General Question on Last Name differences in the same family

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Ed Silveira

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Aug 6, 2022, 10:21:31 AMAug 6
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Good morning and hope all are well ....

My grandfather and grandmother had 7 children, and I have found their baptism records and confirmed they were all born to the same parents. 

Of those seven 4 have the last name Silveira, 3 have Silvia. 

Just wondering if the change took place by an immigration official, or a census taker or someone else?  

Any ideas would be welcome ...

Thanks, 
Ed

I've attached one of the Silvia boy's baptism record
John Silvia Baptism to Silveira.jpg

Liz Migliori

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Aug 6, 2022, 12:08:44 PMAug 6
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This looks like father is Silveira. Beautiful record.  Twins right???

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Cheri Mello

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Aug 6, 2022, 12:10:35 PMAug 6
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Generally when the kid became of age, they pick the surname to honor whichever family line.
Cheri Mello
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Ed Silveira

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Aug 6, 2022, 2:18:12 PMAug 6
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Yes, Lismig, his brother Manuel is the twin, and both took Silvia as the family name.  So did an older brother and then another set of twins who were younger took the Silveira name.  And I agree I wish all entries were that easy to read (though I haven't cracked the margin note yet, lol)

  Cheri, I had heard that and am curious what their passports say and how they are listed on the ship's manifest assuming they all came here together.  I am hoping one of the Silvia descendants takes and submits a DNA test.

Thanks as always 

Cheri Mello

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Aug 6, 2022, 2:49:18 PMAug 6
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Ed S,

Depending on when the came and the ages, they could all have ditto marks indicating the same name as the father, especially if they were children. Then the kids could have grown up and picked a different surname.

Margin: Married on the 15 Nov. 1945 with Maria Inacia, age 23? years, native of the freguesia of Conceicao ? of this council, reg. # 199? page 128 of the book of marriages. Dated 17 Nov? 1945
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Ed Silveira

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Aug 6, 2022, 3:36:19 PMAug 6
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Thanks Cheri ...as I've said many time, you are the best.  Cheers

Liz Migliori

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Aug 6, 2022, 5:18:56 PMAug 6
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OK Ed tell me where it says they took the name Silvia. Is it in this document??
I hope I haven’t been missing something like this for many…. 

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On Aug 6, 2022, at 2:18 PM, Ed Silveira <vovo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, Lismig, his brother Manuel is the twin, and both took Silvia as the family name.  So did an older brother and then another set of twins who were younger took the Silveira name.  And I agree I wish all entries were that easy to read (though I haven't cracked the margin note yet, lol)

Ed Silveira

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Aug 9, 2022, 8:00:25 AMAug 9
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Hi Lizmig,

I'm sure you have not been missing anything .. I should have included page 2 of the baptism to give a complete record of the entry (attached below).  If I have it right when a child attains maturity (comes of age) they pick the surname they wish.  Since they were twins it might have been comical, but not to researchers if they had each picked a different surname.  I am continuing to look for passage, passport, or naturalization information as I like what Cheri said .. Ditto marks are handy but sure can be confusing. 

Rest easy and best wishes, 
Ed
Doc - Baptism John Furtado Silveira-Silvia 1884 Jan 20 pg 2.jpg

elizabeth migliori

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Aug 12, 2022, 6:13:54 PMAug 12
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How can I tell where it says they took the name?  I can’t figure it out.

 

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elizabeth migliori

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Aug 12, 2022, 6:14:03 PMAug 12
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Hi Ed,

OK so just as I sent that first email this popped up.   

But I still don’t get it.  Where on page 2 does it say it?   What might specific words be that would be used

 

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