The Act of Giving Up All Actions

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Mar 9, 2008, 4:59:30 PM3/9/08
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The Act of Giving Up All Actions
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Who would give up the great benefit of realizing unity with God by not doing the simple act of offering all actions to Him? This advice of spiritual life was given by Krishna to Uddhava. (The word Uddhava means "conviction becoming firm.") This is the pinnacle of all Devotion.
 
- Shri Siddharameshwar Maharaj from a talk in "Master of Self-Realization"
October 19, 1935


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Richard

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Mar 17, 2008, 11:26:43 AM3/17/08
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Wouldn't such devotional activity reinforce a separation and
difference between the devotee and God? "This action is offered to
You, that action is offered to You" seems like a gulf between giver
and Receiver.

Who is it that can offer anything? What is their's to offer?

Mahakali

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Mar 17, 2008, 3:31:17 PM3/17/08
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Hi Richard

I suppose this is why they call it the devotional "path". It is only a
path and it should not be confused with the destination. On the path
and this is true for any sort of path - whereas bahkti, karma or
jiana -there is no bliss or realization as it happens at the
destination but it means leading the same life with, perhaps, more
pointers and more pointing to "it".

Best wishes


Kali

Ram

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Mar 17, 2008, 5:31:44 PM3/17/08
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There is no separate God and Devotee. This is only indulging
imagination.

The principle of the simple act of giving up actions (doership) cannot
be understood by merely thinking about it. The surrender originally
starts out as conceptual, but when it is done, the act of giving up
actions is also given up. That's the beauty and simplicity of the
quote.

Not-two = No doer.

Mahakali

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Mar 18, 2008, 1:56:44 PM3/18/08
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It is about surrendering one's own so-called free will to what is
Self. It is about recognizing that we, as humans, do not have the
priviledge of free will as this is something that belongs to Self.

Kali

godszen

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Mar 20, 2008, 3:32:15 AM3/20/08
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Ram wrote:
> the act of giving up actions is also given up.

when one's normal state is non-contemplative forgetfulness



Ram

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Mar 20, 2008, 2:16:58 PM3/20/08
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Perhaps, or maybe just true remembrance. :~)

When there is no thing to forget and no thing to remember, there is
only what is.

godszen

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Mar 21, 2008, 2:02:42 AM3/21/08
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yes, just non-contemplative

Richard

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Mar 21, 2008, 1:39:39 PM3/21/08
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Previously Ram told us to understand the state of forgetfulness. Here
he suggests, "When there is no thing to forget and no thing to
remember...".

Good, Ram. Kick out those concepts, even your own.

Of course a glass of water can be discussed endlessly; it's taste,
it's temperature, it's purity, etc. But as Deshimaru said, "It is
picking up the glass and drinking it that is alone Zen".

Richard

Ram

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Mar 22, 2008, 4:28:18 AM3/22/08
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Yes, understand and then understand that the understanding is not
true.
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