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Bryan Sanctuary

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Sep 25, 2026, 8:24:31 AMSep 25
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Dear All,

Excellent news.  Richard has decided to no longer comment on my work.  This will remove a tension in this forum since Richard, over his academic career, attacks all who honestly and objectively have issues with Bell.  I stand up to him and that is the problem, I call a spade a spade. 

The guardian and gatekeeper of Bell has withdrawn for one reason: he cannot find fault in my work, except to guess.  He also repeats that he is a mathematician who does not understand QM. I totally agree with him.

Finally, I use math, Theorem-Proof, which is Richard's domain.  He does not question my math or theorems.

Bryan

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COMMENTS on Richard's final summary of my work:, if you are interested, otherwise look at the paper.  

“The story that Bryan tells by doing these calculations by geometric algebra is not a story of a physical process.”

My comment: which is more physical:  Euclidean space or an abstract 2D chiral field?  Which is more physical, wave function collapse, or physical rotation? My process is physical, QFT spin lacks geometry, from the paper:

image.png

Richard goes on:

“It is a story obtained by visualising algebraic operations in a Clifford algebra. The space in which Bryan draws those pictures is however not the physical space-time in which two photons or two electrons or whatever move toward two detectors.”

My reply:

image.pngFigure 1 at the end.

Richard is categorically wrong: the EPR separates into two complementary quaternions. I use the Dirac equation, so of course I use spacetime.

 This is what I do:

image.png

 Yet he looks only at the program and decides that I do the total opposite of what I do, he goes on:

“That is clear from the fact that Bryan doesn’t separate the simulation into two parts, keeping the process generating Alice’s output ignorant of Bob’s input, and vice versa.”

My comment: This is what Richard does not understand: a rotor has two parts, POL and COH, that cannot be separated.  A rotor is a quaternion.  Alice and Bob are remote, and their states are each described by a compensating rotor, giving the identity.

image.png


This is what I do in a nutshell, I use the full definition of spin, physics mostly ignores the bivector $i\sigma$  and keeps only the vector, $\sigma$:

image.png

Please therefore disregard Richard's statements, they are inaccurate.

I close with a picture of the raw simulation data that gives a curve that shows the symmetric and antisymmetric parts of a rotor, the lemniscate of Gerono on the right shows that POL and COH are related like cos and sin of a circle.

If you want to know the difference between SM and BiSM, please see section 5.4.  If you want to know how the simulation is done, see section 4.
image.png
Figure 1

BiVector1.jpg

 

 

Justo Pastor Lambare

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Sep 25, 2026, 9:23:02 AMSep 25
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Hi Bryan,
Just out of curiosity, I would like to know your opinion about the Nobel Prize to Aspect, Clauser, and Zeilinger. Was it a mistake, or perhaps is it only a problem of interpretation? 

      Justo


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Richard Gill

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Sep 25, 2026, 9:50:38 AMSep 25
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Dear friends

I do question Bryan’s theorems. His calculations are accurate. He essentially reproduces the standard QM calculation of the EPR-B correlation by rewriting it in GA language.

His new paper is utterly worthless. Bryan is not even able to reproduce Bell’s or Fine’s mathematical findings accurately.

All this has been said many times before.

I don’t have any need to participate in repetitive discussions about this work, but if Bryan tells lies here about me I shall have to respond.

I think the abuse he heaps on me damages his reputation much more than it damages mine.

Richard

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anton vrba

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Sep 25, 2026, 10:23:05 AMSep 25
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Hi Justo, the Nobel prize was no mistake, it is awarded for work done in physics.

Bryan's geometric model is not physics, it is a mathematical manipulation and Bryan delusionally thinks he discovered how Nature works.


Hi Bryan, Richard is honest and states he does not understand QM. I ask, do you understand physics? Please prove it with equal conviction.

The attached pages describe the two photon decay of the calcium atom which was used as the light source by Freedman & Clauser, as well as Aspect in his work for which he received the Nobel prize.  My challenge to Bryan is to explain how his work explains the polarisation entanglement of these two photons, where both of them have exactly the same circularity either right or left circularly polarised, that is the Bell state: |RR⟩ + |LL⟩ 

regards
Anton


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Date 9/25/2026 2:22:46 PM
Subject Re: [Bell_quantum_foundations] Richard has withdrawn.

Hi Bryan,
Just out of curiosity, I would like to know your opinion about the Nobel Prize to Aspect, Clauser, and Zeilinger. Was it a mistake, or perhaps is it only a problem of interpretation? 

      Justo


El vie, 25 sept 2026 a las 9:24, Bryan Sanctuary (<bryancs...@gmail.com>) escribió:

Dear All,

Excellent news.  Richard has decided to no longer comment on my work.  This will remove a tension in this forum since Richard, over his academic career, attacks all who honestly and objectively have issues with Bell.  I stand up to him and that is the problem, I call a spade a spade. 

The guardian and gatekeeper of Bell has withdrawn for one reason: he cannot find fault in my work, except to guess.  He also repeats that he is a mathematician who does not understand QM. I totally agree with him.

Finally, I use math, Theorem-Proof, which is Richard's domain.  He does not question my math or theorems.

Bryan

--------------------------------

COMMENTS on Richard's final summary of my work:, if you are interested, otherwise look at the paper.  

“The story that Bryan tells by doing these calculations by geometric algebra is not a story of a physical process.”

My comment: which is more physical:  Euclidean space or an abstract 2D chiral field?  Which is more physical, wave function collapse, or physical rotation? My process is physical, QFT spin lacks geometry, from the paper:

image.png

Richard goes on:

“It is a story obtained by visualising algebraic operations in a Clifford algebra. The space in which Bryan draws those pictures is however not the physical space-time in which two photons or two electrons or whatever move toward two detectors.”

My reply:

image.pngFigure 1 at the end.

Richard is categorically wrong: the EPR separates into two complementary quaternions. I use the Dirac equation, so of course I use spacetime.

 This is what I do:

image.png

 Yet he looks only at the program and decides that I do the total opposite of what I do, he goes on:

“That is clear from the fact that Bryan doesn’t separate the simulation into two parts, keeping the process generating Alice’s output ignorant of Bob’s input , and vice versa.”

My comment: This is what Richard does not understand: a rotor has two parts, POL and COH, that cannot be separated.  A rotor is a quaternion.  Alice and Bob are remote, and their states are each described by a compensating rotor, giving the identity.

image.png


This is what I do in a nutshell, I use the full definition of spin, physics mostly ignores the bivector $i\sigma$  and keeps only the vector, $\sigma$:

image.png

Please therefore disregard Richard's statements, they are inaccurate.

I close with a picture of the raw simulation data that gives a curve that shows the symmetric and antisymmetric parts of a rotor, the lemniscate of Gerono on the right shows that POL and COH are related like cos and sin of a circle.

If you want to know the difference between SM and BiSM, please see section 5.4.  If you want to know how the simulation is done, see section 4.
image.png
Figure 1

BiVector1.jpg

 

 

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Richard Gill

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Sep 25, 2026, 10:26:44 AMSep 25
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Dear Anton, dear all

Maybe some of us could get together and write a refutation of Dr Sanctuary’s recent results, to be submitted to the same journal which seems to almost have published his paper. I would be delighted to join in any such enterprise.

Richard



<image.png>

Richard goes on:

“It is a story obtained by visualising algebraic operations in a Clifford algebra. The space in which Bryan draws those pictures is however not the physical space-time in which two photons or two electrons or whatever move toward two detectors.”

My reply:

<image.png>Figure 1 at the end.

Richard is categorically wrong: the EPR separates into two complementary quaternions. I use the Dirac equation, so of course I use spacetime.

 This is what I do:

<image.png>

 Yet he looks only at the program and decides that I do the total opposite of what I do, he goes on:

“That is clear from the fact that Bryan doesn’t separate the simulation into two parts, keeping the process generating Alice’s output ignorant of Bob’s input , and vice versa.”

My comment: This is what Richard does not understand: a rotor has two parts, POL and COH, that cannot be separated.  A rotor is a quaternion.  Alice and Bob are remote, and their states are each described by a compensating rotor, giving the identity. 

<image.png>


This is what I do in a nutshell, I use the full definition of spin, physics mostly ignores the bivector $i\sigma$  and keeps only the vector, $\sigma$:

<image.png>

Please therefore disregard Richard's statements, they are inaccurate.

I close with a picture of the raw simulation data that gives a curve that shows the symmetric and antisymmetric parts of a rotor, the lemniscate of Gerono on the right shows that POL and COH are related like cos and sin of a circle.

If you want to know the difference between SM and BiSM, please see section 5.4.  If you want to know how the simulation is done, see section 4.
<image.png>
Figure 1

<BiVector1.jpg>
 
 

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Bryan Sanctuary

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Sep 25, 2026, 10:40:36 AMSep 25
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Hi Justo

Yes, the N.P. in '22 was an error in my opinion.  The failure of  Bell is the failure of joint definability. This has a long and ignored history which I summarize and review in section 5.  These are expressed in two assumptions: locality and joint defineability.  The second fails, not the first.

Many wrote to the N.P. committee and expressed this.  I did not.

What is your view?

Bryan




Bryan Sanctuary

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Sep 25, 2026, 10:46:50 AMSep 25
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Dear all,

Richard continues to  misrepresent my paper.  How would you respond to a totally incorrect description of your work?

I most certainly do not reproduce EPR-B. I solve the EPR paradox with geometry.  His remarks are not accurate, and time will tell if my paper is worthless. 

But he said he would stop commenting, so Richard, please do, I was looking forward to not responding to you.

Bryan

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Richard Gill

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Sep 25, 2026, 10:58:29 AMSep 25
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Bryan has rewritten the usual QM calculations of the EPR-B correlation in the language of geometric algebra.

Something which was actually done many years ago by the people who long ago promoted GM as a universal language of physics

He definitely has not solved any paradox

anton vrba

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Sep 25, 2026, 11:22:31 AMSep 25
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Richard, we could use the attached AI critique as a framework:


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Subject Re: [Bell_quantum_foundations] Richard has withdrawn.
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