Re: Food for thought.../ Call for Action

[Shoubhik Purkayastha]

Hello Shantanu

Appreciate your understanding....

You, Shantanu, are among the few people I have seen who are beginning  to "get it"...that we, the People are not to blame, but the System of Governance we have inherited is the cause of all our miseries and ills, of our suffering masses.

As far as comments on the insightful views of Sanjeev are concerned, you must have already read my previous email to Kamal of BM:
Such proposed (electoral to constitutional) reforms are simply NOT going to work in the current SYSTEM. As much I respect Sanjeev's understanding of the "upper end" of system fallacies, the lower end is seemingly awash with critique of the inability of erstwhile leaders.

Remember one thing, both of you:
-->> ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS....ABSOLUTELY - without exception.

-->> As good as you think you may be, you shall be actually incapable of doing ANY good in the current SYSTEM. Dr Manmohan Singh is a very good example, who, acknowledged as being among the world's best economists, and a man of integrity, could Not do anything of worth - an understatement. Validation? We have gone from Inflation to Hyper-inflation in less than a blink of an eyelid (if you look at the history span of the paper-currency system).

To emphasize this point, I repeat my earlier analogy: Throwing a bowl of sugar into the ocean, doesn't make it any sweeter....does it? Think what happens to the sugar...

Does Sanjeev think there is something in the proposed "reforms" that has not been proposed earlier by all our "thinkers" in the bureaucracy, the judiciary and the legislature? He is free to think so, its just that its NOT going to work unless we CHANGE the SYSTEM entirely.

What's to be deployed once we do that? For starters, simply hop on to www.ShapingIndia.org and get the book "Crusade India" for FREE.

Lets DO it together, Shantanu.

All the Best....and JAI HIND.

Towards a new dawn,
Shoubhik

Ambassador, Crusade India
www.ShapingIndia.org

http://profiles.TakingITGlobal.org/shoubhik
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On 9/23/07, B Shantanu <jai.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Fellow concerned citizens:

Read this article and please share your thoughts and comments...The
problem we have is one of systemic failure and the solution lies in
fundamental change and re-thinking. It is now too late for incremental
solutions.
Jai Hind, Jai Bharat.

Politics and Corruption: Here's how to "fix the system"
http://satyameva-jayate.org/2007/09/14/fixing-the-system/

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[Shoubhik]

Shantanu/ Sanjeev

Sorry for not responding  last weekend - I only realize now that both of you have too much to say and all of us may or may not have the time to write on the dozens of blogs and other forums.

So, I contacted KCA himself on this, and he agreed on a Face-to-Face meeting.

I would ask you to come for a meeting this week in Delhi/ Noida/ Gurgaon - if its OK with you. And, you may also invite your respected friends/ colleagues/ acquaintances who are really interested, and have enough conviction with their ideas and suggestions for the new System... like Sanjeev.

I live in Gurgaon, but our CI office is in Noida, so latter would be preferred. Any issues?

Shantanu: As far as your blogging site is concerned, do as you please - you can copy my emails to any blog you wish. Anyhow these BM Google groups I tend to copy are public, so what problem can I have?

Let me clarify: The Purpose of the F2F Meet would be to get us all on the same page...so that we all are clear on what is there on Sanjeev's mind, and whether he has understood what we are going to do.

Once we have had a couple of full-blown face-offs, with all sides bouncing off their ideas, we can unanimously decide on how to drive the key system messages among our Peoples... (e.g.the Internet-enabled population is just 1%, hence we tend to reach out more off-line.. Helps manifold in connecting to our People on various levels of thought).

Thank you very much.

Looking forward to your decision on when to have a meeting...this week is preferred - latest by Saturday please :-)

Best,
Shoubhik
www.ShapingIndia.org

P.S. : Sanjeev: I love our thoughts, and can't resist the temptation to say this: We all have such a psychological investment in What IS, we just cannot see What Might Be - at the F2F meeting, I can give you ample proof of why I was acting CLOSED in this email chain, and why you had to counter saying you were open.
I'm Sorry if I seem to be "belittling" you - sincerely apologise for the tone of my language...some heat inside perhaps.

The point I'm trying to drive home will be discussed F2F.
JAI HIND. We can, and will, do it...

On 9/28/07, B Shantanu <jai.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

All,

This is a vey hurried response (and I will separately comment on Shoubhik and Sanjeev's thoughts).

 

But I very much liked Sanjeev's suggestion of a public discussion on this - not to belitlle each other's thoughts/ideas - but so that all of us can benefit from the discussion....hopefully even better ideas will follow as a result of some debate and open airing of thoughts.

 

I am offering my blog as a forum for doing this  - and if both Shoubhik and Sanjeev are OK with it, I will put these emails on the blog before the weekend to serve as a starting point.

What do you think?

 

Shantanu

 

On 9/27/07, Sanjeev Sabhlok <sab...@yahoo.com > wrote:

Dear Shoubhik

Thanks for raising a discussion re: some of my
suggested pathways to a free India. I deeply
appreciate the commitment and effort your group
represents, and look forward to an informed debate and
discussion on the alternative system your group
proposes. That, indeed, is exactly what I have
suggested in chapter 7 of my book that we all do:
instead of whining and cribbing about the system, let
us all propose our specific solutions and precise
plans of action, and let us then us all have a debate
and come to an agreement.

At this stage, I have a request: would you please
elaborate on why the solutions I have proposed won't
work? I'd really appreciate that. As my book is still
a draft, I'll be very happy to consider solid
arguments against why the solutions I propose won't
work. I am completely open to change if persuaded that
there are better ways out there that I have missed.

I can suggest, though, at the outset, that it is not
going to be easy to persuade me to better solutions:
you'll have to come up with something dramatically
better that I have never come across in my life or in
my extensive readings. I have worked for nearly two
decades within the Indian system and so know it
'inside out', and also within one of the world's most
outstanding bureaucracies, in Australia. Without
sounding arrogant -- which I hope I am not -- I do
perhaps know a fair bit about good governance. And I
seriously wonder which solutions I have missed in
proposing the best possible solutions for India. But
as I have said, I am open to persuasion. But you've
got to paint a clear picture; not simply trash my
solutions.

By the way, I'd rather have this discussion publicly -
as then, many others can then get involved and
benefit; would you therefore mind please posting your
comments on Shantanu's blog, and I'll respond there?

With regards,

Sanjeev

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