Re: Re:[Jal Vayu Vihar]2G Verdict !

[Wg Cdr Thomas Walker]

Well, I wish something is done to make sure the call rates are not hiked.

Government must force the SERVICE PROVIDERS to keep the charges at 0.5 Pulse Per min [cheapest in the World]

That's all. Period !

 

And other Processes can go on !!

 

TY

Best Regards

 

Wg Cdr Thomas Walker

http://www.wincowalker.com/

 

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From: Nancy Chacko

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Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2012 1:07 PM

Subject: Re:[Jal Vayu Vihar]2G Verdict !

If the service providers have paid money to the scamsters it will be recovered from the users, as is being done now. Indirectly the user is paying the scamster money that they do not deserve. The point is that the service providers could have paid the money to the Govt instead of the scamsters if the Govt had a correct policy. The users would still have to pay the current rates. The rates to users would not have changed. The added benefit to the common man would have been that the Govt coffers would have collected the money and probably reduced the deficit, inflation etc.......or the money could have been put to better use. It could also be milked through another scam. The courts have indirectly put the onus on the service providers to retrieve the money they gave to the scamsters. They could re-bid using the same money - but this time it goes to Govt coffers. If it is a zero sum game the cost to users should not increase. Johnson From: Wg Cdr Thomas Walker <winco...@gmail.com> To: jalvayu-viha...@commonfloor.com Sent: Sunday, 5 February 2012, 13:10 Subject: Re:[Jal Vayu Vihar]2G Verdict ! May be you are right ! But I think the cost of calls is going to rise quite a bit now !! Let us wait and see !!! May be the prices came down because of many players coming in and the resultant Competition. As far as scams of this nature is concerned it has been going on in our Democracy [as well as many other Countries] in not only in Telecom but many other Departments too in Center as well as State Governments. I don't think Sukh Ram or Mahajan or Arun Shourie were capable of being cleaner either. We need to stop All Corruption in All Spheres !!!! -- Wg Cdr Thomas Walker , Sector D, 507, Jal Vayu Vihar --------------- Already on this discussion ----------- Wg Cdr Thomas Walker said: Most of us now enjoy cheap Communication and Low Call Rates which may be due to the Current 2G licensing Policy of not Auctioning and Extracting maximum income to the Government's Coffers !   However in implementing this Policy severe Lapses have taken place by not prohibiting Corporate from reselling the Spectrum and making quick Profits. As in all Corrupt Practices Corporate is always in the Center and Corrupt Bureaucrats and Politicians become the Limbs and Brains of Corruption and the Common Man loses out always. The Media Highlights everything but not necessarily Clean and Straight Forward themselves. In our Democratic Setup Judiciary seems to always give the Final verdict but in Judiciary too all Judges are Neither Clean Or Incorruptible !!   As a Result after all the Heroics of Media and Mr. Swamy the Nett Outcome is Higher Costs for Public with No Clear Benefits passed on to the Common Man !!!   Also, what happens to giving land in Gujarat to Corporate at Rs 1 per Sq Ft and such Schemes by many States to Attract Corporate ? All these Schemes will also need to be investigated in days to come if CORRUPTION is to be weeded out of INDIA !!!!   Our Democracy needs to be Fine Tuned to make sure Constitution is Upheld , Corruption is weeded out [whether Corrupt outnumber Non-Corrupt or not] and Majority does not eat up the Rights of Minority [in the Tussle for Supremacy between The Legislature vs Judiciary vs Bureaucracy vs Media vs People's Welfare] !!!! Lt Col Prakash MJ said: Dear all I dont agree that first come first served has made  us enjoy cheap communications? Wgcdr walker is thinking that the corporates paid only what was declared in the govt liecence fee,what about the 25 times the licence amount coughed up by the corporates as bribes.Do you think the corporates are so foolish that they donot pass it on to the cosumers.Definetly nothing has come cheap only the netas made money.Mahatma Gandhi cried foul that Britishers were looting India,Now his own people are looting 50 times more We have jumped from frying pan to fire. with warm regards col prakash Wg Cdr Thomas Walker said: Come on, Telephone calls never used to be as insignificantly low charged as now ! ................................ Extracts from the article : Monetary Benefit to Consumers by the 2G scam accused telecom players : Rs 72,500 crore Prior to the entry of the new telecom players in the wake of 2G licenses, the cartel consisting of Airtel, Vodafone, and Idea had consistently manipulated prices in collusion with each other and to the detriment of the consumer. Since these three players enjoyed a dominant position in the market, consumers had little choice but to pay up the high tariffs set by the cartel. In fact, the situation had become alarming enough in 2007 for the Department of Telecommunications (DoT) to request the TRAI to fix a ceiling on tariffs. This had happened soon after a simultaneous 20 percent hike in tariffs by the three largest GSM operators – Airtel, Vodafone and Idea. And this was not the only occasion on which they had done so; in fact, this was a regular pattern of behavior on their part. That they have deep business relationship with each other is also borne out by the fact that they own and share the telecom towers of a single company, namely Indus Tower, and have entered into intra–circle roaming arrangement with each other in 3G services. The entry of the new players had made a severe dent in the profits of the dominant players by breaking their cartel and bringing down tariffs. Uninor’s hugely popular two paisa per minute scheme and Videocon’s zero paisa scheme can be cited as examples of how the new players contributed to bringing down the tariffs. This was obviously resented by the old players. The entanglement of the new players in the all-encompassing investigation net has enabled the cartel to regroup and strike a joint blow to consumer interest by effecting a steep hike in tariffs. Having killed competition by entangling the new telecom players in the 2G investigation net, the cartel is back to what it was accustomed to do in the past. This hike is just the beginning of upward revision in tariffs; more will follow, until the old days when the rates used to be revised by the members of the cartel in tandem with each other will be firmly back. The most dreadful consequence of this would be that the aam aadmi will lose his mobile phone, since he will not be able to afford the increased prices. . Capt Sankar Kumar said: The new licenses issued in 2008 for 122 companies contributed to only 6 percent of the total connections.They did not bring down the prices.The rest 94 percent were not among 122 licenses.Their competition is not which keeps price down..So tel calls low due to low 2g license price of 2008  is wrong. Also Swan sold to telenor at 7 times price.it did not use it for giving calls cheap. This propoganda is blatantly wrong Capt Kumar Wg Cdr Thomas Walker said: I just shared what is on the subject. If I have more info I'll put it up. Please read my original post and there is absolutely no propaganda for anyone corrupt. Wg Cdr Thomas Walker said: Country           Price Afghanistan            13p/min Australia                  1p/min Bangladesh             2p/min Bulgaria                   1.9p/min Canada                    0.5p/min China                       0.75p/min Egypt                      5p/min France                     1p/min Germany                 1p/min Ghana                      6p/min India                        0.5p/min Jamaica                    4p/min Nigeria                    4.79p/min Pakistan                   1p/min Poland                     0.69p/min Romania                  1p/min Russia                      1p/min Saudi Arabia           5p/min Spain                       1p/min Thailand                  1p/min Turkey                     1p/min Uganda                   5p/min U A E                      9p/min USA                        0.75p/min Lt Col Prakash MJ said: I dont think that prices fell because of UPA first come first served basis.How first come people were selected how they together looted is fully known in public domain.Prices of electronics goods are continuously falling Is it because of first come first looted or because of technology upgradation .There is no need to praise looters.Even going by the statistics provided by you canada with much less population is as cheap as India which has 1000 times the population of canada.But somehow a case is being made out to propogate the looters. with regards col prakash Looking for Tenants? 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