by Matt Slick
In my many discussions with atheists, I am frequently challenged to prove God exists. I can do it. I think the cosmological and transcendental arguments are proof enough, but proof is different than persuasion. Atheists just can’t, or should I say won’t, believe God exists.
They can’t find God because first of all, they aren’t looking; and second they want to avoid him. If you don’t believe me, do a test. Find an atheist chat room on the Net and offer any evidence for God you can think of. Then sit back and count the milliseconds before that evidence is attacked. You’ll notice that the longer you defend your evidence, the more fervent will be the attacks on it and, inevitably, on you. Be prepared for some mockery and ridicule. You’ll be told you’re stupid, an idiot, and that you believe in mythology. They’ve got it all figured out, but don’t worry. Their insults are just a bunch of words. Anyway, atheists make it impossible to prove God exists when they have their eyes closed, their fingers in their ears, and they’re calling you names.
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On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:41:37 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:by Matt Slick
In my many discussions with atheists, I am frequently challenged to prove God exists. I can do it. I think the cosmological and transcendental arguments are proof enough, but proof is different than persuasion. Atheists just can’t, or should I say won’t, believe God exists.
They can’t find God because first of all, they aren’t looking; and second they want to avoid him.
If you don’t believe me, do a test. Find an atheist chat room on the Net and offer any evidence for God you can think of.
Then sit back and count the milliseconds before that evidence is attacked.
You’ll notice that the longer you defend your evidence, the more fervent will be the attacks on it and, inevitably, on you.
Be prepared for some mockery and ridicule.
You’ll be told you’re stupid, an idiot, and that you believe in mythology.
They’ve got it all figured out, but don’t worry. Their insults are just a bunch of words.
Anyway, atheists make it impossible to prove God exists when they have their eyes closed, their fingers in their ears, and they’re calling you names.
On May 25, 2015, at 8:02 AM, "'Dingbat' via Atheism vs Christianity"<atheism-vs-christ...@googlegroups.com> wrote:On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 10:35:53 AM UTC-4, yar...@aol.com wrote:On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 7:04:45 AM UTC-7, Dingbat wrote:On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:41:37 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:by Matt Slick
In my many discussions with atheists, I am frequently challenged to prove God exists. I can do it. I think the cosmological and transcendental arguments are proof enough, but proof is different than persuasion. Atheists just can’t, or should I say won’t, believe God exists.
They can’t find God because first of all, they aren’t looking; and second they want to avoid him. If you don’t believe me, do a test. Find an atheist chat room on the Net and offer any evidence for God you can think of. Then sit back and count the milliseconds before that evidence is attacked. You’ll notice that the longer you defend your evidence, the more fervent will be the attacks on it and, inevitably, on you. Be prepared for some mockery and ridicule. You’ll be told you’re stupid, an idiot, and that you believe in mythology. They’ve got it all figured out, but don’t worry. Their insults are just a bunch of words. Anyway, atheists make it impossible to prove God exists when they have their eyes closed, their fingers in their ears, and they’re calling you names.
Suppose a theist doesn't want to avoid the Flying Spaghetti Monster. That eliminates the 2nd obstacle mentioned above, to finding FSM. Now, how would the theist go about looking for FSM?
Any record of eye-witnesses that were arrested, given the option or recanting their relationship with the FSM, and then, having been witnesses to miraculous deeds of the FSM actually...refusing to recant to the point of being brutally executed?
Do any of the accounts of the FSM meet the kind of critical criteria for historical accounts as this example in the bible?
http://str.typepad.com/weblog/2015/05/22-historical-confirmations-in-two-verses.html
It says: "This is not the way you would make up a story if you were going to make it up."
Why would one not make up a story by setting it in a real historical setting? Try reading a Sherlock Holmes story some time. London really exists as does Scotland Yard, Baker St, Tottenham Court Road, Goodge St, etc. Do these prove that Sherlock Holmes existed?You say, "This is not the way you would make up a story if you were going to make it up," but it's exactly the way one would try to make a story believable.
People making up stories are notorious for injecting items about which there is no controversy in order to make their stories more believable. It's called "setting the stage" and it's been going on probably since the dawn of man. Look at any work of fiction and you will see such extraneous items on every page.
LL
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On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:41:37 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:by Matt Slick
In my many discussions with atheists, I am frequently challenged to prove God exists. I can do it. I think the cosmological and transcendental arguments are proof enough, but proof is different than persuasion. Atheists just can’t, or should I say won’t, believe God exists.
Like theists who can't or should I say won't, accept critical thinking?They can’t find God because first of all, they aren’t looking; and second they want to avoid him.
They can't find reason not to believe in fairy tales because, first of all, they aren't looking and second they want to avoid anything that interferes with their gullibility.If you don’t believe me, do a test. Find an atheist chat room on the Net and offer any evidence for God you can think of.
Well, the first problem with that is that there is no evidence for god, so such a test fails at the get-go.Then sit back and count the milliseconds before that evidence is attacked.
It doesn't take any time at all to sit back and wait for the theist to present objective evidence instead of false arguments.You’ll notice that the longer you defend your evidence, the more fervent will be the attacks on it and, inevitably, on
Theists can't possibly defend their evidence, because no evidence is presented. They try to defend their non-existent evidence, and they fail at every attempt.
So, your arguments were not sustained based on sound reasoning, but withered away like the fall leaves in your back yard.
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On May 25, 2015, at 12:21 PM, "'yar...@aol.com' via Atheism vs Christianity"<atheism-vs-christ...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 11:58:25 AM UTC-7, LL wrote:On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:41:37 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:by Matt Slick
In my many discussions with atheists, I am frequently challenged to prove God exists. I can do it. I think the cosmological and transcendental arguments are proof enough, but proof is different than persuasion. Atheists just can’t, or should I say won’t, believe God exists.
Like theists who can't or should I say won't, accept critical thinking?They can’t find God because first of all, they aren’t looking; and second they want to avoid him.
They can't find reason not to believe in fairy tales because, first of all, they aren't looking and second they want to avoid anything that interferes with their gullibility.
If you don’t believe me, do a test. Find an atheist chat room on the Net and offer any evidence for God you can think of.
Well, the first problem with that is that there is no evidence for god, so such a test fails at the get-go.Then sit back and count the milliseconds before that evidence is attacked.
It doesn't take any time at all to sit back and wait for the theist to present objective evidence instead of false arguments.You’ll notice that the longer you defend your evidence, the more fervent will be the attacks on it and, inevitably, on
Theists can't possibly defend their evidence, because no evidence is presented. They try to defend their non-existent evidence, and they fail at every attempt.
That is simply not so. There have been numerous times in our discussions here where your arguments against my views have reduced to nothing more than a bunch of informal fallacies.Bring them up and show me where i have used informal fallacies. Making a broad, unproven statement like that does nothing for your veracity.So, your arguments were not sustained based on sound reasoning, but withered away like the fall leaves in your back yard.State them then. I have no idea what you are talking about. If you can prove your statement, do it. Making a wild,unspecific statement that my arguments are not based in sound reasoning means absolutely nothing. Show the evidence. The ball is in your court.
LL
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Realistic fiction was not invented until millennia after this was written.
I think this is just an example of our imposition of the views of our times on documents from history that is completely inappropriate.
People making up stories are notorious for injecting items about which there is no controversy in order to make their stories more believable.
On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 7:04:45 AM UTC-7, Dingbat wrote:On Monday, May 25, 2015 at 9:41:37 AM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:by Matt Slick
In my many discussions with atheists, I am frequently challenged to prove God exists. I can do it. I think the cosmological and transcendental arguments are proof enough, but proof is different than persuasion. Atheists just can’t, or should I say won’t, believe God exists.
They can’t find God because first of all, they aren’t looking; and second they want to avoid him. If you don’t believe me, do a test. Find an atheist chat room on the Net and offer any evidence for God you can think of. Then sit back and count the milliseconds before that evidence is attacked. You’ll notice that the longer you defend your evidence, the more fervent will be the attacks on it and, inevitably, on you. Be prepared for some mockery and ridicule. You’ll be told you’re stupid, an idiot, and that you believe in mythology. They’ve got it all figured out, but don’t worry. Their insults are just a bunch of words. Anyway, atheists make it impossible to prove God exists when they have their eyes closed, their fingers in their ears, and they’re calling you names.
Suppose a theist doesn't want to avoid the Flying Spaghetti Monster. That eliminates the 2nd obstacle mentioned above, to finding FSM. Now, how would the theist go about looking for FSM?
Any record of eye-witnesses