True Renunciation

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Mar 5, 2008, 5:53:07 PM3/5/08
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TRUE RENUNCIATION

Attachment to pleasure is bondage. If you say, "I don’t need anything," all problems come to an end. He who says, "I want" does not get anything. He who says, "I don't want" gets everything. The lion is trapped due to attachment, and the elephant is also bound due to its attachment to food. This is Illusion (Maya). This is what is called bondage. A man becomes pitiable due to his attachment to woman. He is trapped in the snare of attraction because for days he is longing for pleasure, and it becomes his need. When the fascination with his attachment is increased, he becomes a slave, as if he is chained. One becomes tied down as if handcuffed only because desire is increased. If that desire is replaced by Desirelessness, then the bondage is broken.

This is the nature of the instruction that Lord Krishna gave to His disciple Uddhava. Then Uddhava asked Krishna as to how could one be completely desireless. He wanted to have "Pure Desirelessness" born out of the Sattva quality. If one becomes desireless upon hearing from others the bad effects of attachment, this detachment is called "Tamasic Desirelessness." If something is sacrificed for the purpose of gaining Self-Knowledge then that state of detachment is said to be born out of the Rajas quality. When the mind is convinced that all objects are illusory, this is what is call "Sattvic Desirelessness." With pure "Sattvic Desirelessness," one feels like laughing at the idea of relinquishing anything. Where was there really ever any bondage to relinquish? You have tied yourself up with ropes that are non-existent. You may say that you have dropped the shackles, but you were only holding fast to that which was not even yours. What was ever yours? What have you dropped? This is what is called the true, pure Sattvic Renunciation. If there was nothing ever there to be dropped, then what is there to be let go of?
 
- Shri Siddharameshwar Maharaj from a talk in "Master of Self-Realization"
Morning - November 22, 1934 


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Mar 8, 2008, 5:52:17 PM3/8/08
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"ad...@sadguru.us" <ad...@sadguru.us> wrote:
>   TRUE RENUNCIATION
....... When the mind is convinced that all objects are illusory, this
is what is call "Sattvic Desirelessness." With pure "Sattvic
Desirelessness," one feels like laughing at the idea of relinquishing
anything. Where was there really ever any bondage to relinquish? You
have tied yourself up with ropes that are non-existent. You may say
that you have dropped the shackles, but you were only holding fast to
that which was not even yours. What was ever yours? What have you
dropped?
>  This is what is called the true, pure Sattvic Renunciation. If there was nothing ever there to be dropped, then what is there to be let go of?
>
>   - Shri Siddharameshwar Maharaj from a talk in "Master of Self-Realization"
>   Morning - November 22, 1934

>>>This also means that there is nothing which needs to be surrendered. All that needs to be surrendered is this ocean of samsara or the illusory world.


Kali

Richard

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Mar 24, 2008, 3:41:07 PM3/24/08
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There is nothing which needs to be surrendered and also there is no
one to do the surrendering.

In the quote is mentioned the pitiable condition of a man who is
attached to women. Ramakrishna also said women and gold are the
hindrances. Often I am nearly obsessive about women in general. Is
there something to be done or realized to become less worldly?

Ram

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Mar 24, 2008, 7:55:13 PM3/24/08
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There is nothing which needs to be surrendered and also there is no
one to do the surrendering.

From the perspective of the Jiva there is, ultimately there isn't.

It's only from the perspective that all things are illusory that it
can be said that there is nothing to be surrendered. If objectivity is
taken to be true then women and gold will continue to hold one's
interest.

Mahakali

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Mar 25, 2008, 6:45:32 AM3/25/08
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What one needs to become is to be of this world and not be of this
world at the same time.

This is the way I would deal with your attachments (I apply this rule
to my situations too): I think that gold and women in general are not
obsessive about you; therefore, why are you superimposing an obsession
of any form on any of them?

As Ram said: being obsessive and not being obsessive at all is part of
the duality. Realize that it is all an illusion (your obsession
included) and you will be fine.


All the best...

Kali
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