DiskOrder 2.5.1 evaluation
Dmitriy Korobskiy
I'm a life-long user of Orthodox File Managers and a recent switcher to
Mac. One of the critical applications that I had to find on Mac was an
OFM. I have tried DiskOrder along with others. For the curious, other
OFMs I am trying are:
- ForkLift
- muCommander
- Krusader (under X Window)
I have decided not to purchase DiskOrder and am including my wish list
(missing features) and comments below. This is not an attempt to beat on
DiskOrder, just the honest feedback.
Missing features, decreasing in importance:
1. Brief mode
Brief mode, for those unfamiliar with it, is one of original view modes
in Norton Commander where only file name/ext. is displayed. More
detailed file info (size, timestamp, etc.) is displayed separately in a
status line or panel, only for a highlighted file. It saves *a lot* of
screen real estate.
2. Treating archives as directories: copy, move, delete in archives.
3. Support of RAR archives.
4. Command line shell needs to be configurable - e.g. use user's profile
I have my own .bash_profile but I could not see any way to use that with
DiskOrder's terminal.
5. Rename-in-place
6. "Swap panels" commands are confusing. Ctrl-U is the traditional OFM
shortcut that exchanges left and right panels or tabs.
On the other hand, it'd be nice to be able to open *highlighted dir.* in
the other panel/tab. If the cursor is focused on the file - then open
current dir. (as current "Swap panels" commands do).
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P.S. I encourage everyone to contribute to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_managers which is decent info, but it does need some work.
Timothy James
PathFinder is the best of all file managers. Stable and consistently developed. Great response from the developers. It's highly versatile and worth the money.
----------------------------------------> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 17:10:01 -0400> From: dkr...@gmail.com> To: Disk-Order-Us...@googlegroups.com; sup...@likemac.ru> Subject: DiskOrder 2.5.1 evaluation>>> Hi,>> I'm a life-long user of Orthodox File Managers and a recent switcher to> Mac. One of the critical applications that I had to find on Mac was an> OFM. I have tried DiskOrder along with others. For the curious, other> OFMs I am trying are:>> - ForkLift> - muCommander> - Krusader (under X Window)>> I have decided not to purchase DiskOrder and am including my wish list> (missing features) and comments below. This is not an attempt to beat on> DiskOrder, just the honest feedback.>> Missing features, decreasing in importance:>> 1. Brief mode> Brief mode, for those unfamiliar with it, is one of original view modes> in Norton Commander where only file name/ext. is displayed. More> detailed file info (size, timestamp, etc.) is displayed separately in a> status line or panel, only for a highlighted file. It saves *a lot* of> screen real estate.>> 2. Treating archives as directories: copy, move, delete in archives.>> 3. Support of RAR archives.>> 4. Command line shell needs to be configurable - e.g. use user's profile> I have my own .bash_profile but I could not see any way to use that with> DiskOrder's terminal.>> 5. Rename-in-place>> 6. "Swap panels" commands are confusing. Ctrl-U is the traditional OFM> shortcut that exchanges left and right panels or tabs.> On the other hand, it'd be nice to be able to open *highlighted dir.* in> the other panel/tab. If the cursor is focused on the file - then open> current dir. (as current "Swap panels" commands do).>> -->> DK > >> P.S. I encourage everyone to contribute to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_managers which is decent info, but it does need some work.>>>>>
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Dmitriy Korobskiy
thanks, but from what I understand
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_managers) it is not an
OFM (or at-least twin-panel, if you will), is it? I do believe that
humanity found the God-given way to manage files in 1986:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton_Commander :)
--
Timothy James
True, it does not have the twin panels. However, it does have a feature called a "shelf" that compensates for some of it. In any event, if you really want the twin panels, give ForkLift a look.
----------------------------------------> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 18:15:16 -0400> From: dkr...@gmail.com> To: Disk-Order-Us...@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: DiskOrder 2.5.1 evaluation>>> Timothy,>> thanks, but from what I understand> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_managers) it is not an> OFM (or at-least twin-panel, if you will), is it? I do believe that> humanity found the God-given way to manage files in 1986:> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton_Commander :)>> Timothy James wrote:>> PathFinder is the best of all file managers. Stable and consistently developed. Great response from the developers. It's highly versatile and worth the money.>>>> ----------------------------------------> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 17:10:01 -0400> From: dkr...@gmail.com> To: Disk-Order-Us...@googlegroups.com; sup...@likemac.ru> Subject: DiskOrder 2.5.1 evaluation>>> Hi,>> I'm a life-long user of Orthodox File Managers and a recent switcher to> Mac. One of the critical applications that I had to find on Mac was an> OFM. I have tried DiskOrder along with others. For the curious, other> OFMs I am trying are:>> - ForkLift> - muCommander> - Krusader (under X Window)>> I have decided not to purchase DiskOrder and am including my wish list> (missing features) and comments below. This is not an attempt to beat on> DiskOrder, just the honest feedback.>> Missing features, decreasing in importance:>> 1. Brief mode> Brief mode, for those unfamiliar with it, is one of original view modes> in Norton Commander where only file name/ext. is displayed. More> detailed file info (size, timestamp, etc.) is displayed separately in a> status line or panel, only for a highlighted file. It saves *a lot* of> screen real estate.>> 2. Treating archives as directories: copy, move, delete in archives.>> 3. Support of RAR archives.>> 4. Command line shell needs to be configurable - e.g. use user's profile> I have my own .bash_profile but I could not see any way to use that with> DiskOrder's terminal.>> 5. Rename-in-place>> 6. "Swap panels" commands are confusing. Ctrl-U is the traditional OFM> shortcut that exchanges left and right panels or tabs.> On the other hand, it'd be nice to be able to open *highlighted dir.* in> the other panel/tab. If the cursor is focused on the file - then open> current dir. (as current "Swap panels" commands do).>> -->> DK>>> P.S. I encourage everyone to contribute to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_managers which is decent info, but it does need some work.>>>>>>> _________________________________________________________________>> Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger>> http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=wlmailtagline>>>>>>>>>>> --> DK > >>>>
Florin T.PATRASCU
looks abandoned now and there are a couple of outstanding bugs which
I am not sure there is anybody to fix them soon. After almost an year
I decided to switch to PathFinder (ForkLift wasn't around at that
time) and as a long time TotalCommander user I can say it wasn't easy
to find my way with a single panel file manager, but at the end I
learned to respect PathFinder and now I have difficulties replacing
it with the ForkLift app.
TotalCommander is the best OFM but there are no plans for porting it
to mac, as I understand from their forums. Forklift ... still doesn't
have the TC features. ForkLift is focusing on S3 and other fancy
stuff and ignores the pure file management and the key mapping, but
maybe they are too young in this field. Anyway, I feel bad for the DO
guys that we talk about competition in their forums ... This is sad
for a product that was promising a lot :(
V/r
-florin
On 03-Sep-07, at 18:15 , Dmitriy Korobskiy wrote:
>
> Timothy,
>
> thanks, but from what I understand
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_managers) it is
> not an
> OFM (or at-least twin-panel, if you will), is it? I do believe that
> humanity found the God-given way to manage files in 1986:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton_Commander :)
>
> Timothy James wrote:
>> PathFinder is the best of all file managers. Stable and
>> consistently developed. Great response from the developers. It's
>> highly versatile and worth the money.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------> Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007
>> 17:10:01 -0400> From: dkr...@gmail.com> To: Disk-Order-Users-
>> Comm...@googlegroups.com; sup...@likemac.ru> Subject: DiskOrder
Salamon Zsolt
Dmitriy Korobskiy
Here is where I am currently:
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- muCommander 0.8.beta3 for everyday work
- TotalCommander under Parallels for advanced features that are not supported by muCommander (yet ?), e.g. directory synchronization, advanced search, etc., etc.
I think I'll be content for now, especially if muCommander improves. If you have not seen muCommander - take a look. It's open source, written in Java, and although it is a but uglier than shiny DiskOrder or ForkLift, it is, at least, a native app. I have some issues with muCommander as well, but I hope it'll improve. It seems to be actively developed. My wish list for muCommander:
1. Fixing bugs:
- I have found that built-in ZIP extractor does not set execute permissions which causes problems with installation of some Mac apps.
- Execute permissions are not shown properly.
- When error occurs during file transfer destination file should be deleted
2. Background transfers. Copying or moving files in muCommander hoses the entire app - can not open new windows.
3. Brief mode
4. Treating archives as directories: copy, move
5. Search
6. "Open with" in context menu.
7. Tabs
Some thoughts on my experiences with other choices (IMHO, of course):
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- I understand now that DiskOrder is not being actively developed/supported - too bad.
- I have tried ForkLift. My ForkLift trial is coming to an end and I'm not going to buy it. I'll send my wish list to ForkLift people, but here it is - for completeness:
1. Brief mode
2. Command line
3. Treating archives as directories: copy, move
4. Compare directories
5. Built-in advanced search (not Spotlight)
6. Built-in viewer
- I did indeed install Midnight Commander (and Krusader) via FinkCommander which is a package manager. I do not mind Terminal / command line, but for file management - I prefer native OFMs. The problem with both MC and Krusader under OS X is that they are alien, non-native apps. Hence you lose some integration with OS (e.g. context menu), convenience (launching in one window via one click from Dock) and look-and-feel.
Also, while MC installed fine, Krusader's setup was, how shall I put it, adventurous. It took me some twiddling with Fink (Krusader is not in the current approved package list), 3 tries and 3 days to do it. And in the process, it installed, I don't know, gazillion required packages. Did I mention I had to install X Window and XCode first?
And, in the end, Krusader still did not have some other (optional) command-line tools/packages - for comparison and synchronization, for example.
- As for non-OFMs (e.g. PathFinder - looks like people like it) - thanks for suggestion, but it might be easier for me to switch to Mac from Windows than switch from OFMs. Twin panels and F5/F6 are too deeply ingrained in my unconsciousness.