In mast furling probs

[Nick Williams]

Hello Beneteau-Owners,

Having trouble with in-mast furling, the mechanical gear is ok but suspect stretched main sail may be the problem, but in my opinion the furling design should allow for this.  Anybody have any suggestions?

Best regards,

                         

Nick Williams

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[Mark Stillwell]

Nick,

 

What boat and what kind of problems?  My furling main was to the  point I could only pull it out about half way by hand then had to winch it the rest of the way out. I replaced the inhaul line this spring. Now works great.

 

Mark & Suzanne
"Dragonfly" B331
http://home.att.net/~dragonflyb331/

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I agree, the furling line generally is the problem with furling mains.  I have heard it over and over again.

Bill

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I replace the line every 2 years.  Problem solved.

Bill

 

Jack Rose IV  Oceanis 381

[Peter Binda]

Replacing the furling line is a good idea, but you should remove the furling
drum and have it rebuilt every 3 years or so. By the end of last season it
was impossible to get
the main out. My 473 has a US Spar mast. I sent it (the drum) to them, they
replaced the ball bearings
and put on a new furling line for under $100. Check out the web site

usspars.com

Peter

s/v "Silver Sea" B473 #21

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Nick

What is exactly the problem?

 

Ami

B473

Once in a Blue Moon

Glen Cove, NY

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Guys

Very important to give the Main sheet and the traveler a little slack before unfurling

Helps the main come out easier and less strain on the sail

 

Ami

B473

Once in a Blue Moon

Glen Cove, NY

[Nick Williams]

Hello AShebiro

The boat is a b411 (2000) the exact problem is furling and unfurling the main, i have to help the sail out by hand by pulling on the foot of the sail.  When furling i need the help of a winch, this happens even in a no wind situation.  The sail appears to bunch slightly as it furls and this slight folding of the cloth appears to cause a jam especially when unfurling.  The vertical position of the boom seems very critical in trying to bet a good equal centre of pull on leech and foot.

The gap thru which the sail exits the mast is quite tight approx 1.5 cm ! .  The gear otherwise works ok.  Have tried various tensions on the main halyard with no success.  Have considered that maybe over tightened back stays are putting strain on the main sail furling mandrel, and that, combined with some 'belly' in the sail could be causing the problem??  I guess when all else fails I'll have to get the sail off and have its dimensions checked.  But as i say in my original email I would be surprised if this is the case (may be not!!!)  Conventional main sail systems of course will never get this problem, i.e. a worn sail is not an issue.  Food for thought ??!! 

Thanks to all for any help. and any further suggestions.

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Monday, April 2, 2007, 4:35:22 AM, you wrote:

Aac> Nick

Aac> What is exactly the problem?

Aac>  

Aac> Ami

Aac> B473

Aac> Once in a Blue Moon

Aac> Glen Cove, NY

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[Nick Williams]

Hello 

Picking up on suggestions of changing the furling line.  Can you please advise what the problem was with your original line? My furling lines look good, the furling line that wraps around the worm gear looks tidy as it wraps.  A i missing something such as stretch which may not be obvious to the eye?

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Nick                         

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Sunday, April 1, 2007, 9:25:00 PM, you wrote:

bac> I agree, the furling line generally is the problem with

bac> furling mains.  I have heard it over and over again.

bac>  Bill

  

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bac> Nick,

  

bac>  

  

bac> What boat and what kind of problems?  My furling main was

bac> to the   point I could only pull it out about half way by hand

bac> then had to winch it  the rest of the way out. I replaced the

bac> inhaul line this spring. Now works  great.

  

bac>  

  

bac> Mark & Suzanne

bac>  "Dragonfly" B331

bac> http://home.att.net/~dragonflyb331/

  

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bac> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 1:52 PM

  

bac> Subject: {Beneteau Owners} In mast furling probs

  

  

bac> Hello Beneteau-Owners,

  

  

bac> Having trouble with in-mast furling, the mechanical gear is

bac> ok but suspect  stretched main sail may be the problem, but in my

bac> opinion the furling design  should allow for this.  Anybody have

bac> any suggestions?

  

  

  

bac> Best regards,

  

bac>                          

  

bac> Nick Williams

  

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[Richard Donovan Jr.]

           Nick

Although I don’t have the furling main on our 473, I have read on this list before that the furling line “swells” up as it gets old and then causes a binding inside the mast/drum area because the furling lines diameter is larger than it was new.

 

Rick Donovan  

 

 

[Hampton]

Nick,

Appreciate your post as your description closely matches the problems we've encountered with the furling main on our 2003 B331. 

In '04 we removed and cleaned the bearings on the drum and replaced the furling line in '04 when the problem first surfaced and this did restore the original freedom of movement.  At that time we found the drum had a gummy deposit like old grease on the bearings and I had only used dry lube per the dealers recommendation.  Also note, I  always flush the assembly before and after going out with fresh water and release the main sheet fully when unfurling as the boom angle definitely affects the operation.

Problems resurfaced last summer and I'll be very interested in hearing what the group has to say. 

Roger

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Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: In mast furling probs

[Capt Brian]

Not only does it grow in diameter with age as it streches and
releases, it swells with dampness so if it's old and wet or damp that
could be a problem. I have a conventional system but on the furling
main isn't the mast straight meaning not raked back as a convetional
system would be? Maybe you need more tension on the leech of the
sail?

Capt Brian

On Apr 2, 6:23 am, "Richard Donovan Jr." <sailorr...@verizon.net>
wrote:

[Ivars]

The furling mast should be plumb ( straight / in column ). Any bend in the
mast creates a "chord" ( remember your math ) which causes the sail to
bind with the interior of the mast.

Rake is the rotation of the mast away from the vertical. A furling mast
can be raked as long as it remains in column (straight) Rake is used to
balance the helm.

Mast bend is to bend the mast into a curve, not good for furling mains.

Stretched / blown out sails can create a lot of wrinkles during furling.
These wrinkles cause the sail to build up more thickness / diameter of
the "roll". The larger diameter roll of a stretched furled sail is more
likely to bind with the limited space inside a furling mast.

Bearings and their races in any furling system are subject to wear / damage
decreasing their performance. What may seem to be minor wear translates
into " inoperable" under load. Most furler manufacturers will rebuild
them at a nominal cost. There comes a point when no amount of cleaning or
lubricating will restore like new operation. Recently I replaced my upper
genoa swivel. It's operation is like new now. It was easier and more
cost effective to buy a new swivel than to send off the old for repair. (
which I can now do since I have a spare )

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> From: Capt Brian <bria...@hotmail.com>
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> Date: 4/2/2007 9:31:42 AM

> Subject: {Beneteau Owners} Re: In mast furling probs
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[djmarcus]

how does one remove the in-mast furling system?

Don
B411 #05 - Nautilus

Hampton wrote:
> Nick,
> Appreciate your post as your description closely matches the
> problems we've encountered with the furling main on our 2003 B331.
> In '04 we removed and cleaned the bearings on the drum and replaced
> the furling line in '04 when the problem first surfaced and this did
> restore the original freedom of movement. At that time we found the
> drum had a gummy deposit like old grease on the bearings and I had
> only used dry lube per the dealers recommendation. Also note, I
> always flush the assembly before and after going out with fresh water
> and release the main sheet fully when unfurling as the boom angle
> definitely affects the operation.
> Problems resurfaced last summer and I'll be very interested in hearing
> what the group has to say.
> Roger
>

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[Bob C]

You can download that info at www.usspars.com

 

Bob C

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The furling mast on our 361 comes from Charleston
Spars. Is there a connection between the two
companies?

Thanks
Lynn Greentree
B361 Dolphin Tales

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>Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:14:54 -0400

[Michael Edwards]

Hi I own a Oceanis 40 Z Spar furling mast Everstrom furling main with vertical battens. The boat is new in Nov 2011. Since I've used the boat the furling system has been nothing more than a nightmare on water. What I cannot understand is that the manufacture of the mast states on their web page DO NOT USE VERTICAL BATTENS yet Beneteau continue to supply their boats with furling sails with vertical battens. On my sail I've tried everything to overcome the problem with the sail jamming in the mast. I did a dimension check and found the following. The width of the slot is 12.54mm the thickness of the sail at the batten entry point into the batten pocket is 13.54mm, that's with the following thickness plies, batten, sail, batten pocket, Velcro holding tabs batten end caps (all as supplied with the boat) Some times the batten goes into into the furling compartment with the batten parallel to the slot then on other occasions the batten enters through the slot at an angle. I've lost battens with the batten pocket being torn at the batten entry point on the pocket and now I'm in a situation where the sail is jammed at the batten nearest the clew. The only way or means provided to unjam the sail is with using the companionway winches. On this jam I was forced to use the winches and in doing so the jammed partly furled sail actually jumped out of the mast furling compartment it is not able to be pushed back into the furling compartment. As a result of the sail jumping out of the mast the slot is forced open from the original 12.54 mm to about 26mm and is holding the popped out part of the sail like a vice grip. I now have to take the mast down and see if it can be repaired. Like I said its a nightmare. Do any of the readers have similar tales to tell.

[Jeff Koch]

I've used furling masts for almost twenty years and recently spent time
on a Beneteau 47 with vertical battens and had initial problems similar
to yours.

There are three keys to success with furling mains - including vertical
battens.

1. When unfurling the main be sure to let out a substantial amount of
main sheet. The boom is going to want to rise to allow the sail to
unfurl evenly from bottom to top. If the main sheet is tight the sail
will be pulled out with all the stress at the bottom. This can cause the
middle and top of the sail to get hung up inside the mast. When the boom
is allowed to rise the outhaul will then pull the sail out evenly.

2. Very important - when unfurling have someone hold the furling line
and put tension on it. The more tension the better. The point is to
insure that you maintain a tight wrap inside the sail. If the sail has a
loose wrap you'll get multiple folds, bunches and creases jamming the
mast slot. This is extra important with vertical battens which add
thickness to the sail.

3. Also Very Important - when furling the sail have a crew member keep
tension on the outhaul. This will insure that the sail gets tightly
wrapped within the mast. That will allow it unfurl easily. And once the
sail is furled lock down the outhaul and furling line so the sail stays
tightly wrapped within the mast.

These issues became readily apparent when we picked up a four year old
B47 with vertical battens from a dealer. The dealer's crew did a sloppy
job of installing the furling main (with v-battens) and like yours it
got stuck half way out the first time we tried unfurling it. Wouldn't go
in or out. So we kept tension on the furling line figuring that would
help tighten the inside wrap and pull the overwraps back into the mast.
After a half hour in choppy seas the sail finally released.

Regards

Jeff Koch
Avalon

[davidcfletcher]

Do you think you might have a problem with sail

Asan example my battens have no end caps 

Get the measurements from Bob Patterson at Neil Pryde

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-------- Original message --------
From: Michael Edwards
Date:2014/03/24 11:24 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: benetea...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: {Beneteau Owners} Re: In mast furling probs

Hi I own a Oceanis 40 Z Spar furling mast Everstrom furling main with vertical battens. The boat is new in Nov 2011. Since I've used the boat the furling system has been nothing more than a nightmare on water. What I cannot understand is that the manufacture of the mast states on their web page DO NOT USE VERTICAL BATTENS yet Beneteau continue to supply their boats with furling sails with vertical battens. On my sail I've tried everything to overcome the problem with the sail jamming in the mast. I did a dimension check and found the following. The width of the slot is 12.54mm the thickness of the sail at the batten entry point into the batten pocket is 13.54mm, that's with the following thickness plies, batten, sail, batten pocket, Velcro holding tabs batten end caps (all as supplied with the boat) Some times the batten goes into into the furling compartment with the batten parallel to the slot then on other occasions the batten enters through the slot at an angle. I've lost battens with the batten pocket being torn at the batten entry point on the pocket and now I'm in a situation where the sail is jammed at the batten nearest the clew. The only way or means provided to unjam the sail is with using the companionway winches. On this jam I was forced to use the winches and in doing so the jammed partly furled sail actually jumped out of the mast furling compartment it is not able to be pushed back into the furling compartment. As a result of the sail jumping out of the mast the slot is forced open from the original 12.54 mm to about 26mm and is holding the popped out part of the sail like a vice grip. I now have to take the mast down and see if it can be repaired. Like I said its a nightmare. Do any of the readers have similar tales to tell.

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[Captain Guy]

If possible, never get vertical battens... no matter the tips, tricks, hints, it is problematic.  Even without battens, sometimes there are issues.  Not to say that classic mains are problem free.

 

The performance delta is minimal for such a bunch of aggravation.

 

Guy

s/v Island Time

[dbg...@mindspring.com]

problem #1 you say your sail is by Everstrom... ( never heard of them ) they obviously don't know how to make a proper furling main for your mast...you also mention batten pocket / sail thickness is greater than the width of the slot...as you noticed the thickness of the batten pocket is greater than the mast slot... vertical batten pockest do NOT use Velcro ( it is too thick ... vertical batten mains MUST use MINIMUM material in making the batten pockets... total ignorance of sailmaker... Neil Pryde Sails and Beneteau developed the furling main, their mains work well, following proper procedures, which have been correctly pointed out in prior post, the sails work well.. USE A SAILMAKER THAT KNOWS HOW TO MAKE A PROPER VETICAL BATTEN FURLING SAIL

One thing that has not been mentioned in operation of a furling main is that the batten pockets face the inside of the roll / furl leaving the outside of the sail smooth... sailcloth with no edges to catch or wear as the sail goes in and out of the slot... this is important

[Noble, Milner E.]

DBG -- he probably meant Elvstrom...
--Milner

[Ben Campbell]

It may not be a fair comparison due to boat (and therefore mast and sail) size, but my 09 Bene 31 in-mast furler works flawlessly with the Neil Pryde OEM sail with vertical battens. We had some initial issues, but they were not related to the battens, and were graciously resolved by Neil Pryde.

I assume the original poster mean "Elvstrøm". I note that many of the newer Beneteau marketing pics show their sails (red crown logo.). Has Beneteau moved away from Neil Pryde for OEM sails?

[bruce...@comcast.net]

Its Elvstrom

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Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:39:18 PM
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[dbg...@mindspring.com]

Beneteau...  French built boats are NOT supplied with  Neil Pryde Sails.... Neil Pryde Sails are supplied with US built boats

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Its Elvstrom

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Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:39:18 PM
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It may not be a fair comparison due to boat (and therefore mast and sail) size, but my 09 Bene 31 in-mast furler works flawlessly with the Neil Pryde OEM sail with vertical battens. We had some initial issues, but they were not related to the battens, and were graciously resolved by Neil Pryde.

I assume the original poster mean "Elvstrøm". I note that many of the newer Beneteau marketing pics show their sails (red crown logo.). Has Beneteau moved away from Neil Pryde for OEM sails?

[Andrew Callahan]

Ivars is again absolutely correct, we have a 2001 36 CC, French built with a Sparcraft mast and the sails were from Technique Voile, in mast main furling (no battens), being replaced this year due to wear as the stitching is again departing this mortal coil (restitched previously), although I am contemplating having them being looked over by a local loft to see if it is feasible/possible to have them repaired as a backup. Only problem I’ve had with the system (other than the stitching) is the boom car which now tends to bind slightly just at the beginning of deployment when unfurling, a slight tug usually frees it up, plan to examine it and determine the problem may be the bearings after the snow stops (if it ever does) prior to this season’s splash

Kevin

[Edward English]

Our 35s7 and 42s7 both came from France with Elvstrom sails. I think the Neil Pryde are better both for fit and the service provided locally. If I were having a in mast furling issue (our boats are classic masts), I would contact Neil Pryde to see what could be built to fit the mast slot. Ivars probably has contact info, in Seattle it is Scott Rush.

Ed

Ed English

[Mohammad Bayegan]

I had 461 with same problem from the beginning. It had a Z Spar. The edge of the slot on both side was covered by a plastic U shape channel supposedly to keep the sail clean.
I talked to Julian which he is no longer with Z Spar and he suggested to remove the plastic cover. The problem went away even when I bought a new main with vertical battens latter.

Presently I have B 49 which I bought new in 2009 it has Charleston Spar mast the furling system is much better designed and built than Z Spar. It has a wider slot and a lot better drum.
I have a vertical battens main on this boat and I have not had even once a problem to furl or unfurl. 
You need to have tension on lines when furling and unfurling. Also boom has to rise slightly, it is best to furl and unfurl heading into the wind.

Marengo Galveston, Texas


M. M. Bayegan

> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:24:07 -0700
> From: michael....@gmail.com
> To: benetea...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: {Beneteau Owners} Re: In mast furling probs
>
> Hi I own a Oceanis 40 Z Spar furling mast Everstrom furling main with vertical battens. The boat is new in Nov 2011. Since I've used the boat the furling system has been nothing more than a nightmare on water. What I cannot understand is that the manufacture of the mast states on their web page DO NOT USE VERTICAL BATTENS yet Beneteau continue to supply their boats with furling sails with vertical battens. On my sail I've tried everything to overcome the problem with the sail jamming in the mast. I did a dimension check and found the following. The width of the slot is 12.54mm the thickness of the sail at the batten entry point into the batten pocket is 13.54mm, that's with the following thickness plies, batten, sail, batten pocket, Velcro olding tabs batten end caps (all as supplied with the boat) Some times the batten goes into into the furling compartment with the batten parallel to the slot then on other occasions the batten enters through the slot at an angle. I've lost battens with the batten pocket being torn at the batten entry point on the pocket and now I'm in a situation where the sail is jammed at the batten nearest the clew. The only way or means provided to unjam the sail is with using the companionway winches. On this jam I was forced to use the winches and in doing so the jammed partly furled sail actually jumped out of the mast furling compartment it is not able to be pushed back into the furling compartment. As a result of the sail jumping out of the mast the slot is forced open from the original 12.54 mm to about 26mm and is holding the popped out part of the sail like a vice grip. I now have to take the mast down and see if it can be repaired. Like I said its a nightmare. Do any of the readers have similar tales to tell.

[Michael Edwards]

Hi, Thanks for comments. The Sail is an Elvstrom (sorry for the typo) The battens are on the inside of the furled sail. 

[Michael Edwards]

Hi just to clarify the boat was supplied to me ex works Beneteau France complete with Zspar furling mast fitted with an Elvstrom vertical battened mainsail. The battens furl on the inside of the sail. To be honest after reading the comments from other group members it seems to me that Beneteau have sold me a boat with a combination of mast and vertical mainsail that is not fit for purpose and is downright dangerous when it jams during sailing in heavy weather off shore. I would also say that Beneteau through their Qld Australian Agent/dealer have not been helpful, their standard comment is we have sold thousands of these and we don't consider it to be our problem.

[Michael Edwards]

[Ben Campbell]

This is probably completely unrelated to your problems, but the concept may be useful:

The furling masts come in multiple versions over time. Sails may be designed for a particular version. Beneteau's inventory control doesn't always get these matched correctly.

In my case, the mast had historically had a problem with the bottom 18 inches or so of the luff pulling free of the slot, then jamming on the way back in. They fixed this by updating the furling mechanism to have a second slot that ran below the sail feed notch, to retain the bottom part of the luff. The sail had a new bit of bolt rope attached to that part of the luff, to fit in the slot.

I got a boat with the new mast version, but the old sail version. That didn't work well at all for the first season. Once we figured it out (which took some doing), we got Neil Pryde to retrofit the luff tape on the sail, and it's worked fine ever since.

That of course isn't your specific problem. But it sounds like your mast and your sail are not matched well. If Beneteau has sold 1000s of these that have no problem, that argues that yours has a defect they could fix.

On Mar 30, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Michael Edwards <michael....@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi just to clarify the boat was supplied to me ex works Beneteau France complete with Zspar furling mast fitted with an Elvstrom vertical battened mainsail. The battens furl on the inside of the sail. To be honest after reading the comments from other group members it seems to me that Beneteau have sold me a boat with a combination of mast and vertical mainsail that is not fit for purpose and is downright dangerous when it jams during sailing in heavy weather off shore. I would also say that Beneteau through their Qld Australian Agent/dealer have not been helpful, their standard comment is we have sold thousands of these and we don't consider it to be our problem.
>

[dbg...@mindspring.com]

Mismatch is correct... how long has it been since you bought the bo ? It there room for recourse or assistance from the selling dealer. I am guessing that the selling dealer had an extra furling sail that was included as part of the package without any trial...is there any indication the sail is the one as originally delivered with the boat or is it a replacement.... your measurements indicate the problem, without further discussion... the acceptable solution is to order a new sail without battens... the slot width you measured is at the very MINIMUM that may work with battens... best to forget using a batten sail as there is no room for error... a new roller furling main will not break the bank, especially if you can get help from the seller

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[Michael Edwards]

To answer last post questions. Boat delivered and handed over new in Nov 2011 it's still under Beneteau 3 year warranty. I made a warranty claim through the seller. The system for all warranty claims in Australia is that Beneteau only considers warranty claims submitted by the seller (dealer) they do not allow any access by the owner direct to Beneteau. The seller says not their problem and has told me the sail batten jamming problem and the subsequent event of the partly furled jammed sail jumping out of the mast compartment when trying to unfurl the jam with the companionway winch constitute misuse and abuse of the boat. The seller has also advised me Beneteau rejects the warranty claim. I have been advised by the local rigging experts that the only way to fix the jammed sail problem is to firstly dismount the mast and then try to push the partly furled sail back into the mast furling compartment (at the moment the sail is held by the opened up slot in a vice grip and trying to push the sail back into the mast with the mast insitu in not possible) then try to close the opened up slot then refit the system back to the boat but not use the sail that was supplied with the boat. To clarify the boat when new was supplied by the seller ex Beneteau works complete with the furling mast and the vertical battened mainsail the seller just assembled the mast and sail to the boat and handed it over.

[Bill Jarvis]

Michael,

In the US that would be the time to get the advice of an attorney (lawyer in UK or OZ speak).

Bill

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From: benetea...@googlegroups.com [mailto:benetea...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Edwards
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Subject: RE: {Beneteau Owners} Re: In mast furling probs