What would a range extender be worth?
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Doc Pepper
Jul 1, 2011, 9:58:34 PM7/1/11
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I am an experimenter. I have been studying something called free
energy for years. One of the devices disclosed to me took a small
trigger voltage to extract 10KW from the static electricity in the
air. Now keep in mind, I am not talking about creating free energy,
but doing the electronic equivalent of placing a sail in the air to
power a sailboat (the energy is already there, we are just giving it
an easier path to follow and allowing it to do some work as it goes).
I had originally gotten into this field in the hopes of escaping from
the high prices of transportation fuel. Even an electric car with a
range of 50-100 miles is a wonderful improvement. But without the
refueling capabilities that currently bless the gasoline industry, no
range less than a full days drive is satisfactory. And my plan was to
utilize one of the free energy devices to provide all the power for
the car.
But there was a huge problem; Building the device, and then modifying
it for variable drive conditions was a huge undertaking, and I was
getting discouraged. But then I thought "What if I just added the
device to an already existing electric car fully equipped with
batteries and just used it to extend the time that the car could run
before recharging.
Say you get 40-50 mpc now, but with the range extender (RE) you can
drive 80-100 miles before you need to charge the batteries. Or even
better, go from 50 mpc to 500 mpc and also have the ability to
recharge the batteries completely if you just stopped periodically and
left the RE running.
Now, before I go any further, I must state that I am not selling
anything. I do not want any money. I have everything I need and am
just doing this because of a desire for knowledge. If I ever built a
unit that worked, I would be happier showing others how to built one
than trying to sell mine.
I do believe that, in the future, cars that run fuel free will be the
norm. So any progress toward that end is inevitable.
But, just for arguments sake, if you could purchase a fuel extender,
what would it be worth?
Doc
Oh, BTW, the device I am working on is called a Don L. Smith energy
device and you can read all about it on the 'net.
energy for years. One of the devices disclosed to me took a small
trigger voltage to extract 10KW from the static electricity in the
air. Now keep in mind, I am not talking about creating free energy,
but doing the electronic equivalent of placing a sail in the air to
power a sailboat (the energy is already there, we are just giving it
an easier path to follow and allowing it to do some work as it goes).
I had originally gotten into this field in the hopes of escaping from
the high prices of transportation fuel. Even an electric car with a
range of 50-100 miles is a wonderful improvement. But without the
refueling capabilities that currently bless the gasoline industry, no
range less than a full days drive is satisfactory. And my plan was to
utilize one of the free energy devices to provide all the power for
the car.
But there was a huge problem; Building the device, and then modifying
it for variable drive conditions was a huge undertaking, and I was
getting discouraged. But then I thought "What if I just added the
device to an already existing electric car fully equipped with
batteries and just used it to extend the time that the car could run
before recharging.
Say you get 40-50 mpc now, but with the range extender (RE) you can
drive 80-100 miles before you need to charge the batteries. Or even
better, go from 50 mpc to 500 mpc and also have the ability to
recharge the batteries completely if you just stopped periodically and
left the RE running.
Now, before I go any further, I must state that I am not selling
anything. I do not want any money. I have everything I need and am
just doing this because of a desire for knowledge. If I ever built a
unit that worked, I would be happier showing others how to built one
than trying to sell mine.
I do believe that, in the future, cars that run fuel free will be the
norm. So any progress toward that end is inevitable.
But, just for arguments sake, if you could purchase a fuel extender,
what would it be worth?
Doc
Oh, BTW, the device I am working on is called a Don L. Smith energy
device and you can read all about it on the 'net.
Jorg Brown
Jul 1, 2011, 10:16:51 PM7/1/11
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"Doc Pepper", if that is your real name,
Please go away. The people on this list are too smart for your B.S., and we don't want the very real technology of electric cars to be associated with scams.
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Peter Thompson
Jul 3, 2011, 8:30:08 PM7/3/11
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I second that. I have gone to the 'net, and found only disproof that
those "inventions" work.
Go away.
those "inventions" work.
Go away.
Doc Pepper
Jul 4, 2011, 1:30:53 AM7/4/11
to 914ev
Years ago I built my first electric car -- from scratch. I welded a
frame, fabricated the drive-train, modified a tractor motor, and, ...
more important..., made every mistake an electric car builder could
make. But, after a great struggle, I completed it. Because it was
home built and electric I could not insure it and could not drive it
on the public roads. So my entire first effort was relegated to off
road around the shop. But the final nail in the coffin was the
batteries. My greatest range achieved was less than a mile. So I
quit. Of course I was poor and the entire project was built on a
shoestring budget. The batteries were regular car batteries sold to
me in deceit as deep cycles (I learned the truth when I learned more
about batteries and tore these apart). But, none the less, I gave up.
Today, I know all that I had done wrong back then and I could probably
write a book about it (No! I am NOT selling a book). But at the time,
I tossed it off as a failure and went on studying all forms of
disciplines that might come in handy should I decide to try again
later on.
Over ten years passed when I found my current 914 in a wrecking yard
almost by mistake. The offering price of 600 dollars was exactly the
amount I received from my insurance company when my last Porsche was T-
boned at an intersection (the at-fault driver had no insurance), so I
considered this one a gift from GOD and purchased it. Unfortunately,
it had all the unwanted rust in all the unwanted areas (passenger
floor, engine compartment, windshield frame, and so on). As I was
contemplating restoring it, a workmate and close friend reminded me of
all that I had been talking about for years pertaining to electric
cars and suggested that I convert this one. I took his advice
seriously and planned just that.
I visited countless websites, studied countless manuals, read
countless tutorials, endured countless advertising and brochures from
so-called experts on electric cars. Most were useless to any serious
electric car enthusiast. Others were scams. The rest were all
worthless documents from other electric car newbies, or salesmen in
sheep's clothing.
What I learned from all of this was that I had already learned more
than any other contacts I encountered.
Like at least 100 other members of this group, I am only interested in
propelling myself inexpensively and in a manner of which I can
maintain on my own, hopefully free of the pollution that now causes me
to cough when I am in traffic.
Electric drives are such a fashion. They are simple (or at least they
should be), clean, and easily maintained.
Unfortunately they have no range.
My choices with this new 914 were: Rebuild the engine, after which I
can get 40-50 MPG for the next 100,000+ miles, or convert to electric
and get the equivalent of 200+ MPG but have an extremely short range.
Since returning, I have discovered that most electric car enthusiasts
are looking for better batteries. But this is wrong. The new Lifepo4
batteries are the equivalent of a 200 gallon gas tank. But you still
have to fill it with your own energy. When will the unsuspecting
Electric Car Enthusiast (ECU) learn that. It isn't the size of the
fuel tank, but the ability to keep it fueled! And, instead of tossing
my money to the Arabs for gas, I am tossing it to the Communist
Chinese for batteries!
Hence my foray into Free Energy.
Recently, in this latest endeavor, I have encountered a show called
EVTV. I am sure all of the other members of this group have already
heard of (and seen) it. But I hadn't. So I watched all of the
archived episodes to learn as much as I could about the latest and
greatest about electric cars. Unfortunately, most of that viewing was
enduring very savvy salesmanship. The shows main focus is on having
you buy someone else's product (at a very expensive price). There is
no self investigation about electric car technology. And the reason
is simple. There is no money without commerce. There is no money in
FREE. You will never achieve freedom by buying someone else's
product! If you don't do it on your own, it will never get done!
But I still watch the videos and try to learn more and more about this
wonderful activity.
Now, to my last post in this group (the first one of this thread), I
discovered 2 sayings used by Jack Rickard in his EVTV videos: "What is
it worth," and "Who will buy it." And I used one of them in my first
post in this thread. That is all. Nothing hidden. Nothing secret.
Nothing underhanded. I thought every one who read it, since they also
saw EVTV, would realize this.
Now this is not a defense to the 100 or so outstanding members of this
group, but an attempt at enlightenment to the very few ignorant and
hostile members. Again, I HAVE NOTHING TO SELL, and have no desire to
make any money off of any members of this group. So take the
following, ... or leave it:
Any one who says "there is no such thing as free energy" is ignorant.
There are three great books that any one involved in free energy has
read. All of these books are free on the internet. Not free as in
"Hey I found a wallet with money in it" but LEGALLY FREE! You can
even download them free. Most of the works I have learned from are
over 100 years old.
This stuff is not new. There are over 930 patents for improving
gasoline fuel efficiency, or providing alternative fuel sources
(including electricity). You can read all of these patents FREE. It
is your constitutional right. Don't let ignorant boisterous bullies
turn you away. Idiots (in accordance with the Epistle of John) who
are willingly ignorant, look for websites on the internet that may
attack free energy and claim they now know it all. Of course it never
occurred to them that the powers-that-be flood the internet with anti-
free-energy propaganda for just that purpose. But (please forgive
them) again, they are ignorant and do not know any better.
Now, I have read those books. I have experimented with the devices.
I have studied alternative motors. I have built my own controllers,
accelerators, ion motors, transmissions. In fact, I would bet that
most of your children have too. In school, in science class.
Do you want to know less than your own children.
As far as my identity goes, I already stated in the very first post I
ever entered into this group, how I got my name. And I have spoken
with many of the better members of this group by phone, or by PM, and
even in person. But, as you have already seen by this thread,
whenever someone already experienced in free energy devices tries to
enlighten the rest of a group, the hostiles appear. Of the 930
patents, the owners of 900 of those patents were killed. And since I
don't want to be number 901, I use a bit of discretion in my posts.
Since I now know there are hostiles here, I am forced to un-
subscribe. But before I go, I suggest that if you truly want to drive
your electric car free from fuel, or at least think there is something
better than what is being advertised, read (at least) the following 3
books:
PJKbook
The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman
Resonant Energy by Don L. Smith.
Two of these above tomes promise you will be able to extract energy
for free and the third (PJKbook) is an absolutely awe inspiring work.
Or live in ignorance.
I thank the members of this group, who have answered my questions with
honesty and integrity, very much. I will always appreciate further
conversation with you, but it will have to be via other conveyances.
Good luck in all of your endeavors,
Doc Pepper
frame, fabricated the drive-train, modified a tractor motor, and, ...
more important..., made every mistake an electric car builder could
make. But, after a great struggle, I completed it. Because it was
home built and electric I could not insure it and could not drive it
on the public roads. So my entire first effort was relegated to off
road around the shop. But the final nail in the coffin was the
batteries. My greatest range achieved was less than a mile. So I
quit. Of course I was poor and the entire project was built on a
shoestring budget. The batteries were regular car batteries sold to
me in deceit as deep cycles (I learned the truth when I learned more
about batteries and tore these apart). But, none the less, I gave up.
Today, I know all that I had done wrong back then and I could probably
write a book about it (No! I am NOT selling a book). But at the time,
I tossed it off as a failure and went on studying all forms of
disciplines that might come in handy should I decide to try again
later on.
Over ten years passed when I found my current 914 in a wrecking yard
almost by mistake. The offering price of 600 dollars was exactly the
amount I received from my insurance company when my last Porsche was T-
boned at an intersection (the at-fault driver had no insurance), so I
considered this one a gift from GOD and purchased it. Unfortunately,
it had all the unwanted rust in all the unwanted areas (passenger
floor, engine compartment, windshield frame, and so on). As I was
contemplating restoring it, a workmate and close friend reminded me of
all that I had been talking about for years pertaining to electric
cars and suggested that I convert this one. I took his advice
seriously and planned just that.
I visited countless websites, studied countless manuals, read
countless tutorials, endured countless advertising and brochures from
so-called experts on electric cars. Most were useless to any serious
electric car enthusiast. Others were scams. The rest were all
worthless documents from other electric car newbies, or salesmen in
sheep's clothing.
What I learned from all of this was that I had already learned more
than any other contacts I encountered.
Like at least 100 other members of this group, I am only interested in
propelling myself inexpensively and in a manner of which I can
maintain on my own, hopefully free of the pollution that now causes me
to cough when I am in traffic.
Electric drives are such a fashion. They are simple (or at least they
should be), clean, and easily maintained.
Unfortunately they have no range.
My choices with this new 914 were: Rebuild the engine, after which I
can get 40-50 MPG for the next 100,000+ miles, or convert to electric
and get the equivalent of 200+ MPG but have an extremely short range.
Since returning, I have discovered that most electric car enthusiasts
are looking for better batteries. But this is wrong. The new Lifepo4
batteries are the equivalent of a 200 gallon gas tank. But you still
have to fill it with your own energy. When will the unsuspecting
Electric Car Enthusiast (ECU) learn that. It isn't the size of the
fuel tank, but the ability to keep it fueled! And, instead of tossing
my money to the Arabs for gas, I am tossing it to the Communist
Chinese for batteries!
Hence my foray into Free Energy.
Recently, in this latest endeavor, I have encountered a show called
EVTV. I am sure all of the other members of this group have already
heard of (and seen) it. But I hadn't. So I watched all of the
archived episodes to learn as much as I could about the latest and
greatest about electric cars. Unfortunately, most of that viewing was
enduring very savvy salesmanship. The shows main focus is on having
you buy someone else's product (at a very expensive price). There is
no self investigation about electric car technology. And the reason
is simple. There is no money without commerce. There is no money in
FREE. You will never achieve freedom by buying someone else's
product! If you don't do it on your own, it will never get done!
But I still watch the videos and try to learn more and more about this
wonderful activity.
Now, to my last post in this group (the first one of this thread), I
discovered 2 sayings used by Jack Rickard in his EVTV videos: "What is
it worth," and "Who will buy it." And I used one of them in my first
post in this thread. That is all. Nothing hidden. Nothing secret.
Nothing underhanded. I thought every one who read it, since they also
saw EVTV, would realize this.
Now this is not a defense to the 100 or so outstanding members of this
group, but an attempt at enlightenment to the very few ignorant and
hostile members. Again, I HAVE NOTHING TO SELL, and have no desire to
make any money off of any members of this group. So take the
following, ... or leave it:
Any one who says "there is no such thing as free energy" is ignorant.
There are three great books that any one involved in free energy has
read. All of these books are free on the internet. Not free as in
"Hey I found a wallet with money in it" but LEGALLY FREE! You can
even download them free. Most of the works I have learned from are
over 100 years old.
This stuff is not new. There are over 930 patents for improving
gasoline fuel efficiency, or providing alternative fuel sources
(including electricity). You can read all of these patents FREE. It
is your constitutional right. Don't let ignorant boisterous bullies
turn you away. Idiots (in accordance with the Epistle of John) who
are willingly ignorant, look for websites on the internet that may
attack free energy and claim they now know it all. Of course it never
occurred to them that the powers-that-be flood the internet with anti-
free-energy propaganda for just that purpose. But (please forgive
them) again, they are ignorant and do not know any better.
Now, I have read those books. I have experimented with the devices.
I have studied alternative motors. I have built my own controllers,
accelerators, ion motors, transmissions. In fact, I would bet that
most of your children have too. In school, in science class.
Do you want to know less than your own children.
As far as my identity goes, I already stated in the very first post I
ever entered into this group, how I got my name. And I have spoken
with many of the better members of this group by phone, or by PM, and
even in person. But, as you have already seen by this thread,
whenever someone already experienced in free energy devices tries to
enlighten the rest of a group, the hostiles appear. Of the 930
patents, the owners of 900 of those patents were killed. And since I
don't want to be number 901, I use a bit of discretion in my posts.
Since I now know there are hostiles here, I am forced to un-
subscribe. But before I go, I suggest that if you truly want to drive
your electric car free from fuel, or at least think there is something
better than what is being advertised, read (at least) the following 3
books:
PJKbook
The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman
Resonant Energy by Don L. Smith.
Two of these above tomes promise you will be able to extract energy
for free and the third (PJKbook) is an absolutely awe inspiring work.
Or live in ignorance.
I thank the members of this group, who have answered my questions with
honesty and integrity, very much. I will always appreciate further
conversation with you, but it will have to be via other conveyances.
Good luck in all of your endeavors,
Doc Pepper
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