Experience with Andel 3-Pin Classic Double Crankset (Rene Herse look-alike)

[Tyler Lone]

Hi all - 

I was wondering if any of you have seen, or have any experience with the Andel 3-Pin Classic Double Crankset. They look like a Rene Herse crankset for a fraction of the price. Undoubtedly, the quality is not comparable. I am not sure what type of forging was used to make them. Was wondering if anyone here has used them, and what their opinion of them is?

Thanks,
Tyler

[Igor Belopolsky]

I had an Andel (pretty sure it was an Andel) track crank on a fixed gear years ago. Seemed fine. My question is: where do you get other rings OR are the Compass RH chainrings compatible..

[Andy Bailey Goodell]

I tried to find their website and got to this: "NEW !! 3-arms Classical style Crankset (double chainrings.)"

3 arms! What will they think of next?

Andy in Dover, NH

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[Igor Belopolsky]

polish shiny finished, too.

[Tyler Lone]

Haha - I had found their website, too. I half-expected sparkly Comic-Sans font.

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 11:24:44 AM UTC-4, Andy G wrote:

I tried to find their website and got to this: "NEW !! 3-arms Classical style Crankset (double chainrings.)"

3 arms! What will they think of next?

Andy in Dover, NH

On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Tyler Lone <tyler.sc...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all - 

I was wondering if any of you have seen, or have any experience with the Andel 3-Pin Classic Double Crankset. They look like a Rene Herse crankset for a fraction of the price. Undoubtedly, the quality is not comparable. I am not sure what type of forging was used to make them. Was wondering if anyone here has used them, and what their opinion of them is?

Thanks,
Tyler

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[Joe Bunik]

hi Igor/all,

No, this is a novel/or at least near-novel ring size: Rene Herse is (I
believe) a 70mm bcd. This seems to be the same crank as marketed under
the ENE Ciclo brand.

I really wish they had gone with the idiosyncratic-at-best 3 arm /
86mm bcd that has existed in a minor form since at least the 1930's -
there were some pretty cool '70s (Sakae Ringyo) as well as a mid-'00's
revival (FSA) of this size. The cool thing about 86mm is that it goes
down to a 27t ring.

I'm curious if the Andel 94mm tolerances are close enough to the
alleged 95 or 96mm spec used on the original Shimano 600 (3-arm) crank
- I've got one of those in the stash, and a 30t inner inner would be
the bees knees.

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

[Tyler Lone]

Joe - 

Thanks for the information on the Rene Herse rings. I couldn't find what BCD they are online. Seems like it (the Andel) may be more trouble than its worth when finding replacement chain rings down the line.

[Steve Palincsar]

No idea about Andel availability, but there's certainly no problem finding chain rings for the Herse crank.

[Igor Belopolsky]

Joe is correct. The RH cranks are 70mm BCD ( https://janheine.wordpress.com/2011/07/06/rene-herse-cranks/ ). 

[Virgil Staphbeard]

The Rene Herse cranks are in fact 70 mm BCD if there was any doubt. I've had the 3-arm shimano crank in the past (as well as Stronglight and TA) and I've never been as fond of the chainring aesthetics on any of them compared to the Herse's. Using the andel chainrings on a Shimano 3-arm is intriguing. 

On Thursday, March 16, 2017 at 11:41:31 AM UTC-4, Joe Bunik wrote:

[Ryan Watson]

> On Mar 16, 2017, at 13:22, Steve Palincsar <pali...@his.com> wrote:
>
> No idea about Andel availability, but there's certainly no problem finding chain rings for the Herse crank.

$85 for a chainring counts as a problem in my book ;-)

Ryan

[Steve Palincsar]

Your common 110 TA Zephyr outer chain rings run from about $67 to $120
depending on the size. $85 sounds like it's right in the ball park.
How's that a problem?

[Ryan Watson]

Too rich for my blood.
I refuse to pay more than a $1/tooth!

Ryan

[satanas]

The Shimano 600 3 arm cranks took a minimum 30T ring, so good luck with these ones fitting if they're 86 bcd..

[Joe Bunik]

Sorry if that was unclear,

Shimano 600 / 3-arm has been reported as variously 95mm or 96mm bcd
(which is pretty dang close to 94mm, which goes down to a 29t).

On 3/16/17, satanas <nsc.e...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Shimano 600 3 arm cranks took a minimum 30T ring, so good luck with
> these ones fitting if they're 86 bcd..
>

[Stephen Poole]

94 bcd actually goes down to 28T, provided you're okay with 1x and the Wolftoorh ring in question gives an okay chainline with your cranks. A 28T 2x ring could be made, but might need special bolts, and maybe a little filing of the spider. I'd be happy to buy a few but doubt the demand would justify the cost of production; the bolts would need to thread directly into the chainring.

What I don't understand is the fascination for 3 arm cranks in general. Compass are a special case, but the others just look odd and achieve nothing useful.

Later,
Stephen