Tubus Tara and Bungie+Hook panniers (or all non ortlieb)

[Ryan Ray]

What do you folks do? Order the cheap plastic pannier loop? Wrap some accessory cord and leave a hoop? P-Clamps?

I'm considering replacing the hardware on my really nice Carsick mini panniers with ortlieb hardware or just some leather straps. Or, worst case: trading away my Tara for something more hook friendly.

- Ryan

[Ryan Ray]

Another option is to drill a hole in the bottom for a hook to fit into but that sounds rust-inducing.

[Alex Wetmore]

The modern Taras that I've seen come with a water bottle boss brazed in the bottom and an aluminum bracket that provides a bungie hook.  My Tubus Duo has the same thing.  Does your not include that?

alex

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[Ryan Ray]

Nope :( and from what I know its the other way around: the new ones don't have it.

I could get a pannier loop brazed on by a local Seattle brazer :)

[Ryan Ray]

Looking at the panniers Jan sells from Berthoud, they use a hook too. I'm not sure how he attaches his tara either. Though, the hook is slightly less important because the top straps on rather than hooks on.

- Ryan

[Alex Wetmore]

When Jan is testing bikes for BQ that he wants to tour on he normally borrows a rack from me.  For the Elephant NFE he used a Tubus Duo which did have the lower eyelets and brackets.  For other bikes like the Specialized Diverge he has mostly chosen to use a Bruce Gordon lowrider that I own or one of my first generation Tubus Taras (which are an entirely different design and have nothing in common with the current one other than the name).  Those racks both have stops brazed onto the bottom that contain the bungie hook.

I think the current Tara is a nice rack, I just have enough racks that I've never needed to acquire one.

It's odd that Tubus is no longer including the hardware that allows bungies to work.

alex

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Subject: Re: [650B] Re: Tubus Tara and Bungie+Hook panniers (or all non ortlieb)

 

[Mark Bulgier]

Yeah my Tara (current design AFAIK) is just smooth tubing down there, no hole or braze-on. I have used it with oyster-bucket panniers by just looping the bungie cord over the bottom extension of the rack – the stretchy rope itself, not the S-hook. It's not positively located, but there's no force trying to make it move.  I figgered I'd drill and tap two small holes on each side and screw in screws such that the screw heads would provide a corral on either side of the bungie to keep it centered, but haven't got a round tooit yet..  A little grease on the threads should take care of the rust issue.

Mark Bulgier
Seattle

[Andrew Squirrel]

Did you already try these?

https://www.bikebagshop.com/tubus-pannierloops-p-2726.html

[Andrew Squirrel]

I forgot to add, I have a pair of the plastic wrap around loops I just shared, they appear pretty durable.

I originally ordered them just in case the J-bend metal loop version (http://www.bike24.com/i/p/0/8/34580_01_c.jpg) didn't work with my Swift Industries/Arkel hardware panniers & Tubus Nova (has water bottle boss, circa 2012)

I haven't actually used the plastic loops but if you want to check them out or buy them from me (assuming you are in Seattle?) just let me know.

[WMdeR]

I'm not clear on the issue.

My Tara (a few years old now) came with a boss on the bottom run, which allows one to get a pannier loop and screw it in. Has that been deleted?

Also, the bungee cord just preloads the hooks so that the bag doesn't hop off or rattle. It isn't going to ordinarily slide off to one side or the other slide around if the top hooks are positively located. Can't you just hook it over horizontal bottom tube?

Best,

Will

William M. deRosset

Fort Collins, CO

[Mark Bulgier]

Looks like a good design but I think I'll stick with my idea of two bolts tapped into the bottom. Being a slightly lower attachment point, it'll put the bungies under a little more tension and will eliminate the need for any metal hook (in the specific case of my oyster-bucket panniers).

Drilling and tapping 4 holes is literally a 5 minute job for me -- I use a variable speed drill as the tap "handle" and a different drill motor for the tap drill, so 5 minutes is a generous estimate. Vroom Vroom, done.

Mark Bulgier
Seattle
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[Mark Bulgier]

Will, I don't know if your Tara is newer or older than mine, but mine is plain blank down there, no hole. Like Alan Rickman [RIP] in the movie Dogma, when he complained about how being an angel meant he had no genitals. He pulled his pants down to show -- smooth as a Ken doll down there. That's my Tara. (I do hope Alan ends up liking being an angel for real...)

As I said earlier, it does work with no method of locating the bungie, just looping the stretchy rope over the bottom of the lower tube extension.   But it's possible for it to get knocked loose. Maybe not from normal forces while riding but I have knocked it loose while mounting or knocking the pannier on a door frame or... I'd feel safer with it positively located somehow.

Mark Bulgier
Seattle
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[Ryan Ray]

I *think* I sent you a PM about the plastic wrap around loops. I'd definitely take them and can pick up in Seattle. I'll pay whatever you paid for them.

- Ryan

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/14/2016 08:32 PM, WMdeR wrote:

I'm not clear on the issue.

My Tara (a few years old now) came with a boss on the bottom run, which allows one to get a pannier loop and screw it in. Has that been deleted?

Also, the bungee cord just preloads the hooks so that the bag doesn't hop off or rattle. It isn't going to ordinarily slide off to one side or the other slide around if the top hooks are positively located. Can't you just hook it over horizontal bottom tube?

I have a Tubus Tara rack.  It's about 8 or 9 years old at this point.  I've never really looked closely at the bottom, so I can't say if it has a boss on the bottom or not.  I use Lone Peak panniers with it that have an elastic - a small bungee cord, really - at the bottom with an hook.  I slide the hook over the horizontal bottom tube, just as you suggest.  It works fine.

[satanas]

FWIW, all Ortlieb rack hardware is available as spare parts and drilling a few small holes in the pannier stiffener to fit the rails only takes a few minutes. If doing this I strongly suggest using nyloc nuts, and duct taping over whatever is on the inside of the bag so the heads don't abrade holes through the bag's contents. If you decide to use pop rivets rather than threaded fasteners, it's worth carrying a spare screw/nut/washer(s) in case a rivet head fails; I've had this happen.

Later,

Stephen