Re: [650B] Hetres and rim choices

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sun, 2012-09-02 at 15:43 -0700, bingomck wrote:
> Synergies seem like a good compromise, being only 1mm narrower, but
> the tire seating issues with Hetres in particular worries me a bit.

In my experience, seating issues with Hetres + Velocity Synergy are
essentially insignificant. Yes, occasionally you might need a tiny bit
of hand manipulation or overinflation to get the line perfect, but it's
no big deal and certainly nothing like the situation with Col de la Vie
+ Synergy.

[Joseph Hogg]

Hi Steve,

I've had the same easy-fitting experience with the Soma B line and Soma Express as well as the Hetres. And I've had several tires on the same Synergy rims. None have been difficult, but I suppose the supple side walls have made the Soma and Hetres fit so easily.

Joe

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "650b" group.
To post to this group, send email to 65...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 650b+uns...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/650b?hl=en.

[Jan Heine]

In my experience, seating issues with Hetres + Velocity Synergy are
essentially insignificant.  Yes, occasionally you might need a tiny bit
of hand manipulation or overinflation to get the line perfect, but it's
no big deal and certainly nothing like the situation with Col de la Vie

+ Synergy.

There seems to be significant tolerances in the manufacture of Synergy rims. When we tested a "new and improved" Synergy rim, the tire seating was OK.

When I had a test bike recently with very recently-made Synergies, I could not make the Hetre tires, nor the Pari-Motos, seat perfectly even after 15 minutes of trying. Two sets of Hetres, plus Pari-Motos, meaning tires from three different production runs - can't be the tires at that point, must be the rims.

Jan Heine
Editor

Bicycle Quarterly

http://www.bikequarterly.com

Follow our blog at http://janheine.wordpress.com/

[Wayne]

I have had some problems with Hetres seating on Synergies as well.
Lierres seat much more easily. At his point i am more worried about
Synergy rim cracking than fit.

[Ken Freeman]

Any feedback on the A23s in 650b?

--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "650b" group.
To post to this group, send email to 65...@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to 650b+uns...@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/650b?hl=en.

--
Ken Freeman
Ann Arbor, MI USA

[bingomck]

Thanks everyone. I appreciate the replies.

So any suggested rims?

[Bob the Wheelbuilder]

A23's worked great for me. I used Stan's yellow tape and their sealant. No problems sealing at the tire bead, but I'm still having leaks through the tire carcass.

[Kirk Pacenti]

My new PL23 was designed to be used in tubeless applications, has a
perfect fit and seals with the Pari-Moto and Hetre tires extremely
well.

http://www.bikelugs.com/store/index.php?strWebAction=item_detail&intItemID=395

Cheers,
KP

[Alex Wetmore]

It has a classic look that fits in well on a lot of 650B bikes. Nice job Kirk. I finally saw them in person on Friday when visiting a friend's framebuilding shop.

alex
________________________________________
From: 65...@googlegroups.com [65...@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Kirk Pacenti [mr....@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 12:16 PM
To: 650b
Subject: [650B] Re: Hetres and rim choices

http://www.bikelugs.com/store/index.php?strWebAction=item_detail&intItemID=395

Cheers,
KP

--

[Chasteen Rick]

Mine work great tubless!

[bingomck]

Thanks again for the replies all. Interesting stuff, especially the range of opinions re the Synergy. I too wonder how the A23 holds up.

Kirk, your rims look great. I admit I have never run tubeless and am a little intimidated to try. Can you run your rims tubed? Or should I just get over it and try tubeless?

[William Lindsay]

You absolutely can use these "tubeless ready" rims with tubes.  I ran my A23's with tubes for about a month before doing the tubeless setup.  Just use them with the thin tubeless rim tape, and use a tube, and you'll be fine.  Thick cloth tape might be a bad idea.  

[Kirk Pacenti]

On Sep 4, 5:46 pm, bingomck <bingo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Kirk, your rims look great. I admit I have never run tubeless and am a little intimidated to try. Can you run your rims tubed? Or should I just get over it and try tubeless?

Yes, they can be run with or without tubes. If you have not tried
tubeless you owe it to yourself to give it a shot. It's a little more
work to set up, but once done there is no more work involved than with
tubes.

Cheers,
KP

[Wayne]

Kirk:

The rims look great but some specific questions:

Aluminum Alloy used?
Thickness of rim brake track wall?

[Kirk Pacenti]

Wayne,

We use 6061-T6 Alloy for all of our rims.

As for the brake track, I'll just say, it's thick enough. We also
include a wear indicator that will tell you when it's time for a new
rim.

Cheers,
KP

[jaypea]

I have had good luck so far with A23's in both 700 and 650b. Approx 1000 mi so far with Lierres.