Request

[Alexandre de Castro]

Dear colleagues,
It seems that things have calmed down. I would ask those who wish to continue participating in the group to do so in a civilized manner, respecting the work of their colleagues. Each of us has our own reasons for supporting or questioning Bell’s work. I personally believe that it’s not even possible to decide whether Bell is right or wrong. Contrary to what is often claimed, quantum mechanics is far from being a consensus.

[Alexandre de Castro]

and please, do not use crude terms to refer to your colleagues or their work.

[anton vrba]

Hi Alexandre, Nothing has calmed down, only waiting to hear your position.  Here is my response:

1) Spamming:  How many times Diether sent us the link to his paper without an accompanying scientific introduction, instead abuse that he is correct and we are all wrong, or other notes calling to arms to organise. Organise what to to stop reasonable scientific debate, examples
1.a) spam + abusive https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/Bell_quantum_foundations/c/k0AFAtd9cmY

1.b) calling to arms:  https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/Bell_quantum_foundations/c/0hVGynxbmPo

1.c) destruction of this group: https://groups.google.com/u/1/g/Bell_quantum_foundations/c/cGDowPzPWFs

etc.

2) Bell's theorem is a mathematical theorem concerning probability and not physics, with a strict definition what local means.  Bell theorem does not define nature, it is a test for empirical observations. 

3) Bell's theorem rules out a local hidden variable but does not rule out a global hidden variable.

3.1) therefore quantum physics is ether probabilistic or deterministic.  

3.2) Bell was not a fan of the standard "Copenhagen" view of quantum mechanics, which he found vaguely defined and messy. He was deeply impressed by David Bohm’s "Pilot Wave" theory, which is a fully deterministic version of quantum mechanics. Bell often described himself as a "Realist" rather than a "Determinist." His primary goal wasn't necessarily to ensure everything was pre-destined, but to ensure that physics described a world that actually exists  regardless of whether we are measuring it. 

4) Mathematical geometric constructs, like Diether and Sanctuary, with an altered view of what locality means, have mathematical and geometric interest, that is possibly why Joy Christian's paper was published by the Royal Society, I think

5) Papers of Christian, Diether, and Sanctuary (C,D&S) become interesting only if the authors show how these mathematical constructs can model photons or particles with all, I repeat all, their quantum properties. That is, for a photon demonstrate the configuration of the magnetic and electric fields to explain spin, polarisation, angular momentum for both spin SAM and orbital OAM, and Berry phase, all compatible with Maxwell's electromagnetism.  That is exactly where C,D&S fail --- no physics here, yet. 

6) Looking at the history of the group, it is damming that for years it occupied itself with a subject that has nothing to do with Bell and foundations of quantum mechanics, if it did it got quickly buried with nonsensical replies that stopped all further interaction.

7) Last seen in this group but no longer listed as group members:
 Prof Richard Gill, 27 November 2025

 Dr Mark Hadley, 4 December

 Dr Alvaro Garcia, 6 December

 Prof Jan Ake Larson, ?? November

8) your meagre response to our objections (including Gill's) will not bring this group back to life 

Alexandre you write "I personally believe that it’s not even possible to decide whether Bell is right or wrong." sums it all up where things are going wrong in this group. Bell is mathematically correct, the right or wrong question is more fundamental, it should be addressed at the Copenhagen interpretation, and then what ever model you come up with to challenge Bohr's probabilistic model must be tested with Bell's theorem.

Such challenges I was hoping to find here, but alas ...

best regards

Anton

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From "Alexandre de Castro" <alx...@gmail.com>

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Date 1/6/2026 5:59:46 AM

Subject [Bell_quantum_foundations] Re: Request

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[Fred Diether]

Alexandre, you should form a set of rules for the group and pin it to the top of the conversation list.  I can help you with that.  Let me know.

And please tell Anton to stop spamming the group with his Bell fanatic nonsense.  It is real easy to prove the inequalities are broken physics.  And..., you know you are reading nonsense when a Bell fanatics tells you it is not physics.  LOL!

Is any of that "crude"?  Perhaps you should try to define what you mean and put it in the group rules.  Let's discuss.

[Fred Diether]

And here is my response to Vrba,

https://groups.google.com/g/Bell_quantum_foundations/c/ll9VNwWeHOg/m/bUlsq_NuBgAJ

It is real easy to prove the inequalities are broken physics.  And knock of the total nonsense that Bell's nonsense is not physics.  You are a freakin' joke man.  LOL!

[Fred Diether]

Alexandre, I guess you are busy...  Here are some rules for the group for you to ponder.

1. Impolite behavior is NOT to be tolerated
2. No foul language including in name handle
3. No off-topic posts
4. No flaming
5. No derogatory personal comments about anyone; stick to the physics
6. No spamming the group which includes advertisements of any kind and also includes overly repetitious posts
7. You must post in English; you can use Google's translator to translate from your language to English then post to the board
8. No links to websites that have pirated material or that are infected with malicious code or contain pornography
9. No posts about new theories that are clearly contrary to experimental evidence
10. And... the most important rule; Have Fun!

An unmoderated group with no rules is just like the wild wild west.

And..., you didn't tell Vrba to stop spamming so I had to respond to his nonsense.

On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 10:00:02 PM UTC-8 alx...@gmail.com wrote: