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Harsha

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Jan 3, 2006, 3:50:58 AM1/3/06
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no bets! I'm not advocating reservations. now people are coming out
loud and say they want reservations based on economic/financial
background. it is much more detrimental than doing away with caste
based system. the best reservation system or void of it should solely
be based on meritocracy. this says those who are hardworking and
capable should get a chance irrespective of their caste or financial
background, which is real future investment that can reap huge
benefits for the system in long run. (you know what is happening now,
a doctor wants his children to become doctors, and they do become for
the mere fact that they can afford, often i come across instances
where capable reserved candidates fail to make it owing to their poor
financial background, reservations didn't help them).

here i must emphasize that only 50% of total seats are reserved, not
more than that, some skew these figures with ladies reservations which
applies equally in any bracket. ( that means 1/3 across all
categories are reserved for ladies).

i don't like to argue how politics/vote banks are linked to
reservations, but if we can treat reservations itself as a separate
class, we can derive more meaningful debate.
I'm wondering how different the current system if the reservation is
provided to unreserved class (OC: other castes) to the extent of
their total population, say 20-25%. in this case, i fear I'll be out
of race and so most of us.

or as the case may be, what happens if no reservations are provided,
my belief is that we will be heading to civil war because of social
imbalance in the system. this somehow soothes the masses and keeps
them in good humor.

I have not paid much attention to private sector reservations till
date as I felt a lot of resistance from the sector unless a
legislation is passed which is highly likely now. at the first place,
we have to measure the competence of reserved category in
schools/public sectors to see where they stand with respect to open
category. I've to study it's implications before making a comment
further. but whether we like it or not, reservations are going to be
there. ( I usually tend to see any problem from economics perspective,
many times my convictions proved wrong in pure economics sense).

Harsha


Dear harsha,

It is nice to see that you have done some research
work while putting forward your views, as you say 54%
of Indian population is OBC; this itself gives a clear
picture what reservation is all about. Mondal
commission submitted its report around 1971, till 1989
reservation was provided to those people who were
residing in remote undeveloped area (SC and ST's)and
the % was fair enough, implementation of mandal
commissions report in 1989 was done only for vote, no
political party in India is at all interested in
uplifting the backward class, their only goal is to
reserve their vote, you will also be surprised to know
that in UP Mayawati introduced a new class "most
backward class", 40 yrs after independence OBC was
introduced 55 yrs after independence most backward
class was introduced. Any guess why are we moving
backwards?


Reservation is nothing but a means to divide Indian
society on the basis of class, so that there cannot be
development and people in power remain in power, now
government is also introducing reservation in private
sector and it will be introduced in 9th scheduled so
that it is immune legally, even though introduction of
reservation in private sector will be a gross
violation of section 19(i)(g) of the constitution.


Pls understand this is not for upliftment of society
but be keep them divided on some ground or other. 54%
population is large enough to get any party in power.


This new concept of reservation in private sector is
also aimed at providing a break at the entrepreneur
growth in India, it will simply mean that you cannot
start your own organization till 50% of your friends
do not belong to a certain cast. If 6 of you want to
start a company then at least 1 should be OBC 1 SC and
1 ST. otherwise if this bill is also passed, you just
cannot register your company.


P.S: I will take my words back if proven wrong. (Which
is not possible.try it ;) )


Regards
Shashwat Pandey
http://www.geocities.com/sha211_211

Sidharth Shyamsukha

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Jan 4, 2006, 6:15:08 AM1/4/06
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Dear Harsha,

I would like to explain how reservations are linked with politics.
First a discimination is created, when people become more concerned
about there caste, politicians will offer them reservations for votes,
also would ecourage people to vote for people of their own caste.
As the original purpose of caste system, division of labour is no more
needed.
The concept itself can be scraped.

varshney....@gmail.com

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Jan 5, 2006, 2:24:40 PM1/5/06
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Jai Hind!
reservations are as all of u know are suppopsed for the upliftment of
the poor, i dont think reservations are bad. but the way they are
implemented here is totally absurd. let me give u an example- a real
one.i know a person who is batchmate also whos father is General
Manager in BHEL. and still his son got a reserved seat in my college.
wel i dont think so he needed reservation of any kind. the rules say
that if a person gets reservation than his children sre not entitled to
get reservation of any knid anywhere. according to me there is a need
for a high level committee to be set up and review the policies.
Also according to me the reservations play a vital role in bringing the
destitutes to the main stream, the reservations should be done on the
basis of ECONOMICAL CONDITION and not on the basis caste or religion as
this very thing is against the constitution(technically).
wel hope u all would like to add a comment on what i mentioned.
bye
Siddhartha Varshney

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