Thanks Beth. I’ve got a small pile of similar stories & studies that show the same thing, I’ve shared them before & am happy to share again.Lee, one thing to note, you state:“To date, the City has not sponsored a single public meeting either on the pre-Covid draft of the Davis Sq Commercial Plan or on the Copper Mill project…”This is technically true. However, the Davis Sq Neighborhood Plan that preceded the Commercial Area Plan had multiple rounds of public engagement. Some were traditional meetings, others were “open house” or “science fair” style. The outcomes of that fed into the 2019 zoning overhaul, but the Plan itself was never ratified & then Covid hit.As for Copper Mill, they’ve not actually applied to the City to have this project permitted, so no meetings have been required, and thus the City has not held any. If they did proceed, that would trigger the required meetings.On the other hand, Copper Mill has held multiple meetings voluntarily, and is having another one in the near future at Crystal Ballroom. None of those were or are required.
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he/himOn Feb 24, 2026 at 3:45 PM -0500, Beth Kevles <bethk...@gmail.com>, wrote:This article may be of interest. It shows how new, high end residences open up space for lowest income tenants.
On Tue, Feb 24, 2026, 3:22 PM 'jlau...@comcast.net' via Davis Square Neighborhood Council <daviss...@googlegroups.com> wrote:Chris,It seems I never sent this response to your email of 2/11.1. Yes, Chris, there are, as you point out, many factors that an accountant specializing in real estate would analyze including, among others, the comparative tax consequences of a) the "double taxation" of maximizing profit, taxed at the corporate rate, and paying out the remaining proceeds as dividends taxed to recipient at the appropriate state and federal rates, versus b) stating internal costs so as to lower taxable profit and dividends and maximize the retirement of principal for future cross-collateralization or sale of the property. The legal structure of the company and relative weight of equity versus loan financing will have a bearing on the choices made. As a practical matter, the 10% cap on dividend payments in the 49B legislation is window dressing. The pro forma budget submitted by Copper Mill stretches every variable to the maximum-- $8M hard cost reserve, $5M soft cost reserve, $13M management fee.2. The approach to Copper Mill cannot be treated in isolation. As noted elsewhere in our discussions, on the even-numbered side of Elm Street we have a comparable stretch of frontage of 248.74 feet controlled by Asana Partners, with an additional 76.73 feet for which Asana has expressed an interest. Both Copper Mill and Asana were once happy with four-story zoning with an extra ten-foot allowance for lab space (= 65') plus up to twenty feet for a lab utility penthouse, plus parking. Recast as a residential project, this sort of height (up to 85 feet = 6 stories) is demonstrably viable for development, as evidenced in the unsubsidized Brabo proposal that won the DSNC Board's approval, or the Star Market 40B project with its 45% affordability mix, or indeed Copper Mill's previous lab proposal, or Scape's dorm proposal.3. PJ Santos has argued that even a generous midrise base would not justify the $42 million purchase price contingent on the City's acceptance of the 26-story Copper Mill 40B proposal. As I vaguely recall-- don't quote me on the exact number-- the current landlord was once willing to accept ~$10 million from Scape US (Andrew Flynn, CEO) contingent upon permitting for an unsubsidized dormitory residential project. So some figure between that and $42 million would probably have to be negotiated with the Dana family should Copper Mill (Andrew Flynn, CEO) explore a midrise 40B solution.4. It remains to be seen what vision of Davis Square will emerge from a return to the neighborhood planning process. The DSNC voted in late January that the City should assure that an agreed neighborhood plan precede any triggering of the 40B timetable. This is in harmony with stated commitments of Mayor Wilson and Councilor Davis to a transparent and participatory process. To date, the City has not sponsored a single public meeting either on the pre-Covid draft of the Davis Sq Commercial Plan or on the Copper Mill project, nor do the public comment timetables in the 40B provide for one. This is in stark contrast with due diligence on the full agenda of infrastructure, market, traffic, environmental, parking, legal, historical, architectural, health and safety conditions that have been part of high-rise planning in other parts of the City.Lee_________________
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Subject: Re: [DSNC] 13-story and other alternatives for Copper Mill projectOn Wed, 2026-02-11 at 11:43 -0500, JOSIAH AUSPITZ wrote:
In running real estate numbers, it is important to distinguish return on investment (ROI) from profit. A zero profit outcome can be quite acceptable, if the costs include retirement of loan principal and a generous management fee.
I'm not an accountant, so feel free to correct me or explain in more detail, but from what I can tell the financial projection in the 40B application assumes that Copper Mill will never retire the loan and will pay interest in perpetuity. That might not be what they actually plan to do if they are just making this pro forma to show the project is viable, but if they do pay down the loan they would need to temporarily give up some of the $8 million per year in cash the project would generate. A 25% slow-down in their ability to pay off their loan would also be a major hit, and create problems retrieving their equity later.
I BELIEVE THE PROPOSED LOAN IS FOR $169m @4.25% FOR 10 YEARS.There is a one-time "Developer Fee" of $13 million listed under construction costs. (That's just under the cap of $13.275 million set by something referred to as the "DHCD Qualified Allocation Plan".) But obviously if the building can generate $8 million/year in revenue, most of the value the developer is looking for comes from that and not the one-time profit from the construction process (which is still nothing to sneeze at).
Burdening the building with lots of deed restrictions on the amount of rent that can be charged makes it more difficult to sell the building and retreive equity. In order to sell, it has to have enough positive cash flow to recoup the purchase price in a reasonable amount of time, cover any mortgage the buyer needs to take out, and provide a profit large enough compared to the risk and other potential investments to make the venture worthwhile.
-B.
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