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Herb
I find it hard to say how much the temperature would change to a change of atmospheric methane concentration. It depends on so much else, like other GHG concentrations and aerosols, which also provide a climate forcing. Also, Mann and Hansen’s disagreement adds further (long term) uncertainty.
It’s (something like) we’re in a car and atmospheric methane is a turbocharger. But we don’t know if we’ll take our foot off the gas, or how quickly we’ll slow down if we do, and that’s partly because we don’t know if we’re going downhill yet or not, or if there’s a cliff edge ahead that we’re about to drive off (cascading tipping points) – and if there is, how far off that is.
It’s easier to think in terms of climate forcings. Force produces acceleration (or deceleration by force of braking). Forster (and IPPC) say the additional methane since preindustrial produces a forcing of 0.56 W/m2. The current energy imbalance (according to Hansen) is about 1.3 W/m2. Halving methane by strengthening the atmosphere’s oxidative capacity (AOC) would reduce its forcing to around 0.28 W/m2. That’s a weak cooling compared to MCB, which according to Alan Gadian if done to extreme could induce another ice age. Given that the forcing since preindustrial is about 3 W/m2, Gadian’s extreme MCB would need to reverse the current energy imbalance to at least -1.7 W/m2. That would produce rapid cooling, but the oceans would still take decades to cool back down to preindustrial. Given that West Antarctic ‘passed its point of no return’ in 2014 we might need to go quite a bit cooler than preindustrial to stabilize it, and by inference, sea level.
SAI could also do it, but as you know Franz and I prefer MCB because it also strengthens the AOC, instead of weakening it. Franz thinks SAI would produce a significant AOC weakening, so methane would build up faster than it does today. Others have said SAI would not affect the AOC much.
That’s how I understand it.
Clive
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Hi Herb--I'm afraid it is the latter of your two
options for virtually every paper.
I would note that on the methane reduction approach, the iron salt aerosol proponents do offer a cost estimate of what it would take and there is the announcement a Swiss company that it is going to make a go at it (see https://amr.earth). Note that they are a company, and they have the view they will have more latitude to proceed than other entities such as academic or international organizations.
Best, Mike
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