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Feb 12, 2026, 10:00:06 AM (7 days ago) Feb 12
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Deborah Pacini read my mind, but understated the problem of deliveries, pickups & drop-offs, guests, maintenance and other business, not to mention all the existing reasons that people, cars, trucks, bikes, and buses travel through, park, double park, and inch through Davis Sq.

I keep wondering who will take responsibility for designing and building the road/street or bypass system that will allow Davis Square to accommodate the increased traffic.  It's not as if there are obvious bypass routes.  Are we going to send all that traffic to Morrison Av. or down Chester or Dover Street?  Or will the whole area become a pedestrian mall?  The costs for a redesign/rebuild shouldn't fall onto the City, but neither should the design for a mobility solution be left to the developer, without meaningful involvement by residents, local businesses, and users of Davis Square, as well as, of course, the City's traffic engineers. And it goes without saying that the police, fire department, and mbta will have an interest in being able to get through Davis Square.

Fred

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Alan Moore <al...@pathfriends.org>: Feb 09 11:14AM -0500

been reading all the month's posts with interest.
 
I agree with David and think these are important points to consider with regard to the car parking issue.
 
Does anyone have any data on car ownership at Assembly for residents there? With all the parking there, renters who require a car can choose there.
 
Alan
 
If someone knowingly chose to live in a car-free apartment, and later
 
decides they want a car because of a job change, then they can move.
 
I'm okay with that.
 
Caring for a disabled person is different. I think it would be
 
reasonable for Copper Mill to include handicap parking, and perhaps also
 
some parking for short-term use (eg, no or limited overnight use).
 
However, I think the most important consideration is to prohibit parking
 
from being *bundled* with housing, because bundling *encourages* car use.
 
On 02/09/2026 10:43 AM EST David Booth <da...@dbooth.org> wrote:
 
On 2/9/26 08:02, Michael Chiu wrote:
 
The zero parking aspect of the general discussion re: Davis development
 
is one that doesn't quite make sense to me.
 
Understood that many people can live quite comfortably without owning a
 
car and this is easier due to proximity of public transport, bike lanes,
 
etc... This is great for them at that time in their life. However, life
 
and priorities can change; your job might move to the suburbs, you might
 
have to support an elderly parent or maybe you become disabled (or
 
old). If any of these happen, does it mean that you have to move out
 
as there are no options for a car?
 
If someone knowingly chose to live in a car-free apartment, and later
 
decides they want a car because of a job change, then they can move.
 
I'm okay with that.
 
Caring for a disabled person is different. I think it would be
 
reasonable for Copper Mill to include handicap parking, and perhaps also
 
some parking for short-term use (eg, no or limited overnight use).
 
However, I think the most important consideration is to prohibit parking
 
from being *bundled* with housing, because bundling *encourages* car use.
 
For many, cars aren't a convenience
 
or a form of recreation, they are a component of their livelihood.
 
Agreed. But I do not think we should make accommodations for car
 
reliant people to live virtually on top of a major public transport hub,
 
because that housing would much better serve people who are not car reliant.
 
Thanks,
 
David Booth
 
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<hu...@comcast.net>: Feb 09 10:56PM -0500

Are the questions Deb raises what people who fear the proposed project is out of scale with the current square are concerned about? It seems to me that this post poses questions that get at where the rubber hits the road (both literally and metaphorically) for this project. What will be the effects on the texture of life for all residents of Davis Square, both in the proposed tower and in the surrounding area? These questions at the very least deserve a careful, independent analysis.
 
Thank you, Deb, for raising these important points.
 
-Hume
 
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Subject: Re: [DSNC] 13-story and other alternatives for Copper Mill project
 
I’ve been following these conversations with interest, but haven’t commented yet. IMHO the car issue should not only be about parking, but more about the effect on street traffic of people with or without cars. 500 units are likely to generate hundreds of cars delivering food, packages, Uber/Lyft pickups/dropoffs, and so on, not to mention the problems that will be experienced by others who provide services to residents in the building when there’s not enough parking nearby, e.g. appliance repair people, home health aides, house cleaners, guests invited to a dinner party, and so on. Davis square is already experiencing the problem of cars double parking for pickups and deliveries, so I imagine what it will look like when hundreds more people needing services move in. I’d be interested in hearing others’ thoughts about this.
Best,
Deb
 
 
 
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Dan Ehrlich.dan <ehrli...@gmail.com>: Feb 10 08:51AM -0500

Parking / Social Engineering:
Actually we have the data and it proves the opposite. For renters in this
price range the average is slightly more than 1 car per unit.
One of the assets of living here is that, unlike NYC for example, people
can enjoy the countryside. If you have the money, you want a car.
 
Best,
Dan
 
Elizabeth Merrick <ebm...@comcast.net>: Feb 10 09:08AM -0500

Speaking of cars, even aside from the parking issue, I'm still trying to wrap my mind around what someone else brought up recently: the vehicle log jams and problems that would be created simply by deliveries, even apart from the park (which I believe is a serious issue ).
 
500 new households jammed into one block, I can just picture the Amazon, FedEx, UPS, USPS, grocery, restaurant and retail delivery vehicles on our narrow streets in Davis! How many ways can we say "out of scale for this neighborhood"!
 
Elizabeth Merrick
 
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To: Alan Moore <al...@pathfriends.org>
 
Cc: David Booth <da...@dbooth.org>; daviss...@googlegroups.com <daviss...@googlegroups.com>
 
Subject: Re: [DSNC] 13-story and other alternatives for Copper Mill project
 
Parking / Social Engineering:
 
Actually we have the data and it proves the opposite. For renters in this price range the average is slightly more than 1 car per unit.
 
One of the assets of living here is that, unlike NYC for example, people can enjoy the countryside. If you have the money, you want a car.
 
Best,
 
Dan
 
On Mon, Feb 9, 2026 at 5:19 PM Alan Moore <al...@pathfriends.org> wrote:
 
been reading all the month's posts with interest.
 
I agree with David and think these are important points to consider with regard to the car parking issue.
 
Does anyone have any data on car ownership at Assembly for residents there? With all the parking there, renters who require a car can choose there.
 
Alan
 
If someone knowingly chose to live in a car-free apartment, and later
 
decides they want a car because of a job change, then they can move.
 
I'm okay with that.
 
Caring for a disabled person is different. I think it would be
 
reasonable for Copper Mill to include handicap parking, and perhaps also
 
some parking for short-term use (eg, no or limited overnight use).
 
However, I think the most important consideration is to prohibit parking
 
from being *bundled* with housing, because bundling *encourages* car use.
 
On 02/09/2026 10:43 AM EST David Booth <da...@dbooth.org> wrote:
 
On 2/9/26 08:02, Michael Chiu wrote:
 
The zero parking aspect of the general discussion re: Davis development
 
is one that doesn't quite make sense to me.
 
Understood that many people can live quite comfortably without owning a
 
car and this is easier due to proximity of public transport, bike lanes,
 
etc... This is great for them at that time in their life. However, life
 
and priorities can change; your job might move to the suburbs, you might
 
have to support an elderly parent or maybe you become disabled (or
 
old). If any of these happen, does it mean that you have to move out
 
as there are no options for a car?
 
If someone knowingly chose to live in a car-free apartment, and later
 
decides they want a car because of a job change, then they can move.
 
I'm okay with that.
 
Caring for a disabled person is different. I think it would be
 
reasonable for Copper Mill to include handicap parking, and perhaps also
 
some parking for short-term use (eg, no or limited overnight use).
 
However, I think the most important consideration is to prohibit parking
 
from being *bundled* with housing, because bundling *encourages* car use.
 
For many, cars aren't a convenience
 
or a form of recreation, they are a component of their livelihood.
 
Agreed. But I do not think we should make accommodations for car
 
reliant people to live virtually on top of a major public transport hub,
 
because that housing would much better serve people who are not car reliant.
 
Thanks,
 
David Booth
 
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Colin McMillen <colin.m...@gmail.com>: Feb 10 11:14AM -0500

A thought experiment: how different would this be from a Plan B in which 500 units of housing are magically added *elsewhere* within the Davis neighborhood?
 
On average, people who live directly in the heart of Davis Square are probably *less* likely to order delivery than people who are living 10-15 minutes' walk away, because they live close enough that they can just drop down and pick something up within 5 minutes, rather than waiting longer for colder food and paying expensive delivery fees. So the double-parking in front of restaurants to pick up delivery orders might be *less* with the tower than if we added +500 units spread-out through the neighborhood. But you're absolutely right that the tower *itself* risks being a chokepoint if there's a rush of deliveries at peak time (which unfortunately, peak dinnertime significantly overlaps with peak commute hours).
 
I'd like to see a proposal that mitigates the potential effect of delivery vehicles while leaving the housing in place -- perhaps a hotel-like U-shaped driveway with something like 10 off-street short-term parking spots just for loading and unloading of deliveries and passenger pickup. That could help solve the potential vehicle-congestion problem without wasting a bunch of space on a giant parking lot.
 
Clearly the least-traffic option would be "don't add any housing at all", but that's a different argument and not one I could agree with.
 
(As a point of reference: according to census data, about 25,000 people live within the Davis square area, so if there's on average 2 people in 500 new units, that's +1000 residents and only a 4% expected increase in population & traffic compared to right now.)
 
Colin
 
On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, at 9:08 AM, 'Elizabeth Merrick ' via Davis Square Neighborhood Council wrote:
Elizabeth Merrick <ebm...@comcast.net>: Feb 10 11:23AM -0500

I haven't heard anybody propose a zero new affordable housing scenario. I feel like that's a straw man argument. There's a lot in between 0 and 500 units, large majority of which would be not affordable anyway.
 
I still think the intense concentration of the additional 500 households would create major problems within the square. I doubt there are 25,000 people who live right in Davis Square, they're obviously spread out around the area. Dispersion of new housing into smaller projects would be much preferable in my view. For many reasons. And how about not all 500 units of new housing need to be only in Davis.
 
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Cc: David Booth <da...@dbooth.org>; daviss...@googlegroups.com <daviss...@googlegroups.com>
 
Subject: Re: [DSNC] 13-story and other alternatives for Copper Mill project
 
A thought experiment: how different would this be from a Plan B in which 500 units of housing are magically added *elsewhere* within the Davis neighborhood?
 
On average, people who live directly in the heart of Davis Square are probably *less* likely to order delivery than people who are living 10-15 minutes' walk away, because they live close enough that they can just drop down and pick something up within 5 minutes, rather than waiting longer for colder food and paying expensive delivery fees. So the double-parking in front of restaurants to pick up delivery orders might be *less* with the tower than if we added +500 units spread-out through the neighborhood. But you're absolutely right that the tower *itself* risks being a chokepoint if there's a rush of deliveries at peak time (which unfortunately, peak dinnertime significantly overlaps with peak commute hours).
 
I'd like to see a proposal that mitigates the potential effect of delivery vehicles while leaving the housing in place -- perhaps a hotel-like U-shaped driveway with something like 10 off-street short-term parking spots just for loading and unloading of deliveries and passenger pickup. That could help solve the potential vehicle-congestion problem without wasting a bunch of space on a giant parking lot.
 
Clearly the least-traffic option would be "don't add any housing at all", but that's a different argument and not one I could agree with.
 
(As a point of reference: according to census data, about 25,000 people live within the Davis square area, so if there's on average 2 people in 500 new units, that's +1000 residents and only a 4% expected increase in population & traffic compared to right now.)
 
Colin
 
On Tue, Feb 10, 2026, at 9:08 AM, 'Elizabeth Merrick ' via Davis Square Neighborhood Council wrote:
 
Speaking of cars, even aside from the parking issue, I'm still trying to wrap my mind around what someone else brought up recently: the vehicle log jams and problems that would be created simply by deliveries, even apart from the park (which I believe is a serious issue ).
 
500 new households jammed into one block, I can just picture the Amazon, FedEx, UPS, USPS, grocery, restaurant and retail delivery vehicles on our narrow streets in Davis! How many ways can we say "out of scale for this neighborhood"!
 
Elizabeth Merrick
 
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To: Alan Moore <al...@pathfriends.org>
 
Cc: David Booth <da...@dbooth.org>; daviss...@googlegroups.com <daviss...@googlegroups.com>
 
Subject: Re: [DSNC] 13-story and other alternatives for Copper Mill project
 
Parking / Social Engineering:
 
Actually we have the data and it proves the opposite. For renters in this price range the average is slightly more than 1 car per unit.
 
One of the assets of living here is that, unlike NYC for example, people can enjoy the countryside. If you have the money, you want a car.
 
Best,
 
Dan
 
On Mon, Feb 9, 2026 at 5:19 PM Alan Moore <al...@pathfriends.org> wrote:
 
been reading all the month's posts with interest.
 
I agree with David and think these are important points to consider with regard to the car parking issue.
 
Does anyone have any data on car ownership at Assembly for residents there? With all the parking there, renters who require a car can choose there.
 
Alan
 
If someone knowingly chose to live in a car-free apartment, and later
 
decides they want a car because of a job change, then they can move.
 
I'm okay with that.
 
Caring for a disabled person is different. I think it would be
 
reasonable for Copper Mill to include handicap parking, and perhaps also
 
some parking for short-term use (eg, no or limited overnight use).
 
However, I think the most important consideration is to prohibit parking
 
from being *bundled* with housing, because bundling *encourages* car use.
 
On 02/09/2026 10:43 AM EST David Booth <da...@dbooth.org> wrote:
 
On 2/9/26 08:02, Michael Chiu wrote:
 
The zero parking aspect of the general discussion re: Davis development
 
is one that doesn't quite make sense to me.
 
Understood that many people can live quite comfortably without owning a
 
car and this is easier due to proximity of public transport, bike lanes,
 
etc... This is great for them at that time in their life. However, life
 
and priorities can change; your job might move to the suburbs, you might
 
have to support an elderly parent or maybe you become disabled (or
 
old). If any of these happen, does it mean that you have to move out
 
as there are no options for a car?
 
If someone knowingly chose to live in a car-free apartment, and later
 
decides they want a car because of a job change, then they can move.
 
I'm okay with that.
 
Caring for a disabled person is different. I think it would be
 
reasonable for Copper Mill to include handicap parking, and perhaps also
 
some parking for short-term use (eg, no or limited overnight use).
 
However, I think the most important consideration is to prohibit parking
 
from being *bundled* with housing, because bundling *encourages* car use.
 
For many, cars aren't a convenience
 
or a form of recreation, they are a component of their livelihood.
 
Agreed. But I do not think we should make accommodations for car
 
reliant people to live virtually on top of a major public transport hub,
 
because that housing would much better serve people who are not car reliant.
 
Thanks,
 
David Booth
 
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Christopher Beland <bel...@alum.mit.edu>: Feb 10 11:53AM -0500

On Wed, 2026-02-04 at 11:41 -0500, Victoria Antonino wrote:
> I’m terribly concerned with helping the people who live here to be able to stay here.  Let’s get that inclusionary number to 40% and have that conversation. 
 
Bumping the affordable housing from 25% to 40% would permanently cut $2 million per year from building rent, representing a 24% reduction in profit. I'm not sure how many people would keep doing the same job if their pay was cut by a quarter; that would be a huge ask.
 
-B.
David Booth <da...@dbooth.org>: Feb 10 12:15PM -0500

On 2/10/26 09:46, Michael Chiu wrote:
> of housing policy, but housecleaners need to park somewhere - tough to
> take your vacuum on the T.  Home health aides move between multiple
> patients a day, repair and maintenance folks too; . . .
 
Totally agree. I think we need to carefully distinguish
short-term/visitor parking from general purpose monthly parking. I
think it is important to include short-term/visitor parking.
 
> would not be able to hold a job that requires a car.  My preference is
> that we find a way to include these people too, not just from an
> affordability perspective, but from a practical/logistical one as well.
 
That worries me. If the building were to offer monthly parking for
residents who "need" cars for their jobs, I fear that such a system
would be far too easy to abuse, because almost anyone could make a
plausible argument for "needing" their car.
 
Thanks,
David Booth
Christopher Beland <bel...@alum.mit.edu>: Feb 09 09:12PM -0500

The city just updated its website to indicate we are now at step:
 
> 2. Local Comment Period (PAUSED)
 
> After Copper Mill has submitted their PEL application to Mass Housing and Mass Housing confirms it meets the submittal requirements, a 30-day review period begins where the City and community members can submit comments about the project. **At this time, Mass Housing has paused the comment period,** so the comment period is not open. When it restarts, they will provide the City and the community with additional days to provide comments due to the pause. Mass Housing controls the start, stop and any pauses of the comment period.
<<
 
(I got an automated email because I signed up for them.)
 
-B.
Harriotte Hurie <h.hurie...@gmail.com>: Feb 09 11:43AM -0500


 
hi friends in the Davis Square council,
 
If any of you have an iPhone, it won't work very well for you, but you could turn on the screen reading software known as voiceover. When you as a sighted person read each of these emails, your eyes can just skip right down to the message which might only be four lines long 2 lines long. However, for me as a blind computer user for some 35 years, I have no ability to do much more than line through all of the header and all of the footer to be sure I get the actual essence of the email. I think I finally understand why some groups actually have people make a digest of the actual essence of each email. It really is a hindrance to staying up-to-date with people's views and suggestions. I don't know if anyone would like to buddy with me and perhaps be the person to audio help me have a digest because I hardly think anyone is gonna take this on as a separate volunteer project. I bring it to you more as an educational insight. And thanks be there are very few blind people in the world in the United States because we have very good preventive medicine. Of course that can't be compounded by people who are in their latter years or just never had the time to learn to use computers and phone computers fluently. Keeping all this in mind, maybe All Of Us could notice that there is a kind of situation that brings up barriers for some of us.
 
Thank you for listening to my rent. I would be thrilled to hear from any of you directly. So bold am I that I will happily give you all my phone number for texting and it is: 6173061414
 
Appreciatively,
 
Harriet Hurie Ranvigfrom Harriet Ranvig In Davis Sqare is there as a blind person. I have to listen to each emails header and footerfrom Harriet Ranvig In Davis Sqare is there as a blind person. I have to listen to each emails header and footer..
 
On Feb 4, 2026, at 4:22 PM, 'Carol' via Davis Square Neighborhood Council <daviss...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
 
 Even worse as it only attacks singles or students.
 
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On Wednesday, February 4, 2026, 3:37 PM, Christopher Beland <bel...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
 
On Wed, 2026-02-04 at 19:42 +0000, Carol wrote:
 
As you all know, I am not in favor of a building that is so out of character for the neighborhood. I consider 26 stories as excessive.
 
How do you feel about the proposed alternative of 500 units in 13 stories?
 
-B.
 
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Jeff Byrnes

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Feb 12, 2026, 10:37:07 AM (7 days ago) Feb 12
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The City already has concepts for redesigning Davis, and I suspect more of that will emerge from the Area Plan process that Mayor Wilson has committed to restarting alongside Councilor Davis.

So I think the larger changes you allude to, Fred, will be worked out via that effort.

Then there’s that DSNC has an “Elmway Working Group” that’s focused on the Davis Sq portion of Elm Street, so there’s another opportunity to participate & help the City figure out what should happen next.

As for Copper Mill specifically, the permitting process, even for a 40B, has multiple opportunities for solving for specific needs, and per Chris Beland’s email earlier today, they’ve expressed commitment to doing that throughout the ZBA meetings required for a 40B, as well as out front of that process in community meetings they’re planning to hold, above & beyond what’s legally required.

We’ll have our chance to raise up these needs & work through how to accommodate them! 😊
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