Re: [Biochar] BiCRS

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Ronal Larson

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Feb 2, 2021, 11:40:59 PM2/2/21
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Albert and two lists:

I concur.  

The biggest biochar fan was Dr. Cynthia Rosenzweig. (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_E._Rosenzweig) - perhaps because she has been trained in Ag areas.  She has worked for her whole career at NASA, with emphasis on climate topics.  She .was in as a respondent - not as an author.

I was disappointed that they didn’t give biochar as much potential in 2050 as I think we’ll see.  But it was a bit more than some others.  I don’t think sandy of the authors would qualify asa biochar specialists;  the purpose here was maybe to save biomass, given the lack of enthusiasm these days for BECCS.

Much of the discussion was in justifying BiCRS as a new term.  I see no reason for biochar authors to switch to this - but it is certain to cause fewer papers with BECCS in the title.  This is a better than average group to be behind biochar.

Ron

On Feb 2, 2021, at 6:55 PM, Albert Bates <alb...@thefarm.org> wrote:

Columbia University's Center on Global Energy Policy had a 90 minute Zoom today on "Biomass Carbon Removal and Storage," from which my main takeaways are that BECCS is out, biochar and bio-oils from unloved biomass is in, along with OSB, strawbale buildings, and wooden skyscrapers. The panel featured Nobuo Tanaka, David Sandalow, @RogerAines, @CarbonWrangler, @DrCMcCormick, @Dan_L_Sanchez, @hollyjeanbuck & Cynthia Rosenzweig. The video will be posted in a week or so to

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5vAhRqHufSZNB9coZG5t6Q

In the meantime, the Jan 2021 BiCRS (pronounced "bikers") Innovation Roadmap Report is a free (5MB) download: https://www.icef-forum.org/roadmap/#bicrs.

Albert

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Anderson, Paul

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Feb 3, 2021, 1:47:38 AM2/3/21
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I, too, attended the BiCRS presentation.   Very well presented.  

 

BiCRS can be define as any carbon removal efforts (but preferably those with longer-term storage) that has a biology origin of the carbon dioxide removal.   This includes the older name of   BECCS because it comes from burning biomass.

 

BiCRS only excludes the fully “engineered solutions” chemistry-based CDRs of DAC and EW and maybe some ocean efforts.

 

Any reference to BiCRS that does not include all CDR methods that have origins as photosynthesis will require some  explanation as to which CDR method(s) is/are actually being  discussed, from tree growth to structures made of wood to soil organic carbon to BECCS to biochar to ocean plant life.   BiCRS means all that is based on plant growth, and we have a name for that, which is nature-based CDR or “Plant Growth CDR.”

 

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Benoit Lambert

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Feb 3, 2021, 7:22:55 AM2/3/21
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Thank you!, I will read the final BiCRS report I had no news of. 


Here was my conclusive paragraph:

BiCRS is a promising concept. But for now this roadmap paper falls short of an adequate picture of biomass sinks’ potential. It also has lines of discussion, as bio-liquid and pellets, or geological storage, we would question—some authors believe geological storage is far from being 1000 years safe as you write. The cascading co-benefits coming with technologies as biochar or planned grazing, compare to other options, shall be part of the discussion. Financial decision taken today will have consequences for decades to come. The carbon-sinks field is growing rapidly, following it is almost a full time job. It involves reading demanding scientific publications, even if good books for a larger public are now available, from Chelsea Green Publishing in Vermont among others. 


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Albert Bates

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Feb 3, 2021, 9:35:57 AM2/3/21
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Y'all,

The first finding of the BiRCS roadmap is this:

Existing analyses suggest 2.5-5.0 GtCO2/y of global potential by midcentury without environmental damage or negative impacts on food security. This estimate is based on currently available waste biomass, working land, infrastructure, and agricultural and forestry technologies. With innovations in biomass conversion, technology-enabled biomass tracking, and agricultural and forestry practices, this figure could be even larger.

I would submit (and did in my book, BURN) that it is definitely larger but these numbers offer a good, competitive, starting wedge, enough to begin scaling BiCRS. The second finding is:

Bioenergy with carbon capture and storage (BECCS) has received considerable attention in the climate change literature. But other ways to use biomass to sequester CO2 for the long-term are emerging. They include long- lived products (e.g., biochar), biomass conversion and disposal (e.g., biomass to bioliquids followed by deep geological injection), and direct transfer of biomass far away from atmospheric reach (e.g., deep-ocean disposal of macroalgae).

This is a good start in recognizing issues of storage that CCS has grappled with and biochar and bio-oils relieve. One of the dumber things I heard in the webinar was the idea of pyrolyzing waste and pumping it as oil into the ground. This suffers most of the same negatives as pumping CO2 underground, with the addition that many toxic components will potentially be in that waste. Why do that when even C-oil pyrolyzed from polymers can be incorporated (with multiple benefits) into useful fibers, compounds, hardscape, etc.? There is no mention in the roadmap of the possibility of oil refinery conversion at scale to transform carbon wastes. Pumping it underground is a costly bad idea. I also have questions about the validity of deep-ocean disposal of (labile) carbon, given that the biological pump knows no such bounds.

Albert

On 2/3/21 7:12 AM, Benoit Lambert wrote:
Albert and all,

Thank you!, I will read the final BiCRS report I had no news of. 


Here was my conclusive paragraph:

BiCRS is a promising concept. But for now this roadmap paper falls short of an adequate picture of biomass sinks’ potential. It also has lines of discussion, as bio-liquid and pellets, or geological storage, we would question—some authors believe geological storage is far from being 1000 years safe as you write. The cascading co-benefits coming with technologies as biochar or planned grazing, compare to other options, shall be part of the discussion. Financial decision taken today will have consequences for decades to come. The carbon-sinks field is growing rapidly, following it is almost a full time job. It involves reading demanding scientific publications, even if good books for a larger public are now available, from Chelsea Green Publishing in Vermont among others. 
Dr. Benoit Lambert
Founder and President / Fondateur et président
Cbiochar Inc., https://cbiochar.com
555 Ch. Réal, n° 105, 
Sutton, QC, Canada, J0E 2K0
BioGéoThérapiste, auteur/blog https://cologie.wordpress.com 
Membre: Stratégie énergétique, biosphère et société, Genève
Reviewer/réviseur IPCC/GIEC, Working Group I (WGI), Sixth Assessment Report (AR6), in particular Chap. 5 Carbon dioxide removal methods/biochar.
Tel: 450 775 7444


Le 2 févr. 2021 à 23:40, Ron Larson via groups.io <rongretlarson=comca...@groups.io> a écrit :

Albert and two lists:

I concur.  

The biggest biochar fan was Dr. Cynthia Rosenzweig. (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynthia_E._Rosenzweig) - perhaps because she has been trained in Ag areas.  She has worked for her whole career at NASA, with emphasis on climate topics.  She .was in as a respondent - not as an author.

I was disappointed that they didn’t give biochar as much potential in 2050 as I think we’ll see.  But it was a bit more than some others.  I don’t think sandy of the authors would qualify asa biochar specialists;  the purpose here was maybe to save biomass, given the lack of enthusiasm these days for BECCS.

Much of the discussion was in justifying BiCRS as a new term.  I see no reason for biochar authors to switch to this - but it is certain to cause fewer papers with BECCS in the title.  This is a better than average group to be behind biochar.

Ron

On Feb 2, 2021, at 6:55 PM, Albert Bates <alb...@thefarm.org> wrote:

Columbia University's Center on Global Energy Policy had a 90 minute Zoom today on "Biomass Carbon Removal and Storage," from which my main takeaways are that BECCS is out, biochar and bio-oils from unloved biomass is in, along with OSB, strawbale buildings, and wooden skyscrapers. The panel featured Nobuo Tanaka, David Sandalow, @RogerAines, @CarbonWrangler, @DrCMcCormick, @Dan_L_Sanchez,@hollyjeanbuck & Cynthia Rosenzweig. The video will be posted in a week or so to 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5vAhRqHufSZNB9coZG5t6Q

In the meantime, the Jan 2021 BiCRS (pronounced "bikers") Innovation Roadmap Report is a free (5MB) download: https://www.icef-forum.org/roadmap/#bicrs.

Albert

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