the Self according to Gita

[roomsearching]

In its deepest essence, the human soul is identical with the immortal Brahman that sustains the entire universe. Bhagavad Gita says that "those who know the soul, are immortal."

I shall tell you of the soul. The soul is God who is immortal and infinite, who has no beginning and will have no end, and who both exists and does not exist. Those who know the soul, are immortal.

The soul dwells in every living being, and in every part of every living being; it dwells in the hand and the foot, the skull and the mouth, the eye and the ear. Although it does not itself have senses, it shines through every sense. It is completely independent, yet all beings depend on it.

The soul is both near every living being, and far from every being. The soul is both inside and outside every living being. The soul is the cause of movement, but does not itself move. The soul is one, yet has innumerable forms. The soul creates, preserves, and destroys.

The soul is the light of every light; and its light transcends the duality of brightness and darkness. The soul is the light of knowledge; and its light is also the goal of knowledge. In the soul the subject and object of knowledge are one.

Bhagavad Gita 13.12-17

[Mark Ty-Wharton]

I have been reading Science Of Getting Rich and it says exactly the same thing!

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[Marcus]

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Brilliant, thank you Roomsearching,

“The soul is one, yet has innumerable forms. The soul creates,
preserves, and destroys”

It is so difficult to put into words a disruption of the soul. I
think you have to be in a certain mind set to grasp just how elegant
these words are. The real trick with enlightened self realisation was
simply to come to know ones own soul. In doing so the whole
experience of being self, expands into an unlimited possibility.
Human death is seen as just another bus ride to the park. All the
'stuff' continues but is simply seen for what it truly is.
Temporal. The soul is the passenger in the vessel of the human
sentient being. Our spirit is the temporary blend of those
circumstances.

“who both exists and does not exist.”

The KEY is to surrender to the truth, that we exist and don’t exist in
the same moment.

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On Aug 30, 6:14 pm, Mark Ty-Wharton <m...@ty-wharton.com> wrote:
> I have been reading Science Of Getting Rich and it says exactly the same
> thing!
>

> On 30 August 2011 00:23, roomsearching <roomsearch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In its deepest essence, the human soul is identical with the immortal
> > Brahman that sustains the entire universe. Bhagavad Gita says that "those
> > who know the soul, are immortal."
>

> > *I shall tell you of the soul. The soul is God who is immortal and

> > infinite, who has no beginning and will have no end, and who both exists and

> > does not exist. Those who know the soul, are immortal.*
>
> > *The soul dwells in every living being, and in every part of every living

> > being; it dwells in the hand and the foot, the skull and the mouth, the eye
> > and the ear. Although it does not itself have senses, it shines through

> > every sense. It is completely independent, yet all beings depend on it.*
>
> > *The soul is both near every living being, and far from every being. The

> > soul is both inside and outside every living being. The soul is the cause of
> > movement, but does not itself move. The soul is one, yet has innumerable

> > forms. The soul creates, preserves, and destroys.*
>
> > *The soul is the light of every light; and its light transcends the

> > duality of brightness and darkness. The soul is the light of knowledge; and
> > its light is also the goal of knowledge. In the soul the subject and object

> > of knowledge are one.*
>
> > *Bhagavad Gita 13.12-17*
>
> --
> *mark ty wharton
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[Mark Ty-Wharton]

I don't have that interpretation Marcus.

I have that there is no real me and in that complete freedom.

The soul for me is as conceptual as any other idea I have about a me.

As far as I can tell, the I that was believed to be an I was just a set of conditions that my upbringing called Mark.

The conditions are still here, still relevant, still doing their thing in the world.

The joke is, they are meaningless.

Soul carries way too much weight and meaning.

My feeling about reality is that it is light, it has no real form.

All that is, IS all that is and through my beliefs, filters and perceptions, there is an illusion of reality. 

My mind creates an artificial environment for "me" to show up in.

Because the environment is not real, it is an artificial construct, then the "me" cannot be real.

Without the artificial reality sleep.

Sure I get that something never changing, aware of this and ever present arises deep inside of this but I don't choose to call it a soul.

This quality is prior even to that concept.

Kind regards,

Mark

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___________________________________________________________________________________________

Caveat-autismus: Aspergers Syndrome? From time to time I take things literally and respond in a way that 

annoys people. 

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[Mark Ty-Wharton]

Without the artificial reality sleep.

Sorry - to make this completely clear - awareness can only ever be artificial - we have no real sense of reality - the senses are unable to convey an accurate interpretation of the universe in any conditions, so even the deepest meditation is coloured by the mind, beliefs, perception et al. Unless the mind is absolutely still, without input (eyes and ears closed nothing to interpret) then artificial reality is present and the truth cannot be seen.

It can be seen that what is being seen cannot be the truth.

And in that revelation, an opening for the possibility of enlightenment.

But it is only a possibility, the being of which can provide freedom from identity.

None of this negates my own personal stories about compassion, kindness, love, souls etc

But all those concepts are born of identity.

Kind regards,

Mark 

[roomsearching]

There is pure awareness and it is absolutely real and homogeneous - gives the exact feeling to every individual who experiences it. It has got nothing to do with the senses. Any healthy individual will experience the same pure consciousness inside himself as what I am experiencing inside me. This is why it is called as reality -because it is objective and identical for every person who wants to see it. There is a reality. If you dont know it yet, you just have to meditate more or just go about whichever path you would love to take up. The exact nature of pure consciousness is the feeling "I " which constantly keeps being bombarded from the heart area. It is more like a feeling. This is the source of everything you are. It is the main switch to the circuit which leads to your brain, your senses and your thoughts. Before any thought arises, there is pure consciousness. And food mixes with pure consciousness to create thought.

[Marcus]

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Great post, thanks,

Mark said
“But all those concepts are born of identity. “

We have all become quite skilled at this wordplay, which is perfect.
Because each one of us is the apparition “concepts are born of
identity” it is perfect and right that each of us would arrive at the
same realisation but with differing explanations.
I think we are all there, correct in our own way.

Gita said,
“It is completely independent, yet all beings depend on it”
“who both exists and does not exist”

This is the true elegance of us born of identity. We know enough to
see that we can-not see.
This knowing is the freedom that reconnects the mind with the whole.
No limits all is in order, the mind is at last open for business.
Like the PC that just found it’s internet connection, now there is a
universe to explore.

Life never dies ………….. is never separated … is never born. We are
life.


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On Sep 2, 1:48 am, roomsearching <roomsearch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is pure awareness and it is absolutely real and homogeneous - gives
> the exact feeling to every individual who experiences it. It has got nothing
> to do with the senses. Any healthy individual will experience the same pure
> consciousness inside himself as what I am experiencing inside me. This is
> why it is called as reality -because it is objective and identical for every
> person who wants to see it. There is a reality. If you dont know it yet, you
> just have to meditate more or just go about whichever path you would love to
> take up. The exact nature of pure consciousness is the feeling "I " which
> constantly keeps being bombarded from the heart area. It is more like a
> feeling. This is the source of everything you are. It is the main switch to
> the circuit which leads to your brain, your senses and your thoughts. Before
> any thought arises, there is pure consciousness. And food mixes with pure
> consciousness to create thought.
>

> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Mark Ty-Wharton <m...@ty-wharton.com>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Without the artificial reality sleep.
>
> > Sorry - to make this completely clear - awareness can only ever be
> > artificial - we have no real sense of reality - the senses are unable to
> > convey an accurate interpretation of the universe in any conditions, so even
> > the deepest meditation is coloured by the mind, beliefs, perception et al.
> > Unless the mind is absolutely still, without input (eyes and ears closed
> > nothing to interpret) then artificial reality is present and the truth
> > cannot be seen.
>
> > It can be seen that what is being seen cannot be the truth.
>
> > And in that revelation, an opening for the possibility of enlightenment.
>
> > But it is only a possibility, the being of which can provide freedom from
> > identity.
>
> > None of this negates my own personal stories about compassion, kindness,
> > love, souls etc
>
> > But all those concepts are born of identity.
>
> > Kind regards,
>
> > Mark
>
> > --

> > *mark ty wharton
> > _____________________________________________________
> > ______________________________________

> > Caveat-autismus: Aspergers Syndrome? From time to time I take things
> > literally and respond in a way that
> > annoys people.
> > The space you need to listen/read messages from is: "this guy is on my
> > side".
> > Use everything for your personal growth.
> > The contents of this e-mail and the context of the message and any
> > attachments are intended for the recipient only.
> > You may not copy, or redistribute the contents of this email without the
> > express, written consent of the author.
>
> > mark ty-wharton is a British author, composer and public speaker

> > facebook:http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mark-Ty-Wharton<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mark-Ty-Wharton/151886828210115>
> > web:http://mark.ty-wharton.com

[Mark Ty-Wharton]

On 2 September 2011 01:48, roomsearching <roomse...@gmail.com> wrote:

There is pure awareness and it is absolutely real and homogeneous - gives the exact feeling to every individual who experiences it. It has got nothing to do with the senses. Any healthy individual will experience the same pure consciousness inside himself as what I am experiencing inside me. This is why it is called as reality -because it is objective and identical for every person who wants to see it. There is a reality. If you dont know it yet, you just have to meditate more or just go about whichever path you would love to take up. The exact nature of pure consciousness is the feeling "I " which constantly keeps being bombarded from the heart area. It is more like a feeling. This is the source of everything you are. It is the main switch to the circuit which leads to your brain, your senses and your thoughts. Before any thought arises, there is pure consciousness. And food mixes with pure consciousness to create thought. 

I am really pleased you have found this and are able to hold it within your experience as a constant, for me it comes and goes. 

Don't dwell on it, for it too is illusory.

It is of your choosing and yet you are not chosen by it. 

There is only what is happening in any given moment.

I don't have to meditate more or less to get reality.

I cannot get reality because I show up in reality. 

An analogy would be that a cinema projection never sees the reality of what it is, light. It cannot see the light because it is the light. It has no opposite.

It is as simple as this and yet it is missed.

Things are only what they are in your reality.

Reality is reality.

If I cannot see reality it is because I already am reality.

Something, like that!

[godszen]

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[roomsearching]

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On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:34 AM, godszen <god...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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[godszen]

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On Aug 29, 4:23 pm, roomsearching <roomsearch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In its deepest essence, the human soul is identical with the immortal
> Brahman that sustains the entire universe. Bhagavad Gita says that "those
> who know the soul, are immortal."
>

> *I shall tell you of the soul. The soul is God who is immortal and infinite,

> who has no beginning and will have no end, and who both exists and does not

> exist. Those who know the soul, are immortal.*
>
> *The soul dwells in every living being, and in every part of every living

> being; it dwells in the hand and the foot, the skull and the mouth, the eye
> and the ear. Although it does not itself have senses, it shines through

> every sense. It is completely independent, yet all beings depend on it.*
>
> *The soul is both near every living being, and far from every being. The

> soul is both inside and outside every living being. The soul is the cause of
> movement, but does not itself move. The soul is one, yet has innumerable

> forms. The soul creates, preserves, and destroys.*
>
> *The soul is the light of every light; and its light transcends the duality

> of brightness and darkness. The soul is the light of knowledge; and its
> light is also the goal of knowledge. In the soul the subject and object of

> knowledge are one.*
>
> *Bhagavad Gita 13.12-17*