ONE WHO LIVES AS A BODY SUFFERS AS A BODY

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Apr 27, 2008, 5:30:26 AM4/27/08
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ONE WHO LIVES AS A BODY SUFFERS AS A BODY
 

The devotee actually is God. What do you mean when you say that he has "become" God? The concept of "one's self" is an illusion. There is only One Self in the world. Regardless of whether you say serpent or scorpion, all are only Brahman. The world appearance consists of the five elements, and the one Self, and all of this is only God. This gives us the "Glory" of non-division, non-duality, and the non-worrying state, and all of this virtue is One, and it comes all at once. Illusion has taken our possession (that of knowing our True Identity). Therefore, we have become unhappy. The signs of the "Realization of Brahman" are the sense of peace, absence of anxiety, full contentment, and an extraordinary feeling of bliss. What is being experienced as joy or bliss within becomes evident in the organs, skin, and face. The peace and contentment which completely fills Consciousness will be expressed outwardly. In other words, the spreading of light out through the windows, from the lamp that is lit inside. The "Glory" is the absence of anxiety in the mental field.

When we live as a physical body, the pains and sufferings of the body are our fate. For one who holds on to the physical body there is a lack of well being of the mind as well as the troubles associated with pride, ego, and anxiety. The one who lives in transcendence of body-consciousness gains the Supreme Reality, Parabrahman. To adopt the position of an individual, even after knowing that one is Brahman, is like a king doing some service like a servant. To become junior in such a way when one is actually senior is akin to committing suicide. This is what is meant by "to fall." Illusion shows her power, and even though you know that the play of Maya is only Illusion, you think her to be real. This is because you are in the habit of thinking in this way. You must give up this habit. Otherwise, you will remain a slave to Illusion. How can you be free while retaining this type of habitual thinking?

Remain with the "Realization of Brahman," and only then are you identified with Brahman. Otherwise, you again become the individual, the Jiva. If only the "Glory of Brahman" is True Happiness, and if it is only that which is truly beneficial, why are you again becoming entangled in Illusion? Why do you fall into the prison of your own desires? Do you want to be living in prison? Can you say that you are pleased with your condition, and that you want to remain in prison? All of the virtues of Desirelessness, Non-Attachment, Fearlessness, etc., will be accrued to you simultaneously and automatically when you give up the notion that you are the body. See what a great injustice you are doing to your Self. Being Brahman, you are very adamantly becoming an individual. To call one's Self the body is the very root of what is called sin. Give up this habit, and be free of sin.

- Shri Siddharameshwar Maharaj - From a talk in "Master of Self-Realization"
Evening, December 5, 1934

 


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Mahakali

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Apr 27, 2008, 7:40:31 AM4/27/08
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Until there is someone who retains habitual thinking or thinking,
then, the problem related to the individual will remain. The person
has to fall off. The root problem of this is the "I Am" out of which
all the other thoughts arise. As long as there are thoughts there is
also a thinker; as long as there is a thinker (subject) and thoughts
(objects), then, there will be separation ...and the innumerable cases
of "mistaken identity"!

Parabrahman can only happen...

Kali

Ram

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Apr 27, 2008, 5:58:08 PM4/27/08
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Anything that you can say about Parabrahman is in the realm of
concepts/Maya. If you say that Parabrahman "happens," this is only
imagination.
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Ram

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Apr 28, 2008, 6:24:35 AM4/28/08
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Agree, the issue is one of mistaken identity. The root cause of which
is this "I Am" concept closely linked to the more elementary concept
of "I am the body." In this approach to presenting advaita vedanta
(the Sampradaya of SM, NM, RM, etc.) the foundational teaching about
the four bodies is given. The first being the gross physical body, and
the fourth being the "I Am" or Consciousness/Satchitananda body, also
called Turya. The clear seeing that the true "I" or Self is not
limited to any of these four bodies, or coverings on the Self, is to
revel in/as one's true identity.

On Apr 27, 6:40 pm, Mahakali <Maha.Ka...@googlemail.com> wrote:

Richard

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Apr 28, 2008, 10:18:08 AM4/28/08
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SM here gets to the crux of the issue---the habitual thinking caused
by conditioning, and the overcoming of it.

Ram paints the whole picture concisely and clearly.

Mahakali

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Apr 28, 2008, 6:18:11 PM4/28/08
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Parabrahman happens, but not in the way the "individual" can think or
imagine it to be happening...

Kali
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Ram

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Apr 29, 2008, 4:49:05 AM4/29/08
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Hi Kali,

Respectfully, that's your concept. A concept that is presented from
the perspecitve of an individual. Without that concept, who is there
to say that anything is happening? No words or concepts are
forthcoming there. As soon as the initial motion of conceptualization,
the initial urge that says "I Am" arises, "all" is within the realm of
Maya/imagination. Be without any concept or imagination and know for
certain that nothing is happening in Parabrahman. It can only be
talked about and conceived of in the realm of Maya, but it cannot be
truly realized within Illusion. The realization of it stands beyond
Illusion and all appearances and concepts.

It's like the dream. You can talk about the waking state in the dream
and imagine what it is like, but wakefulness is only known upon
awakening. Then it is seen that even though it appeared, nothing
really happened.

:~)

godszen

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May 18, 2008, 4:19:18 AM5/18/08
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