatred. My guess is the similarity of the religions and the Presbyterians not wanting to be associated with them. Quakers were not treated too well at the start of their religious sect. Partly why William Penn sought to make PA, and successfully I'll add, a true free to worship your religious belief colony. I'll also add that the Secretary of PA in William Penn's time was a cousin to a famous Presby minister. More proof...
Although Philadelphia is associated with William Penn and other Quakers, in fact by 1739, Presbyterians outnumbered all other religious denominations in Philadelphia.
Here is good site explaining some of what was going on...
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one of my favorite gospel quartets was the wild Statesmen, led by Hoagie Lister--a Primitive Baptist.
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The Kingsmen Gospel Quartet featured a tenor, Ernie Phillips, a cousin. He recently retired.
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Martha was the surname Marble ever Marple? On the Provence of Pennsylvania map (begun in 1681) there is a landowner Marple, maybe 2 of them. --DP
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