[ENC Phillips] John Phillips b. 1759 Deep Creek Halifax Co.

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Douglas Phillips

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Hi Group,

As a new member of this group and recent DNA contributor, I have enjoyed reading the discussions about my ancestor, John Phillips b. 1759 on Deep Creek in Halifax County. The Rev. War Pension question can be explained by research done by Thompson family members. Although I don't know all of their sources, their contention that John Phillips was married 3 times does explain a lot.

1st Marriage: Darkis (Dorcas) Hamilton, date unknown, dau of Guy Hamilton & wife Ann. Children: William, Hamilton (my ancestor), Dixon and Edith

2nd Marriage: Mary Thompson (Molly) dau. of William Thompson and wife Sarah of Horse's Creek in Johnston County. Children: John Jr., Elbert and Barnaba (Barnaby).

3rd Marriage: Mary Thompson (Polly) dau. Elijah Thompson, son of William & Sarah Thompson. She was the niece of John's 2nd wife. Johnston County Marriage Bond: John Phillips & Mary Thompson, 4 Oct 1824, Loverd Pearce, bm. Tho. Lockhart, Jr., witness.

Proof of marriage paper in the pension file is a copy done by the Clerk of Court in Johnston County & refers to marriage bond of Sept 1791 secured by John Phillips & Elijah Thompson. Polly Thompson is the name of the bride! Was this jusy a mistake, or were both Mary Thompsons called Molly or Polly.

Doug

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Doyle Phillips

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High Doug I suppose you have not yet received DNA results??? do you know the website http://www.phillipsdnaproject.com/ ?  Doyle Phillips (México) Group 9 at the Project website.
 
 
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George Phillips

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Doug,
 
I am a fairly new member as well and have not as yet followed up on the DNA project. I see in your information a reference to a son, Elbert. My great grandfather is an Elbert born somewhere in North Carolina in 1816. Wonder if this could be a connection. Do you have any other information.
 
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Doyle
 
Doug's results are in and he is a match to Family Group 2. He is also a known sub-branch of that Family Group.
 
I find it highly interesting that one of his sons was named Dixon(Dickson) and the Phillips and Dixon families intermarried in New Castle Co., DE, on the border of Cecil Co., MD where the rest of Group 2 attributes their roots too.
 
I would like to learn more about the possibility of 3 wives to John. Would also like to try and dig up more on the New Castle Connection. I think I have a book somewhere of early marriages of DE. I'll have to dig it out.
 
Tom 

Douglas Phillips

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George,

     I have an Elbert, son of John and Mary (Molly) Thompson Phillips m. 1791 in Johnston Co. North Carolina, b. abt. 1793.  That's all I have on him.  He is mentioned in John's will of 1839.

     If I can be of further help please ask.
Doug
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George Phillips

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Thanks Doug, that's a start. Given his age, the timing might be right for him to be my great, great grandfather. I'm going to do the DNA thing soon, so that may help as well.


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Douglas Phillips

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Tom,

Reference the 3 wives of John Phillips Sr., I have a deed abstract from Johnston Co., NC, Book H2, Page 198, registered Aug term 1814:  ...consideration of the love, good will and affection which the sd. John Phillips Sr. hath towards his son William Phillips ... (after a reserve of the privileges as usual to me the sd. John Phillips Sr. and also to my beloved wife Darkis Phillips ...
     Darkis was the daughter of Guy Hamilton of Wayne County, NC.

     John's 2nd wife was Mary (Molley) Thompson according to a write-up of William Thompson of Horse's Creek in The Heritage of Johnston County North Carolina 1985.  The write-up states "... Sarah and William Thompson had the following children whowere named in his will dated 22 Jan 1769:  ... Molley (the second wife of John Phillips Sr.) ...

     Article goes on to state Elijah, son of William, had a daughter Polly (Mary) (who was probably the 3rd wife of John Phillips Sr.)  Marriage bond for John Phillips & Mary (Polly) Thompson dated 1824.

     I had marriage bond info for his 2nd wife dated 1791 but can't find it at the moment.

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Tom Hutchison

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I am not sure how this fits in. I had started to run everything down, but I got side tracked. I have talked to 2 people about this line of Phillips from Halifax, but they are at a dead end too. This is the original posting I found, tracked down the poster and another she had be emailing with. They both come down from William, but dead ended with him. I wondered if John b. 1759 and William(who d. leaving a wife Priscilla and young children) were brothers. Or perhaps, this is where the Henry name got mixed in because William had a son Henry. Later there was a Phillips girl who married a Green and one of their children was named Phillips Green. Might not have any time to dig until tomorrow afternoon.
 
Here is the main post below...I do have some more information.
Tom
 
 
I am hoping to find some Phillips connections in Halifax Co, NC   and anyone
who could possibly help me with a look up of the settlement of the estate for
John Phillips d. btwn Nov 1803 and Feb 1804 in Halifax. He was married to
Nancy Pittman.   John's will named his wife but did not give the names of his
children..only "until my youngest child reaches 21".  John was the son of
William Phillips and Priscilla and was orphaned along with siblings:
In Records of Estates Halifax Co., NC Vol l, 1759-1805,p. 46
His father was WILLIAM PHILIPS and his mother was Priscilla unknown maiden
name. Division ordered   May Ct. 1786. LEWIS PHILIPS was apptd gdn of WILLIAM
PHILLIPS, HENRY PHILLIPS, MATTHEW PHILLIPS, and MARTIN PHILLIPS (ORPHANS of
the dec'd), May Ct. 1786. John Phillips & Mary Phillips (orphans of the
dec'd) chose Lewis Phillips as their gdn. May Ct. 1786.
I also found reference in the will of Lewis Lewis 1810 that his son Lazarus
Lewis was a guardian of "orphaned children of William Phillips" (again, no
names given).
  My John Phillips, descendant of one of these above, was born abt 1800 in
Halifax Co, married first Elizabeth "Bettie" Green and 2nd Eliza Jane ?. This
John died in 1854.
Sure would appreciate any help.

Tom Hutchison

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Ok, I am on board about the 3 wives of John Phillips, b. 1759. Census records prove it.
 
I also now believe that the Bible Record(thanks Martha) of Louis[sic] P. Phillips was for Lewis Patrick Phillips, b. 2 Oct 1831. That the b. 1789 was really a 1759 and the Dolly was a Polly. Supporting evidence is the 1900 Census of Lewis Patrick Phillips stating his birth month was Oct and year 1831. Without the actual record, impossible to see if the transcription was correct.
 
Now to his second wife's(aka the actual 3rd wife) denial for a pension. She may have been caught getting a pension posing as the first Polly, then later trying to rectify the application, was denied when she told the truth in 1856.
 
An act of July 7, 1838 (5 Stat. 303), granted 5-year pensions to widows whose marriages had taken place before January 1. 1794. These pensions were continued by acts of March 3, 1843 (5 Stat. 647): June 17, 1844 (5 Star. 680); and February 2, 1848 (9 Stat. 210).
 
On July 29, 1848 (9 Slat. 265), Congress provided life pensions for widows of veterans who were married before January 2, 1800. All restrictions pertaining to the date of marriage were removed by acts of February 3, 1853 (10 Stat. 154), and February 28, 1855 (10 Stat. 616). On March 9, 1878 ( 20 Stat. 29), widows of Revolutionary War soldiers who had served for as few as 14 days, or were in any engagement, were declared eligible for life pensions.
 
I am still investigating the wording, but I really think she was posing as John's first wife, until the act in 1853 lessoned the restrictions making her eligable for a pension. It would explain the reason for her claiming to be the Polly m. in 1791 if she was advised there would be no pension for her because she was married after the cut off date.
 
It was also stated that John Phillips, b. 1759 produced a memoir for the benefit of his children a few years before his death. From the SAR pamphlet write up about Lewis P. Phillips, it sounds like he was in possession of it or at least had read it or copied some information from it. Question is, was it handed down to one of his 12 children, via 3 wives himself. If so, where is it and does it still exist today.
 
Paraphrasing from what was quoted from John's memoir...my father(John, b. 1759) died in my infancy, raised by my grandmother and uncles. It confirms his statement in the Pension app...Guardian had my birth record, which was given to me.
 
James Phillips who m. Ruth Dixon, were not his parents. They had one son, spelled out pretty plainly in James's Will dated 1771. Only one son, William Phillips.
 
New Castle Co. DE Will Book K (FHL film 6,539)
K-21: 22 Feb. 1771, will of James (X) Philips Senr of Mill Creek Hundred in Co. of Newcastle on Delaware, yeoman, far advanced years and low state of health; to three of my grandchildren, to wit, my son William son James Philips my daughter Esthers son James Dixson and to my daughter Sarahs son James Young, certain tract of land containing 616 acres lying in Virginia government as divided by law? porvel? in the year 1768, to wit, to James Philips afs. one lot lying at west end of sd land containing 236 acres; to James Dixon afsd one lot lying in middle of afsd. tract containing 190 acres; one other lot being east end of afsd. tract I give to my daughter Sarah Young during her natural life nothwithstanding anything heretofore mentioned to the contrary and at her decease to her son James Young afsd, containing 190 acres; to my daus. Esther Dixson and Sarah Young, 100 lbs, that is 50 lbs to each of them to be paid to them by my son William Phillips within 3 years after my decease, which legacees with what they have already had shall be then fully equal?; to my dau. Elizabeth Pryor; to my granddaughter Hannah Pryor; the remainder to my only son William. Appoint my only son William sole executor. Wit. David Hollingsworth, Philip Dixson, Jacob? Tharples. Proved 23 April 1772.
 
I still think there is a connection to the Dixon family of New Castle, just a bit further back. Undoubtably, the Dixon's were Quakers and the fact that John Phillips, b. 1759 was an educated man, school teacher, signed his own name on documents and wrote his own memoir. Known that early on in American history the educated were Quakers and Presbyterians. Also, some Quakers became Presbyterians, in either regard, education of John and Dixon's in Halifax Co., NC(Joseph and I think a Thomas Dixon), there still might still be the tie to DE Dixons.
 
Making progress, slowly but at least moving forward.
 
Almost forgot, Henry was a known Dixon forename.
 
Tom

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High Tom I note in your message below: "Also, some Quakers became Presbyterians".
 
This might be a clue in my ancestry search. Not a big deal but do you have a source?
 
The history of the Tohickon Union Church (my most distant known relation married there in 1758) is documented as housing Presbyterians as well as Reformed and Lutheran. Could be that the man or woman married there was connected to the Presbyterian.
 
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Just several sources over the years Doyle. Quakers modeled their religion on the Presbyterian system.
 
"The whole community of Friends is modelled somewhat on the Presbyterian system. Three gradations of meanings or synods -- monthly, quarterly, and yearly -- administer the affairs of the Society, including in their supervision matters both of spiritual discipline and secular policy. The monthly meetings, composed of all the congregations within a definite circuit, judge of the fitness of new candidates for membership, supply certificates to such as move to other districts, choose fitpersons to be elders, to watch over the ministry, attempt the reformation or pronounce the expulsion of all such as walk disorderly, and generally seek to stimulate the members to religious duty. They also make provision for the poor of the Society, and secure the education of their children. Overseers are also appointed to assist in the promotion of these objects. At monthly meetings also marriages are sanctioned previous to their solemnization at a meeting for worship. Several monthly meetings compose a quarterly meeting, to which they forward general reports of theircondition, and at whichappeals are heard from their decisions. The yearly meeting holds the same relative position to the quarterly meetings that the latter do to the monthly meetings, and has the general superintendence of theSociety in a particular country." (See Rowntree, Quakerism, Past and Present, p. 60.)
 
 
One thing is that Presbyterians at first went after Quakers with a great hatred. My guess is the similarity of the religions and the Presbyterians not wanting to be associated with them. Quakers were not treated too well at the start of their religious sect. Partly why William Penn sought to make PA, and successfully I'll add, a true free to worship your religious belief colony. I'll also add that the Secretary of PA in William Penn's time was a cousin to a famous Presby minister. More proof...
 
Although Philadelphia is associated with William Penn and other Quakers, in fact by 1739, Presbyterians outnumbered all other religious denominations in Philadelphia.
 
Here is good site explaining some of what was going on...
 
 
Some of the Quakers fleeing VA in the 1660s went to MD, which had a large Presby following but were friendly to Quakers(no pun intended). I take it that they(the VA Quakers) were just trying to fit in after they had been so "dogged" and mistreated in VA.
 
Another thing is the Presbyterians actually set out to convert many to their belief. Some of the first backwood ministers in the new world as it was growing were Presbyterians. That could also account for a Quaker to Presbyterian conversion.
 
One thing for sure, religion was a major factor in early America.
 
Tom
 

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From the Johnston Co Genweb archives - there are 21 Phillips notations of various degrees of interest

Off the subject of John is
Johnston/Dobbs Cross Index - Book 2 - ca 1750 - 1754

Phillips, Mark
(Monk)           Thomas
Fort                   
78

Found the above rather interesting



Will of Ephraim Atkinson - written and prob in 1791 - John and Darkis were WIT so she was still alive


Johnston County, NC - Will of Zilphia Gully, 1839

                      
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Will of Zilphia Gully 1839

In the name of God Amen. I Zilphia Gully of the State of North Carolina
Johnston 
County being of sound & perfect mind and memory Blessed be to God do
this 22nd 
day of November in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred thirty
five, 
make and ordain this my last will and testament in manner 
following,viz:
First, I give and bequeath to my son Elias Barnes one bed, bedstead and
furniture,
one cow and calf
Item, I also give and bequeath to my son Robert Newsum Gully all my crop
that now 
on hand, one small table, one bedstead, and furniture, one clock and
case, and one 
work oxen to work with his
Item I give to my daughter Zilphia Wall one bed, bedstead and furniture,
one cow 
and calf, one small table, one sugar tub, and three sitting chairs, three
head of 
hogs and all my Geese
And the balance of my property to be equally divided amongst my children
that is 
Elizabeth Phillips, Sally Phillips, Robert N. Gully, Ziphia Wall and
George L.
Gulley. And I do make and ordain my son, Robert N. Gully Executor to this
my last 
will and testament. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and
seal the 
day and year first above written.

                                 
Ziphia Gully (her mark)

Signed, Sealed, and Published 
as her last will and testament in
the presence of us who were 
present at the signing and 
publishing the same

Jno. Boone
Enoch Whitley (his Mark)

NOTE: HER husband also had a will online


History of Princeton

The first organized church in the vicinity of Boon Hill was
Union Meeting
House (Old Union Primitive Baptist Church). It was formed October 1806,
when it received "a letter of dismission from the body
(church)" at Mill
Creek & formed its own church. The church was located about a half a
mile
southeast of Brogden School and stands on the site of the organized
church. Micajah Thomas served as first pastor and John Phillips as 
first
elected deacon, the membership of old union was drawn from a sizable
area
& by 1825, a group of members were seeking a "dismission"
so that they
might form their own church. It was called Rains Crossroad Meeting
House.
Although this church has been inactive for a number of years, a church
building still stands at the site of the original church. This is
located
about one mile northeast of present day Princeton, at the crossroads
near
the former Waverly Edwards farm.

NOTE: I know who has all the old Zion's Landmarks under his bed but he
does not live close although it is ironic he lives in Johnston Co. 
If John Phillips or any of his children were really active in the PBC
there may be a juicy obit.

Martha






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Depending on where they settled, many (Quakers?) became Primitive Baptist also, because that was what was available in the wilderness.  My side in particular is full of preachers.  Many started out as Primitive Baptist and some changed to other denominations later.  The traveling preacher on horseback or circuit preacher was most common back then.  They would roam to nearby towns on a schedule to have tent meetings, perform marriages, baptize, etc.

 

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The old Dobbs Co and Johnston Co had one of the biggest Quaker settlements in NC up to the Civil War.  Many of them came out of Perquimmons and Edgecombe Co.  Presbyterians weren't very large down here then or now.  Baptists were and many of those Baptists groups came from the Presbyterian Church - same is true for the Disciples of Christ which was started in 1832 from the Presbyterian Church mostly but most members were Baptists.  You will note in the Princeton history that John Phillips was a Primitive Baptist.  I have learned a bit about the PB in the past few years - they were and are educated, well do do, more right wing in every way than Atilla the Hun, and extremely tightfisted.  They also wrote very enlightening obits for Zion's Landmark in NC - sometimes taking the dearly dec back 2 generations or more with a mention of siblings, children etc if it was a really good one.  Some of their records still exist today mostly under someone's bed if you can find them.  I have been trying to get the Mewborn PBC Records as well as all the old Zion's Landmarks out from under a bed and to the Manuscript Division of ECU for about 10 years. Promises.

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valuable info, Tom. Will read the article shortly. Gracias. d
 
 
 
 
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Just several sources over the years Doyle. Quakers modeled their religion on the Presbyterian system.
 
"The whole community of Friends is modelled somewhat on the Presbyterian system. Three gradations of meanings or synods -- monthly, quarterly, and yearly -- administer the affairs of the Society, including in their supervision matters both of spiritual discipline and secular policy. The monthly meetings, composed of all the congregations within a definite circuit, judge of the fitness of new candidates for membership, supply certificates to such as move to other districts, choose fitpersons to be elders, to watch over the ministry, attempt the reformation or pronounce the expulsion of all such as walk disorderly, and generally seek to stimulate the members to religious duty. They also make provision for the poor of the Society, and secure the education of their children. Overseers are also appointed to assist in the promotion of these objects. At monthly meetings also marriages are sanctioned previous to their solemnization at a meeting for worship. Several monthly meetings compose a quarterly meeting, to which they forward general reports of theircondition, and at whichappeals are heard from their decisions. The yearly meeting holds the same relative position to the quarterly meetings that the latter do to the monthly meetings, and has the general superintendence of theSociety in a particular country." (See Rowntree, Quakerism, Past and Present, p. 60.)
 
 
One thing is that Presbyterians at first went after Quakers with a great hatred. My guess is the similarity of the religions and the Presbyterians not wanting to be associated with them. Quakers were not treated too well at the start of their religious sect. Partly why William Penn sought to make PA, and successfully I'll add, a true free to worship your religious belief colony. I'll also add that the Secretary of PA in William Penn's time was a cousin to a famous Presby minister. More proof...
 
Although Philadelphia is associated with William Penn and other Quakers, in fact by 1739, Presbyterians outnumbered all other religious denominations in Philadelphia.
 
Here is good site explaining some of what was going on...
 
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one of my favorite gospel quartets was the wild Statesmen, led by Hoagie Lister--a Primitive Baptist.  
 
 
 
 
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I am cc Don Gurley on these messages although he is not a member of the group.  He does come down John and has a SAR approved application on him.


Johnston Co, NC Deed Boooks Vol 11 - 1783 - 1808 by Weynette Parks Haun

18 March 1805 - Matthew Capps to William Duls - NS Baudy Swamp and NS Neuse - WIT John Phillips, Darkis Phillips

Obviously Darkis was still alive in 1805.  I can find nothing for her in the Wills, Estate Records, Court Records, deeds etc after that time.

Before John died he appears to have given his adult children land

From the Marriage Records - there was a Henry Phillips who md Sarah Lawhorn 1 Dec 1778 Bondsman William Dodd - couldn't find anything else on Henry.  There was a later Henry who md Emily Bond in 1833 and Lewis H. Phillips was the Bondsman

John Sr. md Mary Thomson on 4 Oct 1824, Loverd Pearce, bm

I have a copy of the  Louis P. Bible Record which was submitted by one Doug Phillips, Halifax NC.  Given how Louis moved around surprised the Bible remained in NC.

It clearly states that John Phillips was the son of Henry Phillips and Edith Phillips and was born 1789 - think we all agree that was probably a typo.

Louis b 2 Oct 1831 and d 12 Oct 1926 - would say he lived to a ripe old age.  The Record does not give all of the children of Louis

I looked briefly in the Halifax abstracts and only found the following of interest

Genealogical Abstracts of Wills


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The Kingsmen Gospel Quartet featured a tenor, Ernie Phillips, a cousin.  He recently retired.

 

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Martha was the surname Marble ever Marple? On the Provence of Pennsylvania map (begun in 1681) there is a landowner Marple, maybe 2 of them. --DP 
 
 
 
 
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Don't think so. My husband was a Spanish citizen adopted by his stepfather after WWII - hence the name Marble.  His stepfather's family, the only father he remembers, traces their line way back into New England.  But no blood relation. My father in law was well into genealogy which gave us something to talk about and discovered we had a common line out of NE into NE NC.

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I must have missed printing out the page 46 of John's pension file last year. I went back through the digital images. Seems as if the Polly marriage of 1791 was completely fabricated.
 
Letter in L. P.(Lewis Patrick) Phillips's own hand, July 6, 1859. Seems as if he was representing his mother, added Esq and was in Clayton, NC in Johnston Co.
 
I have to inform you that the pension allowance made to Polly Phillips of N.C. widow of John, under the acts of 1838, 1843, 1844, and 1848 was obtained by fraudulent representation and pretended proofs that her marriage took place prior to the year 1794.
 
That shoots the 3 wives theory down unless someone has some other proof. I believe Doug you stated you couldn't find it in the Johnston Co. records. If it was fabricated, it would not be in the court records and this would indicate L.P. admitted fraud statement is true.
 
So it looks like John m. Darkis(Dorcas) Hamilton first as thought. She must have died after 1820, with John marrying Polly Thompson 2nd in 1824 and having three more children. One who was Lewis Patrick Phillips.
 
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Tom, I think you hit the nail on the head with the Pension theory.  It appears that Lewis either acting on his own or at the request of his mother lied about the date of the marriage in order to obtain the pension.  Someone must have ratted them out.  Bet it was one of the older children and just bet there was no love lost between the two sets of children and may be the reason that Lewis and Fort left Johnston Co.

Guess the question now is where did his family come from.  John was not a poor man, as Doug pointed out yesterday.  He owned a lot of land indicating he started life with something.

Martha
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Tom Hutchison

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May 28, 2010, 1:42:55 PM5/28/10
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Did I miss something with John's early land holdings?

Tom

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May 28, 2010, 1:50:11 PM5/28/10
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Don't think so.  I just noticed yesterday in the deed abstracts that he bought and sold a lot of land.  Doug mentioned something about 900 acres.

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Douglas Phillips

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May 28, 2010, 5:56:55 PM5/28/10
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Tom

According to my records (which are not complete) I have John buying 1000 acres between 1783 and 1807.  Have deeds or abstracts for same in my files.  These were in Wayne and Johnston Counties but close together.

You also made reference to page 46 in John's pension file.  Also check out page 14 which is a copy of the supposedly marriage bond for John and Polly Thompson signed by John Phillips & Elijah Thompson certified by the Clerk of Court Thomas Bagley of Johnston County.  I think that this is probably where I got the 1791 date.  Notice that the Clerk certified this copy in 1844.

After talking with Martha yesterday when she mentioned finding John & Darkis as witnesses on a deed in 1805 got me thinking.  So I started going through my files and I found a list of members of Old Union Church Members in 1806.  I think Darkis is also on that list but is spelled Darris Phillips.  John is also on the list.  This is the church where John was the first elected Deacon in 1806, the year the church was started.

If all this is right, maybe John didn't have but two wives, Darkis Hamilton and Mary (Polly) Thompson.


Doug

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Martha Marble

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May 28, 2010, 9:54:45 PM5/28/10
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Doug, do you have a copy of John's Will? Don does not.

Martha

Douglas Phillips

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May 28, 2010, 10:14:31 PM5/28/10
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Martha,

I thought I had a copy but can't find it.  I do have a typed copy that I transcribed and put in the booklet I did back in 1977.


Doug

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Doug, do you have a copy of John's Will? Don does

not.



Martha










Martha Marble

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May 29, 2010, 7:40:53 AM5/29/10
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Tom, would that do?  If so maybe Doug would share.

Martha
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