clarifications

[Gopal Krishna]

Dear friends,
my name has appeared in two reports : one Dainik Bhaskar and one India Today: now to explain the things, whether it happened by accident or by my planned efforts for self-glorification:  i m sending u one mail-interaction with journaist of Dainik Bhaskar, which was also sent on mgmt group.
Moderators have already clarified on India Today report that it  was a hasty decision taken by Kanpur Chapter team in consultation with central admin team.

On Dainik Bhaskar report, ref: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BM_management/message/358
on management group, journalist asked me
ya i respect yourteam sprit. ya personal fame is against the philosophy of mission. i will not use member word but we have to tell the name of some people and wat study they are doing. may i give a small list of poeple of bm?? just tell me.

and it was one of my last interaction with him before media report was published and i replied him below:
no Ajeet Bhai;  a small list of poeple of bm is still personal promotion of individuals - against out team spirit.
as i told u that Kanpur CHapter, Delhi Chapter & Pilani CHapter has done some social activities , so in talking about them, if u feel using some names will make the information more credible, u may use the name of AMitji from Delhi, Rakeshji from Pilani and Parjanya 3rd yr Computer Science B. Tech IIT Kanpur from Kanpur Chapter. this suggestion is not for promoting these members, use these names if u feel innerly that names r needed to enhance credibility of news - we r in spirit against promoting individuals, but if to promote BM as an organization, some individuals' names r used for credibility purpose then its fine with us.

Coordinator

Parjanya Shukla

parj...@iitk.ac.in

Room No-G307 Hall-5, IIT Kanpur

+919415405409

so, it is clear that I told him to use Parjanya's name from Kanpur Chapter, but he used my name in Dainik Bhaskar report. So, even here, I m 100% innocent as far as accusations of using media-eevnt for self-glorification is concerned.

that's all, I have to say.

Jai Hind,
Gopal Krishna
4th yr B. Tech Computer Science
IIT Kanpur

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[amit hargude]

hi,

first of all i dont know why the moderators dont agree that the
rule has been violated or simply manipulated. secondly are the
reportors so strong that they have the power in them so that on their
request admin team can violate or manipulate the rule? i am contantly
repeating after these media reports, i think this rule should be
removed or else action should be taken against the members whos name
appears, no matter if the person is founder or a part of central team
or any other member.

i would also like to show everyone my personal conversation with
gopal regarding this rule

Gopal Krishna: if only BM's name come, then no problem, but if u have
time at least take permission on phone also from admin team

boywonderamit: and wat iff the journalist print it without our consent

boywonderamit: we cant have control over him

Gopal Krishna: then it is a problem only: because rules r rules: at
least names must not be used.

boywonderamit: ok then if ur on a ground work and a journalist prints
ur name without ur consent then u will be debarred??

Gopal Krishna: bye then; has some journalist published about BM in
Mumbai. yes, one will be debarred, that's why it is duty of each member
to request journalist citing this rule: no one will be so cruel to turh
down this simple request

as far as i see gopal point of view earlier when the rule was created
was different than as of now. so i guess the admin team will take
appropriate and unbiased decission on this point.

and i would also like to say that gopal is not the only one whos name
has appeared in the india today article. its not just Gopal but also
Divya Cherala(admin team) whos name has appeared in the article. so
admin team plz think about this too.

regards
amit hargude

[vishwanath shukla]

Dear friend Amit (and all BM members)
I take your concern in right perspective and i'm also
very glad that that you are bold enough to stand at your point with
logic. This is what expected of every BM member to be bold enough on
what he considers to be right, as this will be our strength in the near
future.
But i'm also of the opinion that we must
forgive this happeing even if it's a personal fault becoz this has
happened for the first time, AND if there is no fault but "JUST A GAME
OF CIRCUMSTANCES AND TIME" played upon us by the ALMIGHTY then we must
forget it and start fresh activities, ofcourse, taking experiences from
the previous incidents. As continuation of this may shake the MORALS of
other members and bring the feelings of dobts towards the smooth
working of the "MISSION".
Everyone plz. take our this "MISSION" as a MISSION (
word mission is great in itself).
Here i take this oppurtunity to start a new thread on
"the role of media in our organisation".
Plz. dear you and all BM members take out some time
to bacome a part of the discussion. I specially request the central
teams and the moderators just like all to express thier views.
with regards
vishwnath shukla
jai hind

[amit hargude]

well, imagine if there was a article in which name of any other member
would have been printed, then what would have they done. one of the
explanation from the moderator(whos name also appeared in india today
article) said that just because gopal is there for the longest time we
were ok with name. and the other point is why was that correspondent's
request so powerful that the admin team had to violate the rule...? and
also the most dissappointing thing is that "rule makers have become
rule breakers" Divyashri Cherala whos a part of admin team, even her
name has appeared in the article. is this the reason no action yet has
been taken against them?
if not then plz take some action or scrap the rule " CONDONE or
CONDEMM"..! if still no action has been taken then its no point
followin this rule.

regards
amit hargude

[divy...@gmail.com]

1. it was not only the time factor but the fact that he asked each one
of the admin team members if we were okay with the correspondent
mentioning his name. he also asked members who were present at that
time. parjanya has responded clarifyign this point as well.
2. the correspondent.. mr.subhash sent the moderators a mail with a
couple of queries regarding what was written on the website. i m
quoting the reply i sent to him here:

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From: Moderator BhartUdayMission < moder...@gmail.com>
Date: Jan 31, 2006 11:10 AM
Subject: regarding your query
To: subhash...@yahoo.com

Dear Subhashji,

This is in regard to your queries.

1. Like it has been written on the website, the choice of not paying
dowry lies in the hands of each member of BM. It is a guiding
principle. All full time members of BM will assure you that no dowry
will be taken by them.

2. As regards to the surname, it is optional and is again up to each
member. As an example, my own name is Cherala Divyashri Rao but I don't
use the Rao in my name. Similarly, a lot of members have taken this
choice.

I request you once again not to carry the names of any of the members
involved as it is against our policies.

Thanks and regards,
Moderators
==========================

As you can see, I did not know that he would print this in his article.
I told Gopal and Rishikesh about this immediately. I could not get
through to Gyan.

Also, the management team(with one member from all the teams) will
decide on our draft media policy. As was repeatedly stated, the only
thing that moderators made a rule about was that they have to be
contacted about media approaching. This rule was followed.

I am sorry if any of you feel that this was done for "personal glory"
as one of you has put it. You should understand that we had repeatedly
asked the reporter(including in my correspondence with him) that names
should not be mentioned.
I would like to reiterate that the ONLY rule was about informing
moderators about media. Gopal is not on the Admin team and he was
voicing his own opinion about media, just as all of you have voiced
yours.
The rule that had been made is clear and still stands.

A complete media policy will be formed with all the management group
members.

This will be my last mail regarding this issue.

Regards,
Divya

[Dr. N.S. REDDY]

Dear Mr. Amit Hargude,

 

We are concern about your feeling very well.

I request you, please, Please Let US STOP On this ISSUE.

 

OUR AIM is to build a Great Nation. That is important rather than who is the Leader. If some one gets Name, let it be yaar. No problems.

 

There is no need of taking any Action at any early stage, it will give a Bad impact on BM.

 

Please dont make others Frustrated with this discussions.

 

I hope, I expect this mail will be Final one regarding this..

 

with love and best wishes..

 

 

Come On Amit, I am able to see your emotions. Let us work for another important issues.

 

NS-Reddy..

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[amit hargude]

so after all these mail u have easily manipulated the rule and done
away with it. gopal if had the same point of view till now then being a
responsible member, he himself would have stepped down and accepted his
fault. but with testing time people change and gopal is the perfect
example of it. and secondly overlooking divya's name was also again a
mistake.
so after all this i think wen it came to the central team
members it was easily manipulated. so i would like to say that in the
future this rule is should not be followed by anyone because its too
impractical to follow.

regards
amit hargude

[Vinayak]

Hi Friends

I can see the group discussing an issue on the appearance of a group
members name in print. I am new here + haven't followed that thread and
hence I have *NO OPINION* on that discussion (of name in print )

However the original point, NOT TAKING DOWRY caught my eye when I saw a
post by Divya dated Feb 16th 2006

That seems to be a laudable cause. I've copied that portion below.

Where can I find reference to *NOT TAKING dowry* - a principle of BM ?

Is it on some website ? are members signatories to it ?

Any pointers / guidance would be most appreciated ..

regards

Vinayak

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Dear Subhashji,

This is in regard to your queries.

1. Like it has been written on the website, the choice of
not paying dowry lies in the hands of each member of BM. It
is a guiding principle. All full time members of BM will
assure you that no dowry will be taken by them.

[.........]

Thanks and regards,

Moderators

[Ankur Gattani]

Hi all,

 

I am not aware how precise and specific are the rules that define our approach to the media.... we have to realize that we can't cut ourselves away from the media and at times it can actually play a strong role.. for our benefit.

 

anyway, regarding the current controversy, i think all of us realize it only too well that in order for us to make a sustained and strenghened effort towards the growth of the nation, it's elementary that we have faith in each others' motives in every action and the sincerety towards the cause.

 

Amit, I appreciate your concern about the inappropriateness of the rule a priori, but as of now, all you seem to be doing is baying for the head of our team members, which doesn't come across as a very good sign... Gopal and others, we've seen a live demo of the possibilities that the rule might end up affecting genuine people in a negative manner.. it has a tremendous scope of coming across as a hypocritical stance. now, be it you ppl.. or be it someone else... let not a blanket rule take away the subjectivity of the case.

 

the problem with approaching media is that it might lead people into making false claims of their achievements, which is bad for the reputation of BM.. and for the glorification part of it, people might take credit for someone else's work which is again detrimental to team work... but avoiding media altogether is not the solution.. we will at times, need to use it to our advantage.

 

The approach at this stage has to be sensitive to all our requirements, and the focus must be on grooming individuals and achieving rational thought without prejudices.... laying down very strict rules on the code of conduct makes it too mechanical and impersonal. We need to get people to understand what is there and why it's there and also be in a positiion to modify and fine tune our policies as time teaches us lessons.

 

Once again, on the admin team, with all our sensible minds, we understand that leadership requires a high degree of humility, so the perception, that the admin team is on a higher level of hierarchy than the others.. has to go.. from teh admin team.. and more importantly from the other ppl themselves...

 

As I the admin team is a bunch of committed and motivated people who have for the time being taken up the responsibility of co-ordinating the efforts from different people and stream lining our efforts.. None of us, as of now is old enough with BM that he could claim a higher position or a right to make a decision than the others.. if someone committs a mistake, he's answerable not to the admin team alone who'll make his judgement but to the whole of our community!

 

I hope I'm making sense. If anyone differs on opinion, I'd be glad to discuss it out.

 

 

Regards,

 

Ankur

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