Who are Christians & Atheists

[Calvary Chapel Chaperon]

I am a new person around here. Can anyone give me any advice? Where
should I start?

And who are the Christians of stature around here, and who is the
Atheist commanders?

And does anyone go to Calvary Chapel on this website?

[Simpleton]

On Aug 29, 4:20 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am a new person around here. Can anyone give me any advice?

Yes, please read the Pages (click on the link to your right), and
glance through the discussions to get an idea of what gets discussed,
what gets discussed often, and the issues that are debated.

> Where should I start?
>

At the beginning if you can. For example, do you consider yourself a
Yezidi?

> And who are the Christians of stature around here,

Liam, semi, bojo. SEARCHER, IAM, La femme, 4praise, traveller (if he
has not finished his leaving process), are top notch Christians. They
each have more stature than a two-storied building named El Niño
*after* it has been ravaged by a tropical cyclone.

> and who is the
> Atheist commanders?
>

We crucified all of them yesterday over a silly little bet, and
waiting for them to be resurrected. In the meantime, you should
direct all veiled threats to bonfly, who is Acting Commander in
Charge.

> And does anyone go to Calvary Chapel on this website?

No, we never go anywhere on this website. Previous attempts at
booking a cruise to have failed due to internal dissent on where to go.

[Observer]

On Aug 29, 4:20 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am a new person around here. Can anyone give me any advice? Where
> should I start?
>
> And who are the Christians of stature around here, and who is the
> Atheist commanders?

Observer

I am a non believer and completely against Christian superstitious
filth.

You are obviously undereducated in relation to what unbelievers are
and are not . The only thing we have in common is a general respect
for critical thinking as applied to scientific method and a complete
lack of belief in any god or gods. We have no commanders and no
hierarchy .

If you wish to assert that the christian god is a reality then please
give us scientifically verifiable substantiating data. We will analyze
it and get back to you.

As for Christians, there is one who is reasonably solvent,
intellectually.
Though I have grave concerns about his claims of a personal
relationship whit the mythological Christ.

His handle is oldman for a religious nut case he is at least an honest
and intelligent man.

Welcome to the debate , I certainly hope that you do better than your
brethren.

Regards

Psychonomist

>
> And does anyone go to Calvary Chapel on this website?

Observer
Sounds like as much fun as a chapped ass.
I think I'll pass.

Regards
Psychonomiswt

[Mike L.]

Advice? Get out quick. Serious- leave. Its the advice I'd
give my own brother.

On Aug 29, 7:20 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[bojo]

Gee Simpleton,

That's the nicest thing you've ever said about me. I'm truly
touched.

On Aug 29, 6:39 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 4:20 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I am a new person around here. Can anyone give me any advice?
>
>

> > And who are the Christians of stature around here,
>
> Liam, semi, bojo. SEARCHER, IAM, La femme, 4praise, traveller (if he
> has not finished his leaving process), are top notch Christians. They
> each have more stature than a two-storied building named El Niño
> *after* it has been ravaged by a tropical cyclone.
>

I have it, I've saved it and you can never take it back. :)

Best Regards,
bj

[Simpleton]

On Aug 29, 5:07 pm, "Mike L." <violinm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Advice? Get out quick. Serious- leave. Its the advice I'd
> give my own brother.
>

...but apparently not heed yourself. Look, if you want to leave,
leave. I'd not want you to, but it is your option.

But please try not to drive people away, we need more people. I'd
prefer it if I did not have to taunt CCC into staying, but I'll if
need be.

Besides it is not as if this group requires some tithing to join.
It's free.

[Mike]

On Aug 29, 5:20 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am a new person around here. Can anyone give me any advice? Where
> should I start?

Hi,

Here's the low-down bro.

1. Don't ever argue and/or apologize to Dev. It's like a death
sentence.
2. No, Bonfly does not have Tourettes.
3. Simpleton might seem interesting at first but...
4. Don't tell anybody that they're going to hell even if that's what
you believe(you won't last long if you do)
5. Don't try to change everybody
6. There is a strong atheist clique here, they've seen every argument
under the sun
7. The only way to survive as a Christian on this site...

is to act like one.

Sincerely,

Evil Mike One

>
> And who are the Christians of stature around here, and who is the
> Atheist commanders?

The atheists don't have a commander. We have a prince. Prince Timmy
Dev. His father is King Observer the Eccentric and sometimes
insightful.

The chief apostle on the block is Oldman. We also have an apologist
named Delusional?.(The ? is part of his name)

Welcome aboard.

[Dev]

Don't listen to anyone named "Mike" here. They are just bullshitting
you and pretending to be humans.

On Aug 29, 5:20 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[bojo]

Welcome CCC,

We Christians need all the support we can get here.
My advice after lurking around for a couple months;
If you want to start a thread regarding a new revelation (no pun
intended) you may have, give the subject a search in this NG to
see if it's already been shreded by the other side. They've seen
most of the arguments and some of them don't like to repeat
themselves.

On Aug 29, 6:20 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Dave]

On Aug 29, 4:20 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am a new person around here. Can anyone give me any advice? Where
> should I start?

By actually reading the bible. Once you read it honestly instead of
worshiping it, you will no longer be able to believe a word of it.

> And who are the Christians of stature around here, and who is the
> Atheist commanders?

No christians of stature.... although many of them think very highly
of themselves. No Atheist commanders either. Atheists do not have
leaders - or followers.

> And does anyone go to Calvary Chapel on this website?

Why would I waste my time in a chuch when I can be outside enjoying
this short life we get?

[Mike]

This is Dave.

He is this pissed all the time.

Be gentle.

[LiamToo]

On Aug 29, 6:20 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am a new person around here. Can anyone give me any advice? Where
> should I start?

Welcome brother, you've just started.

> And who are the Christians of stature around here,

I'm a Christian and you can ask me for support if you need to.

> and who is the Atheist commanders?

They don't have commanders. Although most of them have similar
doctrine and dogmas about their atheist religion (yep, the US Supreme
Court says it's a religion, otherwise the law will not protect them),
the stalwarts are Simpleton, Lois (aka LL), Mike from Texas, Stephen
(although he's becomming a Christian more and more each day) et al.

> And does anyone go to Calvary Chapel on this website?

Do you know Ken Graves? He is the founder of Calgary Chapel in Bangor
Maine.

[lawrey]

Yo! CCC,

Take you own advice after you had a taste then if you
don't like it run and take the blame on your own shoulders.

All the christians and you are now included since you mention
chapel, are deluded and are tolerated for the fun of seeing them
squirm. make up your own mind as to stature when you see
how they bleed.

As for the atheists we are all individuals with varying talents
and quite agressive. One thing we would wish you to get clear
from the start is Atheist = Non Belief in gods! Punct!! Got it?
Don't say you were not told! I personally have a low toleration
of the name let alone a definition, so don't try me.
Don't preach!

As for going to Calvary on this website. Good trick if you can manage
it'

I'm Lawrey, be good and if you can't be good, be careful!

On Aug 30, 12:20 am, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Simpleton]

On Aug 30, 7:02 am, LiamToo <liamtoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Although most of them have similar
> doctrine and dogmas about their atheist religion (yep, the US Supreme
> Court says it's a religion, otherwise the law will not protect them)

Just another falsehood manufactured by, who else, an AvC Christian.

[LiamToo]

Nope, it was a real case. In Torcaso v. Watkins (1961), the US Supreme
Court wrote that "those religions based on a belief in the existence
of God as against those religions founded on different beliefs"
Military draft cases of the 1960s broadened the view of religion to
include non-traditional belief systems.The Court held in 1965 that a
person did not have to believe in a Supreme Being, a theistic belief,
to claim conscientious objector status to military service.

[Calvary Chapel Chaperon]

Wow! I think I am going to like this place! I will try to post when I
can, Christian brothers! THIS IS GOING TO BE A WAR!!!!!

To Simpleton: What is a Yezidi? And don't worry. I will stay.

To Bojo: You need all the help you can get? Who is winning the war?

[Simpleton]

Neither the word "atheism", nor the phrase "otherwise the law will not
protect them" or anything remotely resembling either appears in the
above. Not to mention that atheism is a lack of belief, not a belief.

Like I said, just another falsehood manufactured by, who else, an AvC
Christian. But thank you very much for illustrating my claim so
clearly Liam, I really appreciate it.

[La femme]

On Aug 29, 4:39 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:

> Liam, semi, bojo. SEARCHER, IAM, La femme, 4praise, traveller (if he
> has not finished his leaving process), are top notch Christians. They
> each have more stature than a two-storied building named El Niño
> *after* it has been ravaged by a tropical cyclone.

Uhhmm...I wasn't aware that I was a Christian, where did you get that
impression?

[Dev]

Ambiguity is a theist's best friend.

[bojo]

We're vastly outnumbered here CCC.

On Aug 30, 12:22 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[LiamToo]

On Aug 30, 12:36 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 10:16 am, LiamToo <liamtoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 30, 12:00 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 30, 7:02 am, LiamToo <liamtoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Although most of them have similar
> > > > doctrine and dogmas about their atheist religion (yep, the US Supreme
> > > > Court says it's a religion, otherwise the law will not protect them)
>
> > > Just another falsehood manufactured by, who else, an AvC Christian.
>
> > Nope, it was a real case. In Torcaso v. Watkins (1961), the US Supreme
> > Court wrote that "those religions based on a belief in the existence
> > of God as against those religions founded on different beliefs"
> > Military draft cases of the 1960s broadened the view of religion to
> > include non-traditional belief systems.The Court held in 1965 that a
> > person did not have to believe in a Supreme Being, a theistic belief,
> > to claim conscientious objector status to military service.
>
> Neither the word "atheism", nor the phrase "otherwise the law will not
> protect them" or anything remotely resembling either appears in the
> above. Not to mention that atheism is a lack of belief, not a belief.

It is understood that the plaintiff was seeking for the "protection of
the law", the reason why he sued. And since it says "religions based
on abelief in the existence of God" then "religions founded on
different beliefs" go side by side, the Supreme Court need not specify
anything, it's very clear.

There was this "Article 37 of the Declaration of Rights of the
Maryland Constitution", which provides:

"No religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for
any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration
of belief in the existence of God . . . ."

The appellant Torcaso, an atheist, was appointed to the office of
Notary Public by the Governor of Maryland but was refused a commission
to serve because he would not declare his belief in God, based on the
bove provision of Article 37. He then brought this action in a
Maryland Circuit Court to compel issuance of his commission, charging
that the State's requirement that he declare this belief violated "the
First and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United
States .

[Simpleton]

On Aug 30, 10:22 am, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Wow! I think I am going to like this place! I will try to post when I
> can, Christian brothers! THIS IS GOING TO BE A WAR!!!!!
>

Looks like a metaphor used rather glibly by quite a few Christians. I
wonder why some Christians complain about non-Christians associating
violence with Christianity.

>
> To Simpleton: What is a Yezidi? And don't worry. I will stay.
>

Cool, but will you make some efforts in understanding what is being
said, such use Google to figure out what a Yezidi is, at least
sometimes? It isn't an exactly an ambiguous word.

[Simpleton]

On Aug 30, 10:58 am, bojo <BoJo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> We're vastly outnumbered here CCC.
>

Which matters how? All you need are rational arguments, and just one
Christian making them.

[Calvary Chapel Chaperon]

What do you know about Calvary Chapel, LiamToo? Do you go to Pastor
Ken's church? I go to an outreach of that church.

[Simpleton]

You did not have to go through any more trouble, Liam. You already
showed what I said about your falsehood in your last post.

But thank you anyway, I appreciate the efforts you have put in.

[LiamToo]

On Aug 30, 1:44 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> What do you know about Calvary Chapel, LiamToo? Do you go to Pastor
> Ken's church? I go to an outreach of that church.

On your first post, you asked the question, "And does anyone go to

Calvary Chapel on this website?"

Due to my curiousity, I used Google and found Pastor Ken's Calvary
Chapel. It's only a lucky guess that somehow you are associated with
that church.

I'm a poker player and sometimes I scare myself when I use the "poker
player's instinct" and the result is true.

[LiamToo]

And what falsehood was that? That you cannot accept the truth?

The atheist sued and used:

1. Constitutional Amendment 1, which is about the "Establishment
Clause", the unlawful establishment of religion.

2. Constitutional Amendment 14, which is all about the equal
"Protection of the Law."

BTW, the atheist won.

[Simpleton]

Oh I am sorry, it is now several levels deep. This one by you:

"Although most of them have similar doctrine and dogmas about their
atheist religion (yep, the US Supreme Court says it's a religion,
otherwise the law will not protect them)"

You're welcome.

[ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com]

On Aug 30, 10:16 am, LiamToo <liamtoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Yes, there can be theist religions and there can be atheist religions.
Torcaso, however, didn't show that he belonged to an atheist religion;
all he showed was that he was an atheist.

Now, did the Judge who rebuffed the judgment of the Maryland Court of
Appeals indicate that Torcaso obviously belonged to an atheist
religion? No; the judge made two contrasts. The first contrasted
people with religion and people who believed in no religion. The
second contrasted people of theistic religions and people of atheistic
religions. The judge said the state ...
1) Neither can constitutionally pass laws or impose requirements which
aid all religions as against non-believers ...,
2) and neither can aid those religions based on a belief in the

existence of God as against those religions founded on different

beliefs."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torcaso_v._Watkins

The judge's verbiage, viz. the categories contrasted in (1), gives
ample scope for Torcaso to belong to no religion.

[Simpleton]

On Aug 30, 12:21 pm, LiamToo <liamtoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Aug 30, 2:12 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
>
> > Oh I am sorry, it is now several levels deep. This one by you:
>
> > "Although most of them have similar doctrine and dogmas about their
> > atheist religion (yep, the US Supreme Court says it's a religion,
> > otherwise the law will not protect them)"
>
> > You're welcome.
>

> Yes I wrote it.

Good, so you now know the falsehood you propagated.

To summarize the truth:
Atheism is a lack of belief in god(s). Some religions are or may be
atheistic, but the USSC case you cited does not say that atheism is a
religion, or conclude that "it's a religion otherwise the law will not
protect them".

Realization is your first step, Liam.

Again, you're welcome, but I should be thanking you for your able
assistance in illustrating what I said about your claim.

[LiamToo]

On Aug 30, 2:27 pm, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"

<ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes, there can be theist religions and there can be atheist religions.

YYYEEEESSSS, finally from an American atheist.

> Torcaso, however, didn't show that he belonged to an atheist religion;
> all he showed was that he was an atheist.

Yes, he showed that he was an atheist.

> Now, did the Judge who rebuffed the judgment of the Maryland Court of
> Appeals indicate that Torcaso obviously belonged to an atheist
> religion? No; the judge made two contrasts. The first contrasted
> people with religion and people who believed in no religion. The
> second contrasted people of theistic religions and people of atheistic
> religions.

YES!

[ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com]

So, the judge mentions three groups - (1) people of theistic
religions, (2) people of atheistic religions and (3) people of no
religion. So, why do you disingenously insinuate that the Judge pegged
everyone who didn't belong to category 1 as belonging to categofy 2?

[LiamToo]

On Aug 30, 2:29 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
> Good, so you now know the falsehood you propagated.

Still you cannot accept the truth. See ranjit's post, he understood
the law, you didn't and never will because you cannot accept the
truth.

>
> To summarize the truth:
> Atheism is a lack of belief in god(s). Some religions are or may be
> atheistic, but the USSC case you cited does not say that atheism is a
> religion, or conclude that "it's a religion otherwise the law will not
> protect them".

Atheism is a doctrine. Atheists have beliefs

"Atheism is a doctrine that states that nothing exists but natural
phenomena (matter), that thought is a property or function of matter,
and that death irreversibly and totally terminates individual organic
units. This definition means that there are no forces, phenomena, or
entities which exist outside of or apart from physical nature, or
which transcend nature, or are "super" natural, nor can there be.
Humankind is on its own."

"The following definition of Atheism was given to the Supreme Court of
the United States in the case of Murray v. Curlett, 374 U.S. 203, 83
S. Ct. 1560, 10 L.Ed.2d (MD, 1963), to remove reverential Bible
reading and oral unison recitation of the Lord's Prayer in the public
schools."

"Your petitioners are Atheists and they define their beliefs as
follows."

If you like to be a good American atheist, here read more about them:

http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/

> Realization is your first step, Liam.

See ranjit__mathews' post. He understood the Case. He's an American
atheist. All you need is to accept the truth because the truth will
set you free.

[ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com]

On Aug 30, 12:33 pm, LiamToo <liamtoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Aug 30, 2:27 pm, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
>
> <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Yes, there can be theist religions and there can be atheist religions.
>
> YYYEEEESSSS, finally from an American atheist.

I don't know about American atheists; it is in India that it is common
to have the notion that there can be astika (theist) and nastika (non-
theist) religions.

[LiamToo]

On Aug 30, 2:39 pm, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"

<ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> So, the judge mentions three groups - (1) people of theistic
> religions, (2) people of atheistic religions and (3) people of no
> religion. So, why do you disingenously insinuate that the Judge pegged
> everyone who didn't belong to category 1 as belonging to categofy 2

I did not peg anyone belonging to any category. I was just telling
Simpleton that there is 1, 2 and 3 and that's that.

[Simpleton]

On Aug 30, 12:41 pm, LiamToo <liamtoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 2:29 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
>
> > Good, so you now know the falsehood you propagated.
>
> Still you cannot accept the truth.

I did, I spelled it out for you.

> See ranjit's post, he understood
> the law,

Yes he did. Too bad he too had to spell it out for you.

LOL.

[LiamToo]

On Aug 30, 2:43 pm, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"

I thought you are in the sate of Washinhton?

[Simpleton]

Here's what you actually "told":

[LL]

On Aug 29, 4:20 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I am a new person around here. Can anyone give me any advice? Where
> should I start?
>
> And who are the Christians of stature around here, and who is the
> Atheist commanders?

LL: Old Man is the Christian of stature. He's the best one to talk to
about Christian topics.

There are no athesit "commanders" since most atheists don't think in
terms of hierarchy. The best non-believer on the site is Rappoccio, a
physicist with a Ph.D. He doesn't call himself an atheist but an
agnostic, but that's pretty much the same thing, in my opinion. He
gives the best arguments for the rational/scientific approach to life.

There are a few other atheists/agnostics that are very good a
presenting their views and arguing their points.

There are also a few theists who are terrible debaters. Many who can
think of nothing more to do than to throw a bomb and run. They seem to
think this is debating.

[LL]

On Aug 30, 7:02 am, LiamToo <liamtoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

They don't have commanders. Although most of them have similar

doctrine and dogmas about their atheist religion (yep, the US Supreme

Court says it's a religion, otherwise the law will not protect them),
the stalwarts are Simpleton, Lois (aka LL), Mike from Texas, Stephen
(although he's becomming a Christian more and more each day) et al.

LL: One of the first arguments you'll get, CCC, is that atheism is not
a religion, which Liam knows very well, but refuses to accept.

> On Aug 29, 6:20 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
> > I am a new person around here. Can anyone give me any advice? Where
> > should I start?
>

> Welcome brother, you've just started.

>
> > And who are the Christians of stature around here,
>

> I'm a Christian and you can ask me for support if you need to.

>
> > and who is the Atheist commanders?
>

> They don't have commanders. Although most of them have similar

> doctrine and dogmas about their atheist religion (yep, the US Supreme

> Court says it's a religion, otherwise the law will not protect them),
> the stalwarts are Simpleton, Lois (aka LL), Mike from Texas, Stephen
> (although he's becomming a Christian more and more each day) et al.

>
> > And does anyone go to Calvary Chapel on this website?
>

> Do you know Ken Graves? He is the founder of Calgary Chapel in Bangor
> Maine.

[LL]

On Aug 30, 10:16 am, LiamToo <liamtoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 12:00 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
>

> > On Aug 30, 7:02 am, LiamToo <liamtoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Although most of them have similar
> > > doctrine and dogmas about their atheist religion (yep, the US Supreme

> > > Court says it's a religion, otherwise the law will not protect them)
>
> > Just another falsehood manufactured by, who else, an AvC Christian.
>
> Nope, it was a real case. In Torcaso v. Watkins (1961), the US Supreme
> Court wrote that "those religions based on a belief in the existence
> of God as against those religions founded on different beliefs"
> Military draft cases of the 1960s broadened the view of religion to
> include non-traditional belief systems.The Court held in 1965 that a
> person did not have to believe in a Supreme Being, a theistic belief,
> to claim conscientious objector status to military service.

LL: That still doesn't make atheism a religion. It's just like theism.
Theism is not a religion, either. If you think either atheism or
theism are religions, please explain what their doctrines are beyond a
lack of belief in a god and a belief in a god or gods.

[LL]

On Aug 30, 10:22 am, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Wow! I think I am going to like this place! I will try to post when I
> can, Christian brothers! THIS IS GOING TO BE A WAR!!!!!

LL: It's already war--and the Atheists are winning--in fact, they have
won. But join the fun anyway, if you're up to it.

[ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com]

> I thought you are in the sate of Washington?

Are there no Indians in Washington?

[LiamToo]

On Aug 30, 3:56 pm, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"

<ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Are there no Indians in Washington?

There are. :-)

[LiamToo]

Yep, then I clarified it with the numerous message exhanges that we
had.

You're welcome.

[ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com]

On Aug 30, 12:46 pm, LiamToo <liamtoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:

You seemed to claim the Court called atheism a religion:

"the US Supreme Court says it's a religion"

... and you seemed to claim that it's because atheism is a religion
that the law protects atheists:

"otherwise the law will not protect them"

I don't seem to see any context where you acknowledge group 3.

[LiamToo]

On Aug 30, 4:03 pm, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"

On Group 3, I have to study the case again. They seem to belong to the
Humanist group who also petitioned the Supreme Court for something.

If you know, let us know because I don't know yet, but what do I know.

[Simpleton]

Well, all you had to do was that you were wrong when you said "the US

Supreme Court says it's a religion, otherwise the law will not protect

them", which you finally..... wait a friggin' yom, you still have not
done it!

The only thing that you have clarified therefore, is that you stand
behind your original statement of falsehood and now are claming to
have clarified it.

I shall now leave you in the hole you have dug yourself, Liam. This
one's mighty impressive for the sheer pace with which you managed to
get that deep.

Take care.

[Dev]

Ignore Liam. Liam is a shit.

On Aug 30, 12:58 pm, LiamToo <liamtoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 1:44 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > What do you know about Calvary Chapel, LiamToo? Do you go to Pastor
> > Ken's church? I go to an outreach of that church.
>
> On your first post, you asked the question, "And does anyone go to

> Calvary Chapel on this website?"
>

> Due to my curiousity, I used Google and found Pastor Ken's Calvary
> Chapel. It's only a lucky guess that somehow you are associated with
> that church.
>
> I'm a poker player and sometimes I scare myself when I use the "poker
> player's instinct" and the result is true.

[LiamToo]

On Aug 30, 4:18 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
> The only thing that you have clarified therefore, is that you stand
> behind your original statement of falsehood and now are claming to
> have clarified it.

Yep, in messages 17, 19 and 23.

[bonfly]

"Wow! I think I am going to like this place! I will try to post when I

can, Christian brothers! THIS IS GOING TO BE A WAR!!!!!" (Calvery
Chaperon Gamer)

So this is what you do is it? Come onto an unfamiliar message board
and declare war in your second post? That's extraordinarily foolhardy
on your part. When someone shoves the barrel of an Uzzi up your
nostril and says "who's winnin' the war now?" don't say you didn't ask
for it.

On Aug 31, 3:22 am, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Wow! I think I am going to like this place! I will try to post when I
> can, Christian brothers! THIS IS GOING TO BE A WAR!!!!!
>

> To Simpleton: What is a Yezidi? And don't worry. I will stay.
>
> To Bojo: You need all the help you can get? Who is winning the war?

[Mike]

On Aug 30, 12:08 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 10:58 am, bojo <BoJo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > We're vastly outnumbered here CCC.
>
> Which matters how? All you need are rational arguments, and just one
> Christian making them.

Untrue in any practical sense.

[Calvary Chapel Chaperon]

I think I am going to leave. Instead of trying to convert, all you
people are doing is wasting your time bickering. I thought the point
of this group was to convert, but I was incorrect. I am done.

[bonfly]

... off to the land of the zaccubi.

On Aug 31, 8:22 am, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Simpleton]

On Aug 30, 3:22 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think I am going to leave. Instead of trying to convert, all you
> people are doing is wasting your time bickering. I thought the point
> of this group was to convert, but I was incorrect. I am done.

Oh, so you *were* indeed hoping to convert people with your loving
Declaration of War? That conjures up images of conversion by the
sword, apparently a popular medieval technique successfully employed
by the True Christians of Yoms Past.

Ta ta. The door jams sometimes, but you'll figure it out.

[OldMan]

On Aug 30, 3:22 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think I am going to leave. Instead of trying to convert, all you
> people are doing is wasting your time bickering. I thought the point
> of this group was to convert, but I was incorrect. I am done.

Wow! That was shortlived. Introduction, declaration of war and
abandonment all in one short thread.

[ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com]

On Aug 30, 3:22 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think I am going to leave. Instead of trying to convert, all you
> people are doing is wasting your time bickering.

Do stay a little longer. If you want us to try to convert you, all you
had to do was say so.

> I thought the point
> of this group was to convert, but I was incorrect. I am done.

Would you tell us what you'd like to be converted to, or what you
don't want to be converted to? That would tell us whether we are up to
the task.

[Simpleton]

If only Bush would follow suit. ;-)

[Mike L.]

Ha ha ha ha . Really good advice too.

On Aug 29, 8:25 pm, Mike <mblas...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 5:20 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
>
> > I am a new person around here. Can anyone give me any advice? Where
> > should I start?
>

> Hi,
>
> Here's the low-down bro.
>
> 1. Don't ever argue and/or apologize to Dev. It's like a death
> sentence.
> 2. No, Bonfly does not have Tourettes.
> 3. Simpleton might seem interesting at first but...
> 4. Don't tell anybody that they're going to hell even if that's what
> you believe(you won't last long if you do)
> 5. Don't try to change everybody
> 6. There is a strong atheist clique here, they've seen every argument
> under the sun
> 7. The only way to survive as a Christian on this site...
>
> is to act like one.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Evil Mike One
>
>
>
> > And who are the Christians of stature around here, and who is the
> > Atheist commanders?
>
> The atheists don't have a commander. We have a prince. Prince Timmy
> Dev. His father is King Observer the Eccentric and sometimes
> insightful.
>
> The chief apostle on the block is Oldman. We also have an apologist
> named Delusional?.(The ? is part of his name)
>
> Welcome aboard.

[Simpleton]

On Aug 30, 4:28 pm, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
<ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Would you tell us what you'd like to be converted to, or what you
> don't want to be converted to?

I blame meself!

Instead of simply taunting him, I tried feverishly to convert him to a
Yezidi. This obviously caused him deep consternation, and he left.

<opens notebook, enters daily reminder: "Next time, just stick to the
taunting, OK?">

[La femme]

If you say that Atheists are people that don't believe in Gods or a
God then I'm an Atheist as I don't believe in Gods or a God. Is that
clear enough for you and i'm still wondering what gave you the
impression that I was Christian?

On Aug 30, 10:57 am, Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Ambiguity is a theist's best friend.
>
> On Aug 30, 11:56 am, La femme <femmecha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Aug 29, 4:39 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
>
> > > Liam, semi, bojo. SEARCHER, IAM, La femme, 4praise, traveller (if he
> > > has not finished his leaving process), are top notch Christians. They
> > > each have more stature than a two-storied building named El Niño
> > > *after* it has been ravaged by a tropical cyclone.
>
> > Uhhmm...I wasn't aware that I was a Christian, where did you get that
> > impression?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Mike L.]

Bonflys looking up your phone number now.

[Mike L.]

We are going to call it the One Day War in his memory.

[Simpleton]

On Aug 30, 10:56 am, La femme <femmecha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 29, 4:39 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
>
> > Liam, semi, bojo. SEARCHER, IAM, La femme, 4praise, traveller (if he
> > has not finished his leaving process), are top notch Christians. They
> > each have more stature than a two-storied building named El Niño
> > *after* it has been ravaged by a tropical cyclone.
>
> Uhhmm...I wasn't aware that I was a Christian, where did you get that
> impression?

I recalled incorrectly, and for that I offer you my unreserved
apologies.

[Mike L.]

On Aug 30, 6:56 pm, La femme <femmecha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you say that Atheists are people that don't believe in Gods or a
> God then I'm an Atheist as I don't believe in Gods or a God. Is that
> clear enough for you and i'm still wondering what gave you the
> impression that I was Christian?

Any signs of opposition or any signs of decency.

[Dev]

"Ok, let's say I say 'I don't believe in a God/Gods or a Goddess(es),
there is no God' that makes me an Atheist, is that correct?

Does this mean that I should ignore the God(s) that once existed
throughout history and when did God(s) become evil?" - La femme

> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com]

On Aug 30, 4:30 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 4:27 pm, OldMan <edjarr...@msn.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 30, 3:22 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > I think I am going to leave. Instead of trying to convert, all you
> > > people are doing is wasting your time bickering.

> > Wow! That was shortlived. Introduction, declaration of war and
> > abandonment all in one short thread.
> If only Bush would follow suit. ;-)

He tried to but it turned out to be "slam bam; no thank you sir;
you're stuck with me."

[OldMan]

On Aug 30, 4:54 pm, "Mike L." <violinm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> We are going to call it the One Day War in his memory.

LOL. More like 5 hours from declaration to surrender.

[Simpleton]

Strategic redeployment. Not surrender.

[La femme]

On Aug 30, 5:08 pm, Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> "Ok, let's say I say 'I don't believe in a God/Gods or a Goddess(es),
> there is no God' that makes me an Atheist, is that correct?

> Does this mean that I should ignore the God(s) that once existed
> throughout history and when did God(s) become evil?" - La femme

I still don't get how I became Christian based on these questions. I
can see how the second question might make you wonder but it was not
associated with a direct belief in actual God(s) but rather in the
direction that men once believed themselves to be God(s) therefore how
can you simply say that although Gods have been repeatly refered to
throughout history that they don't exist. That would mean that Zeus
who may or may not have been once a living individual and is
represented by the name God does not exist and never existed. On top
of that you said that Gods are evil, in my mind that is saying that
Zeus was Evil. We can't even verify that he existed yet you've already
marked him off as being evil, I still find the subject rather
confusing but that does not mean I believe in a God or Gods it means
i'm interested in the historical aspect of the literature. Does that
clarify things?

[cathyb]

On Aug 31, 9:55 am, "Mike L." <violinm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 6:56 pm, La femme <femmecha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If you say that Atheists are people that don't believe in Gods or a
> > God then I'm an Atheist as I don't believe in Gods or a God. Is that
> > clear enough for you and i'm still wondering what gave you the
> > impression that I was Christian?
>
> Any signs of opposition or any signs of decency.

Pitiful.

>
>
>
> > On Aug 30, 10:57 am, Dev <thedevil...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
> > > Ambiguity is a theist's best friend.
>
> > > On Aug 30, 11:56 am, La femme <femmecha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 29, 4:39 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Liam, semi, bojo. SEARCHER, IAM, La femme, 4praise, traveller (if he
> > > > > has not finished his leaving process), are top notch Christians. They
> > > > > each have more stature than a two-storied building named El Niño
> > > > > *after* it has been ravaged by a tropical cyclone.
>
> > > > Uhhmm...I wasn't aware that I was a Christian, where did you get that
> > > > impression?- Hide quoted text -
>

> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -

[wisdom812@gmail.com]

It is a bottomless pit to have debate with " atheists" who
can not possibly understand Spititualism or the
Wisdom of God. After all; these are people who believe they
originated from monkeys. Most of them do act
like that ! When they get frustrated with believers they
try to intimidate them with four letter words like a
monkey would do if he does not get his way or final word.
Monkeys have a lot of bigotry and hate and believe
they are superior. As Jesus suggested "do not throw your
pearls to the swine for they will sully them". Spiritual
awareness is impossible as long as they believe they are
kings. King monkeys that is. Dealienization is the
key to "intelligent design' . Evolution and creationism are
simply results within the design. In any case we certainly
do not come from monkeys. If that were the case why were
the other monkeys left behind. Please don't say
because of " natural selection ". Dealienization is not
natural selection!!

[OldMan]

On Aug 30, 6:26 pm, "wisdom...@gmail.com" <wisdom...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is a bottomless pit to have debate with " atheists" who
> can not possibly understand Spititualism or the
> Wisdom of God. After all; these are people who believe they
> originated from monkeys. Most of them do act
> like that ! When they get frustrated with believers they
> try to intimidate them with four letter words like a
> monkey would do if he does not get his way or final word.
> Monkeys have a lot of bigotry and hate and believe
> they are superior. As Jesus suggested "do not throw your
> pearls to the swine for they will sully them". Spiritual
> awareness is impossible as long as they believe they are
> kings. King monkeys that is. Dealienization is the
> key to "intelligent design' . Evolution and creationism are
> simply results within the design. In any case we certainly
> do not come from monkeys. If that were the case why were
> the other monkeys left behind. Please don't say
> because of " natural selection ". Dealienization is not
> natural selection!!

You need to invest a bit more time in understanding what evolution
is. Evolution does not say that we came from monkeys, but that we
came from a common ancestor as the monkeys. As far as I can tell,
only people who are opposed to evolution make the claim that you did
about the relationship between humans and monkeys.

>
> On Aug 30, 2:08 pm, Simpleton <hu...@whoever.com> wrote:
>

>
>
> > On Aug 30, 10:58 am, bojo <BoJo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > We're vastly outnumbered here CCC.
>
> > Which matters how? All you need are rational arguments, and just one

> > Christian making them.- Hide quoted text -

[Phillip Montgomery]

1. Don't ever argue and/or apologize to Dev. It's like a death sentence.

Really?  I don't find him that bad.  Mind you I think the only quarrel we have is a minor dispute about a misunderstanding that cause me to launch an attack against some kind of attack he was making against Christianity using a Hitler example...

Dev, does that about make sense?

On 8/29/07, Mike <mbla...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Aug 29, 5:20 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>

[Dave]

On Aug 29, 9:41 pm, Mike <mblas...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is Dave.
>
> He is this pissed all the time.
>
> Be gentle.

"Pissed" or honest?
"Pissed" or bored with moronic christians?
"Pissed" or pissed at these christians trying to run my life and my
country?
"Pissed" or fed up with hypocritical christiians?

Take your pick. :-)

[Dave]

On Aug 30, 10:22 am, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Wow! I think I am going to like this place! I will try to post when I
> can, Christian brothers! THIS IS GOING TO BE A WAR!!!!!

Yep, war is the only way christians can solve their problems.

[Dave]

On Aug 30, 2:03 pm, "ranjit_math...@yahoo.com"
<ranjit_math...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> You seemed to claim the Court called atheism a religion:
> "the US Supreme Court says it's a religion"

I know of no US Supreme Court decision that says Atheism is a
religion.

I know you didn't make the claim, but I sincerely doubt the person
that did make the claim can back it up with a direct quote from the
decision.

[Dave]

On Aug 30, 3:22 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think I am going to leave. Instead of trying to convert, all you

> people are doing is wasting your time bickering. I thought the point
> of this group was to convert, but I was incorrect. I am done.

That's a good little boy.... leave before you make a fool of yourself.
You won't be making any extra points with your little god here.

[Dave]

On Aug 30, 6:26 pm, "wisdom...@gmail.com" <wisdom...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It is a bottomless pit to have debate with " atheists" who
> can not possibly understand Spititualism or the
> Wisdom of God.

Actually, it seems we understand it better than you do. We are smart
enough, and honest enough, to understand that this "spiritualism" is a
bunch of crap. As for gods..... you'd be better off without them.

[cathyb]

He's utterly failed to do so, but refuses to admit his mistake; is
short he's being a tad dishonest. To say the least.

[Mike]

On Aug 30, 8:39 pm, "Phillip Montgomery" <phillipm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > 1. Don't ever argue and/or apologize to Dev. It's like a death sentence.
>

> Really? I don't find him that bad. ]

He's not that bad. He's just intense. I have to give him shit though.
Karma says so.

Mind you I think the only quarrel we
> have is a minor dispute about a misunderstanding that cause me to launch an
> attack against some kind of attack he was making against Christianity using
> a Hitler example...
>
> Dev, does that about make sense?
>

> --
> Phillip Montgomery
> Blog athttp://philtheinfidel.blogspot.com/- Hide quoted text -

[ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com]

On Aug 30, 6:26 pm, "wisdom...@gmail.com" <wisdom...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It is a bottomless pit to have debate with " atheists" who
> can not possibly understand Spititualism or the
> Wisdom of God. After all; these are people who believe they
> originated from monkeys.

Man is too ancient for that. It is gods who originated from from
bulls, monkeys, etc.

http://www.bibleorigins.net/YahwehsBovineFormsImages.html
http://sambali.blogspot.com/2006_10_17_archive.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanuman

[ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com]

... but after 30 years, even they have to take a break to be fruitful
and multiply.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War

So, if CCC beats it, you'll know where he's gone:-)

[Dev]

I'm just going to leave you hanging here. Fun for me.

[La femme]

Probably

[bonfly]

Go nark yourself with a spikey strap-on, Wisdom812..

On Aug 31, 11:26 am, "wisdom...@gmail.com" <wisdom...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Calvary Chapel Chaperon]

You guys don't need to convert me. All I mean is, it says in the
Bible, "If you call someone a fool (or any other bad work you can
think of), you are in danger of the hell fire." All you guys seem to
be doing is just that. My dad and me tried this a while ago. The
atheists will never convert. You can tell them anything, but they
won't ever listen. And if they really do feel like listening, then
they would have on the first post, not the first thousandth post.

[bonfly]

a. most atheists ignore the phrase "it says in the bible."
.
b. most atheists disbelieve in a literal hell fire.
.
c. most atheists don't care what your dad thinks.
.
d. if your so pissed off that you are unable to convert atheists, then
why the fuck did you come here in the first place and why the fuck
don't you just leave right about now?

On Sep 1, 11:29 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Mike]

On Sep 1, 7:45 am, bonfly <anub...@aapt.net.au> wrote:
> a. most atheists ignore the phrase "it says in the bible."
> .
> b. most atheists disbelieve in a literal hell fire.
> .
> c. most atheists don't care what your dad thinks.
> .
> d. if your so pissed off that you are unable to convert atheists, then
> why the fuck did you come here in the first place and why the fuck
> don't you just leave right about now?

I think he was addressing Christians trying to convert *you*.

>
> On Sep 1, 11:29 pm, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > You guys don't need to convert me. All I mean is, it says in the
> > Bible, "If you call someone a fool (or any other bad work you can
> > think of), you are in danger of the hell fire." All you guys seem to
> > be doing is just that. My dad and me tried this a while ago. The
> > atheists will never convert. You can tell them anything, but they
> > won't ever listen. And if they really do feel like listening, then

> > they would have on the first post, not the first thousandth post.- Hide quoted text -

[Dave]

On Sep 1, 6:29 am, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You guys don't need to convert me.

Apparently we do. You have an addiction and you need help. We are the
ones that can help you. Just ask.

> All I mean is, it says in the Bible,

I don't care what the bible says.

> My dad

I don't give a shit about your dad either.

[LL]

On Sep 1, 6:29 am, Calvary Chapel Chaperon <gwsm1...@gmail.com> wrote:

LL: You could say exactly the same thing about theists.

"The theists will never convert. You can tell them anything, but they

> won't ever listen. And if they really do feel like listening, then
> they would have on the first post, not the first thousandth post."

You can be sure that atheists will never listen to anything
irrational. But that's all we get from theists.