Rivendell A Homer Hilsen w/ WTB Horizon

[adam leibow]

Hi there.

I think this is my first time posting here. Here is my one 650b bike:

These tires measure just over 44c (as the picture shows) and they perfectly max out the frame re. tire clearance. Anyone else try and like these tires? I'm coming from some soma grand randonneur tires which roll superbly, but flat a little too often for comfort on these glass-filled SF streets. 

Cheers bros&siss

[Justin August]

Looks fantastic!

Hmmmm. I just bought Babyshoe Pass ELs for my Saluki because the Switchback Hills were too wide. If these roll as nicely as the Compass ELs that would be a great tire for me!

-Justin

[adam leibow]

Justin,

They do not roll the same as compass ELs. They are fast but do not have that insanely supple, insanely smooth, really fast feeling as a compass tire does. I bought them because I needed more protection for riding in the city. 

[Justin August]

Adam-
Sorry to hear that! I ride my Compass (and Hetre) tires in Oakland & the City regularly. I found that 2-4oz Stan's/OrangeSeal put into the tube solves any problems like that. Just a thought!

-Justin

[Mike Schiller]

I think they are more comparable to the standard casing Babyshoes from what  I've heard. Having the tubeless bead design on the WTB tire  is a big plus I think. My std casing Babyshoe Passes are hit and miss set up tubeless.  One works fine and the other won't hold air.  I've messed with it many times and gave up.

~mike

Carlsbad Ca.

[adam leibow]

Justin, 

that is a good idea to put sealant in the tube. I have done that before. I will go back to Compass in the future. I have the tools to make these Horizons tubeless, so I might try to do that as well. 

[Evan Baird]

Have you taken them offroad much? Im curious how they compare to the compass on dirt.

[Fred Blasdel]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 7:40 PM, adam leibow <ad...@lightvision.net> wrote:

I have the tools to make these Horizons tubeless, so I might try to do that as well. 

You should go straight to doing that, the setup is effortless. It was so easy on the front wheel that when I installed the rear I mounted it tubeless straight out of the package, without seating it with a tube first, and with a crappy plastic floor pump in less than a minute.

The casing is really tubeless too, no sealant weeping through and I rode them 10 miles immediately after setting them up without losing pressure. A month later no sealant had been absorbed inside, unlike Compass tires that sponge it up all over and build thick ridges of latex under the tread at the seams.

[Kevin McGrew]

I've had some of the same hit and miss experience converting non-tubeless ready tires to tubeless.  Some are leaky and continue to weep out the sidewalls.  I've always wondered if there were a product that could be brushed onto the inside of the tire and allowed to cure that would help with sealing the casing.  I've never read of anyone trying something like this in my internet travels.   I don't get how the sealant can plug a puncture but not seal up the sidewalls and eventually quit weeping.  

[C.J. Filip]

Thanks, Fred.

I've been waiting for a no BS response about the ability of the Compass tires to set up tubeless.  My experience with Hetres was more or less exactly the same.

[Mick]

I have a pair of Compass RTP's set up tubeless.  The local shop set them up as they built the wheels.  They are the ultra light casing.  I have had no weeping.  The person who installed them said the beads set pretty easily, but I think they have  a compressor.  I have nothing but positive things to say in the 200 ish miles I have ridden them.  There is a pretty high wow factor after riding some Thunder Burts set up tubeless.  Interestingly the Thunder Burts roll nearly as fast as the RTP's but the smoothness and the lack of noise are really noticeable.

Mick

[Mike Klaas]

Cool, I saw your bike today parked at Green Chile Kitchen!

I don't have issues with flats in SF running Compass EL tires of various widths (and Pari-Motos), though I don't have experience with Soma tires.  The pari-motos plus light tubes were flat-prone on Marin county rides, but a bit of sealant in the tubes solved that problem.

Also, I destroyed the sidewalls of a compass tire once hitting a grate at Rockridge station (it had parallel crossbars only.  The wheel dropped 2" instantly and threw me off the bike).

-Mike

On Wednesday, July 27, 2016 at 10:52:37 PM UTC-7, adam leibow wrote:

[adam leibow]

oh vcool!! you have the boulder right? cool bike! 

[Steven Frederick]

I set up standard casing Switchback Hill tires on Pacenti PL23 rims
w/stans tape and sealant very easily and they wept not a bit! Ride
nice, too. I'm running them 28/30 f/r for mixed road use and they're
pretty nice!

No BS! B-) Steve

> --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "650b" group.
> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an
> email to 650b+uns...@googlegroups.com.
> To post to this group, send email to 65...@googlegroups.com.
> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/650b.
> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.

[Steven Frederick]

Trying again with the picture...

Steve

[John Selway]

I attempted tubeless with Switchback Hill standard casing on WTB i23. There was always air seeping through sidewalls regardless of how much sealant I added. Appeared that that most leaking was around area of printed logos.. Maybe there was some inconsistency in manufacturing process?

-John

> <rN79wvcJdY6qmvYq7[1]>

[Steven Frederick]

Maybe-mine were new this year so the latest version. Did they change
the bead design in there someplace? These popped right on no trouble
and took the sealant just fine...

Steve

[mitch....@gmail.com]

I love that bike Steve and have seen it somewhere else in these Google groups where you may have posted it. Tell us more about it if you don't mind.

--Mitch

[Steven Frederick]

It's a Rivendell-inspired custom built 5 years ago by Scott Quiring
here in Michigan. I ordered it because, though I wasn't fully happy
with my Rivendell Saluki, most of the 650b custom stuff around then
(and now) featured the low trail thing which I didn't really want
either. I also wanted to work with Scott, since he was local to me
and had quite a following hereabouts, so I took a chance.

The geometry is similar to that of my Saluki and other Rivendells I've
owned, tweaked a bit to suit me better. I intended it to be a sporty,
fun, lively all road bike. I also wanted to add some of the touches
being incorporated into low trail bikes, the French-style fender
mounts and lightweight, standard-diameter tubeset among other things,
just without the low trail/front load part.

It fit me well, and rides and handles quite nicely. I also like the
color (I should-I picked it) But since it's not the sort of bike
Scott usually does, some of the details weren't executed quite to my
satisfaction. To make matter worst, he was in the midst of relocating
his shop at the time, and some specifications were simply lost in the
shuffle and not incorporated into the build at all. I'd waited a year
for it, so I took delivery anyway. So while I enjoy the bike, it's
not all that I'd hoped. I've actually tried to sell it on a few
occasions. Unfortunately, fans of Scotts work don't typically want
this sort of bike, and fans of this sort of bike care about the same
details that I do. So I just ride it, enjoy it for it's positive
attributes, and chalk the disappointing aspects up to experience...

Steve

On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 10:18 AM, <mitch....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I love that bike Steve and have seen it somewhere else in these Google groups where you may have posted it. Tell us more about it if you don't mind.
>
> --Mitch
>

[Jim Bronson]

Sorry it didn't come out exactly the way you wanted Steven, but it
looks pretty boss with those Switchback Hills on there!

I bet if you ever took it to a charity type ride you'd get a ton of
people asking you how big they were!

-Jim

--
------------------------------------------------------------------
signature goes here

[Minh Giang]

Adam,

I know it's only been a few weeks, but any feedback on the WTBs ? 

[adam leibow]

Yes. I finally found the sweetspot for tire pressure with them. I weigh about 180, and i think 30F 35R is the perfect pressure for these tires. any lower, and the sidewall starts to crumble in corners, making it seem like the entire tire is going to roll off. the suppleness is very good, maybe 70-80% of the quality of a compass extralight. they feel good in small gravel, more heavy duty than compass. if you have tried compass but you want a slightly thicker tire that's still really fast but with a longer life and seemingly better flat protection, get these.

[André Rocha]

hi!

i´m looking at these tires for a big 1.month ride....

by being 80% the quality of an compass extralight, would you mean it´s about the same quality as a compass with standard casing? 

how would you compare those to the schwalbe supreme 27.5 x 2.0 on a quest for a nice fast tire with better puncture protection?

[adam leibow]

i'd say it's even less supple than a compass in standard casing, the ride is slightly different. I would trust these on a tour much more than a compass, though it's proabably not designed as a touring tire. 

[André Rocha]

i think they´ll be perfect for me them :) 

my ride is more like a big randonneé, i dont travel as heavy as fully loaded and treat my bike well. 

could you realize what fenders would work on them? i´m guessing 700 x 53-55mm could do fine, or need something wider?

[adam leibow]

yeah that sounds perfect. i'd get those honjo 62mm wide fenders for sure. 

[André Rocha]

the shit is i´m not sure if i have clearance for fenders that wide :-/