Sir Winston Churchill on USS Randolph

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Gary Santos

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May 4, 2017, 10:29:51 AM5/4/17
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I'm researching the history of the aircraft carrier USS Randolph. Winston Churchill visited the USS Randolph on October 26, 1958 in Canne, France. Supposedly, this was his first visit to a US warship since the end on WWII. Does anybody have background information of this event?

Neil Coates

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Churchill was visiting the Reeves villa, La Pausa, in the Alpes-Maritimes Department of France on the Mediterranean at the time.  In a letter to Clementine dated 22 October 1958 he wrote:

 

“We are examining the possibility of going to lunch next Sunday upon the Randolph, an American aircraft carrier.  They have the idea that they can pick us up in one of their special helicopters and drop us on the ship itself.  We have invited the Captain and his wife to lunch on Friday to look into the possibilities.  I have never been in a helicopter, and would like to make a voyage which would certainly save a great deal of toil.”

 

The luncheon appointment came to fruition as Churchill says in his letter of thanks to Wendy Reeves for her hospitality on his return to London:

 

“… my stay at Pausaland … was really most delightful, and I think our helicopter journey to the giant American ship was an exhilarating incident.  I must say I admired your courage at close quarters to the machine, and I am sure that on patriotic grounds you must have enjoyed this day above all others.”

 

Winston S. Churchill by Martin Gilbert, volume VII ‘Never Despair’ 1945—1965, Heinemann, London, 1988 pp 1279, 1281

 

Wendy Reeves was an American philanthropist, socialite and fashion model.  At the time she was the mistress of Emery Reeves, Churchill’s literary agent, whom she later married.

 

USS Randolph, was the second US Navy ship named for Peyton Randolph, President of the First Continental Congress.  She was built as an Essex class aircraft carrier commissioned 9 October 1944.  She was awarded three Battle Stars in the Pacific Theatre in WW2.  After the war she was refitted as an attack carrier, CVA and at the time of her fifth Mediterranean deployment 2 September 1958 to 12 March 1959 was designated as anti-submarine, CVS.

 

As part of the NASA Mercury Project she was a recovery ship for the splashdown of Virgil Grissom and of John Glenn.

 

Thank you for highlighting an interesting interlude in Churchill’s later life.

                                                                    

 

Neil H Coates

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Doug Russell

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May 5, 2017, 8:06:22 AM5/5/17
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Well done Neil.  Doug Russell




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Neil Coates

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May 7, 2017, 2:09:50 AM5/7/17
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I didn’t quite answer the question.

 

It appears that this was Churchill’s first and only visit to a US warship post WW2. Scanning the WSC official biographies volumes VI, VII and VIII there are no post war index references to US warships other than USS Randolph.  There may be references in specialised works or in archives but I  cannot recall any circumstances when this may have happened.  I’m sure that any such visit would have been significant enough to have been included in the official biography.

 

During WW2 Roosevelt was aboard USS Iowa and Churchill  aboard HMS Prince of Wales for the Atlantic Charter meeting in Placentia Bay in 1941 when they exchanged visits.  Roosevelt travelled aboard USS Quincy to the Mediterranean in February 1945 when Churchill visited him aboard at Malta and at Alexandria.  Truman had USS Augusta at Plymouth in July 1945 for the Potsdam meeting but it does not appear that Churchill went aboard then.

 

Upon reflection it is surprising that given Churchill’s interest and involvement in many technological advances such as aeronautics and the development of the tank and other military appliances that this must have been his one and only flight in a helicopter.

 

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Doug Russell

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May 7, 2017, 9:43:11 AM5/7/17
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Look at OB VI, p. 1158.  FDR was on the USS Augusta, not the USS Iowa.  Sorry to be difficult on this matter.




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rae bell

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There is a photo of the visit available online:  http://navalwarfare.blogspot.ca/2010/10/uss-randolph-cv-15-cva-15-cvs-15.html  

Lee Pollock

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Neil Coates

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Yes, of course.  I didn’t think it was right as I typed it – please put it down to misreading my jottings.  Thanks.

Neil Coates

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This is a great shot.  It is good to see Churchill had not lost his well-known penchant for hats.  Wearing an RN officers cap with gingerbread might be considered a trifle cheeky!

 

Neil H Coates

 

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Antoine Capet

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Just heard that a new "Churchill film" is due to be shown in French cinemas
from 31 May :

"Churchill", directed by Jonathan Teplitzky with Brian Cox as Churchill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfiNCnEZz2w

Any previews in other parts of the world ? Any early comments ?

A.C.

Antoine Capet,
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CERCLES reviews : http://www.cercles.com/review/reviews.html
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David Freeman

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Our review of the film appears next week in the Churchill Bulletin and in the forthcoming issue of Finest Hour.

Alas, the film is no good.
 
David Freeman


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Gary Santos

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May 14, 2017, 11:08:21 PM5/14/17
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Thank you all. This is what I have from the Randolph's perspective:

Churchill visits the Randolph

Graves, William S. Naval History; Annapolis3.4 (Fall 1989): 21.


The atmosphere on the bridge of the USS Randolph (CVA-15) was quiet and concentrated. The giant aircraft carrier was entering a foreign port and was minutes away from dropping her anchor. The captain's attention was fully occupied with bits of information coming at him from many different sources.


To interrupt him now was simply not done. The messenger of the watch had some difficult moments, staring in disbelief at the phone in his hand. "Are you sure you want to interrupt him now, sir? We're about to drop the hook," he asked the officer on the other end of the line.


"It's important," came the answer.


The young sailor swallowed hard. "Ensign Rammrath would like to speak to the captain." Captain Bernard "Smoke" Strean knew his public information officer to be assertive-which he liked-but his timing certainly needed some adjustment; this might be the time to do it.


He took the phone. "Yes, Rammrath!" His eyes squinted shut behind his sunglasses as he listened.


"Sir Winston Churchill and Brigitte Bardot both live here in Cannes. Do you mind if I ask them aboard for lunch?" The captain culled some answers that the young ensign would remember for awhile, but decided they would have to wait. "Hell yes, I mind.


Don't do it." He let it go at that.


It was October 1958, and it had been a hectic fall in the Mediterranean.


The past two weeks at sea had been grueling. The captain had been on the bridge almost constantly. Flying 16 hours a day took its toll on everyone.

The last three days, they had been operating around the clock. Like the crew, Captain Strean was looking forward to this eight-day visit to Cannes. His wife was ashore waiting for him.


The giant ship shook as the engines backed...

Ken Mendel

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On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 9:29:51 AM UTC-5, Gary Santos wrote:
I'm researching the history of the aircraft carrier USS Randolph. Winston Churchill visited the USS Randolph on October 26, 1958 in Canne, France. Supposedly, this was his first visit to a US warship since the end on WWII. Does anybody have background information of this event?

Just ran across your post while doing some research of my own.  I am now the Secretary/Editor of the USS Randolph Reunion Association.  We meet once a year. This year we will be in Kissimmee, FL on Sept. 23-30.  On October 26, 1958 I was an Airman on the USS Randolph.  When we were in port, I was the Captain's driver.  Earlier in October, 1958 I had driven the Randolph CO, Captain Strean & his wife Janet to the Reeves villa for lunch with Churchill.  On the 26th I led his limo to our helicopter at the Nice Airport and helped him aboard,.  Attached is a brief article I wrote for our newsletter several years ago.

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Richard Langworth

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Some further notes on helicopters and USS Randolph.

“I have never been in a helicopter” is in Winston S. Churchill, vol. 8, Never Despair 1945-1965 (Hillsdale College Press, 2013), 


Wendy Reves, “The Man Who was Here,” Finest Hour 63, 2nd Quarter 1989:

            I remember . . . our helicopter ride together. It was his first, and mine also. He was to be the honored guest aboard the Randolph, an aircraft carrier. He loved unusual happenings, and this was certainly one. My husband Emery, Sir Winston, his bodyguard Detective Sergeant Murray and I drove to the Nice airport, where we found two Navy helicopters awaiting us. The plan was that Sgt. Murray would go with Sir Winston in one machine, and Emery and I in the other. Then, without warning, Sir Winston said, “No! Wendy comes with me.” And so it was. The helicopter was a rough and raw model, sternly navy with no comforts. The pilot, feeling I think his moment of greatness, lofted us up so quickly and so roughly that we were both startled. I looked across at Sir Winston, and there before me was the young, valiant Churchill, courageous, with his chin jutting forward. It was as though he had suddenly shed 50 years, and was once again squarely facing a challenge: a split second only ... a memory.

 

Martin Gilbert, Churchill: A Life, 954:

            The helicopter ride was “an exhilarating incident,’ he told Wendy Reves, who accompanied him.

 

Edmund Murray, I Was Churchill’s Bodyguard, 160:

            On trips abroad, especially to the French Riviera, we invariably had trouble with too many enthusiastic photographers and reporters. On the 1952 trip, one of the newer weapons of the fourth estate, the helicopter, was employed to spy on Churchill while he painted in the seclusion of the Caponcina grounds. But he was quite unperturbed for, as he heard the chattering of the machine overhead, he commented, “I may fly home in a helicopter too.”

            “Would you wish to land in the Festival Grounds, Sir?”

            “No,” said he, “on the Horse Guards Parade. Why not?” Chuckle, chuckle. He did not do so, however, and in fact, his first ride in a helicopter did not take place until some four or five years later when the American Navy picked us up at Nice Airport to carry us to the United States carrier Randolph, part of the Mediterranean Fleet, for dinner. It was a superb evening and I was told that permission had been obtained from the White House or the Pentagon, for champagne, whisky and cocktails to be served, probably for the very first time since the American Navy went dry.

 

Second Helo Ride, May 1959

            Pilpel, Churchill in America, 268:

            On Wednesday, the sixth, Eisenhower took Churchill to have a look at his Gettysburg farm. They traveled by helicopter from Washington, which gave Winston a chance to inspect the Civil War battlefield from the air en route.

 

            Anthony Montague Browne, Long Sunset, 261:

            We had flown with the President by helicopter to his Gettysburg farm, and after the visit had hovered over the battlefield with the curator of the museum. All had been astounded that WSC could pick out with the utmost accuracy the main features of that terrible engagement: Round Top Hill, Pickett’s charge, with their distances and significance, were fluently and dramatically described. WSC had walked many of the Civil War battlefields and his descriptions are very close to the greatest of his prose. It was a triumph for a very old man.

 

            Mary Soames, Speaking for Themselves, CSC to WSC, 7 May 1959:

            “Not one word from you & Anthony after the short message announcing your safe arrival - However I follow your doings in the Press - I am so very glad you went to see Mr Dulles & General Marshall, & what fun the helicopter must have been!”

 

Churchill on Helicopters (seems there was nothing he didn't contemplate....)

            15 July 1953. From Moran, Struggle for Survival

            “He was troubled often with fluids going down the wrong way. Turning to Clemmie after one of these bouts of coughing, he said: ‘You see, dear, we have a turnstile in our throat, and it is so arranged that traffic is bound to go the right way, until things go wrong.’ He showed me a memorandum that he had written on helicopters. When they were 300 feet from the ground or less, if the engine cut out or the propeller came off there was a nasty crash. His memorandum contained suggestions to meet that contingency; the propeller was to be hollow, and in the hollow there was a parachute. He had sent his paper to the Prof. for his comments.”


           Gilbert, Never Despair, 772: “He also wanted to know, on another occasion, why a parachute could not be deployed by a helicopter, should the engine fail, and thus float down in safety!” [The paper, 1943, is referenced in The Churchill Documents, vol. 18, Hillsdale, 2015.]

 

            Paul Alkon, Winston Churchill’s Imagination, 60:

            “Knowing as we now do how and to what effect helicopters evolved from autogiros later in the twentieth century, we can see that Churchill was right to identify the advent of what he calls wingless flight as a noteworthy milestone in the history of aviation. As someone whose own flying lessons had taught him firsthand the difficulties of landing conventional aircraft, he is quick to appreciate the advantages of a different method of getting back to the ground. It is easier to see now that Churchill is a little over­ optimistic in supposing that landing disasters would thereby be almost entirely eliminated, and wildly overoptimistic in jumping to the conclusion that via autogiros flying will be taken up by “the millions just as the cheap motor car is used to-day;’ thus relegating airports to a minor role in aerial transportation. Three years later Churchill is a more somber prophet in his 1938 essay “The Effect of Air Transport on Civilization.”

         

Pedantic nit: Emery's surname name is not “Reeves” but Reves (from the original Hungarian Imre Révész). The possessive is “Reves’s.” 


Richard M Langworth CBE
Hillsdale College
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