Fwd: Descendentes Mello Barboza

[Lilian Martins]

Olá a todos !

Gostaria de saber sobre a família de João de Mello Barbosa . Sou bisneta dele . Ele foi para o Brasil e nunca mais voltou a Portugal.  Hoje moro em Lisboa e estou buscando informações sobre a família. 

Ele nasceu em Ribeira Quente em 27 de julho de 1884.

Era filho de José de Mello Coelho e Jacintha de Jesus Arruda.

Neto paterno de João de Mello Barbosa e Jacintha de Jesus e neto materno de José d'Arruda e Maria da Conceição. 

Se alguém tiver alguma informação eu agradeço. 

Obrigada !

Lílian Martins 

[John JMR]

These look somewhat familiar. You should ask Cheri Melo as these appear to be realtions of her ancestors or those of Shirlaey Allegre.

I have these-

7-Feb-1876
Jose de Melo, age 22, 'camponeo,' son of Jose de Melo & Jacinta Julia, m. to Jacinta de Jesus, age 19, with premission of her maternal grandfather in the absence of her parents who were in the Empire of Brazil, daughter of Jose d'Arruda & Maria da Conceicao.
Test.: Francisco de Melo Barboza & Manuel Joaquim, 'camponeos.'
Off.: Father Antonio Jacinto de Melo.

I could not find baptism of Joao [de Mello Barboza in Ribeira Quente on the date mentioned, July 27 1884.

JR

[Bill Seidler]

João's baptism is here confirming all the information Lilian provided.  (#29, starts bottom left)

https://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1882-1884/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1882-1884_item1/index.html?page=43

[John JMR]

Yes Bill is right. I got thrown by the first date whicg was bapotismal date. Here it is

baptism record no 29, page 41 verso de Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente parochial

Joao, born 27 July 1884 as onze horas de noite , bap- Aug 10 1884, filho de Joze de Mello Coelho filho de Joze de Mello Coelho maritimo and Jacintha de Jesus domestica naturaes e recebidos e moradores nesta freguesia; Pat- Joao de Mello Barboza and Jacintha de Jesus and materno de Joze de Arruda and Maria da Conceicao; Pad- Jose Junipero d' Amaral cazado maritimo and madrinha Anna Emilia da Silva. 

You can see what I wrongly read all those years ago was Calhao, but is in fact Coelho.

You really should contact Cherry Melllo.

JR

[Cheri Mello]

I'm working on it. I had some triplicates in my database on this line and it's a mess. I'm fixing it. They are related to me.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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[Cheri Mello]

JR,

On the 7 Feb 1876 marriage of Jose de Mello and Jacinta Julia who needed permission to marry, I'm reading maternal grandmother (avó). Avô (with the hat) is grandfather. And it would be avó materna for grandmother and avô materno for grandfather, correct? Because if the guy was careless with diacritics I could go off of the adjective. Or is it too early in the morning for me to think?

Thanks, Cheri

Cheri Mello
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[John JMR]

You are crrect. However my wife says that spelling is quite formal and they used to refer them with V's. Va vó  and Va vô.

JR

[Lilian Martins]

Good evening!

I am extremely grateful for the information that was sent. I Will certainly greatly enrich my search.

Lílian Martins 

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[Donna Hinson]

That 'informal' way is how we used to address our grandparents as well.  I've seen grandmother as both Va-Vó and Vo-Vó and grandfather as Vo-Vô.  But when my cousins and I are writing, we don't use accent marks and simply use Vo-Vo and Vu-Vu...maybe because when children, we didn't know how to properly pronounce or spell the Portuguese terms.  What children call their grandparents when little seems to stick forever no matter the language!

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[Cheri Mello]

The Catholic Church (and the Civil Registries) are going to be very formal and always use avó and avô. Spoken languages are always different than the formal written form.

Cheri Mello
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[Cheri Mello]

Lilian,

Approximately what year did they go to Brasil?

Thanks, Cheri

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

[Lilian Martins]

Hello Cheri !

We aren't sure,  but around 1902.

Cheri , my sister took a DNA test and you appeared as part of our family tree. She actually exchanged a few emails with you a few years ago. Her name is Lúcia Leão and I'll ask her to get back in touch with you.

Thank you 

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[Cheri Mello]

Lilian,

Have you looked for them leaving São Miguel in the Azorean passaportes yet?

https://tombo.pt/d/acores#PDL

Cheri Mello
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