brother mr wooden

[technomic]

anyone else hype on this frame?

mid-low trail geo with a slightly longer chainstay and slightly more planted bottom bracket than the crust lightning bolt. 

only thing i wish it had honestly is a 1inch headtube. 

i have been looking for a lower trail bike with 650b geo to replace my surly crosscheck (also been thinking about moving the canti posts down a bit, on it) and these two bikes are really intriguing, as they have basically everything i'm looking for in a commuter. 

the crust is likely more nimble and fun to ride, however the brother doesn''t  seem to be boring, and likely more resistant to harder use. 

what do you guys think?

[randal...@gmail.com]

I'm an interested spectator. If the quoted weight is correct, it looks to be a fairly light frame with regular weight fork. Medium is quoted at 2kg with 160mm HT, and 555/548 ST/TT. Seems to be decent tubing to hit that weight and I wonder why no disclosure/sticker?

Anyway, geometry looks good especially for an off-road focused bike. 

-Randy Daniels Marietta, GA

[technomic]

yes the tubing seems decent, indeed. i also like the rear dropout spacing (132.5mm). hopefully the msrp isn't ridiculous, in my current area. a crust lightning bolt has a markup of over 500$ usd, here... which is kind of ridiculous, now that i think about it. i could actually just go to a custom builder and get something there that would cost probably just a couple hundred more... 

well, still have high hopes for the mr. wooden. probably less than a lightning bolt, but definitely better than my cross-check heh

[Eric Hounshell]

my interest is piqued. i disagree with OP, though. 1 1/8 headtube is just the modern spec i'm happy with (nothing against quill stems, but i've got plenty of vintage bikes). damn, i love all the design decisions they make.

[Andy G]

I think it's a great looking bike with the features I like best too. Fortunately I already have some good Rawlands (cSogn, rSogn, Stag) that fill that category, but if I needed a new one then I'd definitely be interested in this.

Clicking through the site, I get to $816 total shipped, which is an absolute steal compared to Crust at $1250 plus shipping. The only other 650b with rim brakes under $2k that I know of is the Toussaint Velo Routier around $600 shipped. I built one up for someone but haven't ridden one my size.

I love the 1" threadless on my Stag, but I know that's now an oddball size. And I have no interest in 1" threaded.

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[Steve Palincsar]

I'd like to know where you are located, that you can go to a custom builder and get a custom frame for $800.

Here's pricing from Waterford: 

A Chris Bishop TIG welded frame will run you $3350.    Without researching a bunch of others, I'd venture to say that right now those are probably typical prices. 

On 2/6/23 5:25 AM, technomic wrote:

yes the tubing seems decent, indeed. i also like the rear dropout spacing (132.5mm). hopefully the msrp isn't ridiculous, in my current area. a crust lightning bolt has a markup of over 500$ usd, here... which is kind of ridiculous, now that i think about it. i could actually just go to a custom builder and get something there that would cost probably just a couple hundred more... 

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[Ryan Watson]

It looks like OS tubing, which is a dealbreaker for me. Can anyone confirm?
I don’t like cantilevers either, but otherwise it looks like a swell bike. I REALLY dig the color :-)

Ryan

[Eric Hounshell]

what's OS tubing?

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[Ryan Watson]

On Feb 6, 2023, at 08:52, Eric Hounshell <ehoun...@gmail.com> wrote:

what's OS tubing?

That fat tubing that makes most modern steel bikes too darn stiff!

Which is anything over 26.8 mm in my book.

https://valvejob.wordpress.com/2016/01/18/bike-frame-design-the-influence-of-tubing-diameter-and-wall-thickness/

“ Traditional construction, as noted above, uses a 1” diameter top tube and 1 1/8” diameter down tube and seat tube. Oversize (OS) employs 1 1/8” top tube and 1 ¼ down tube; double oversize (2OS) uses a 1 ¼” top tube and a 1 3/8” down tube. ”

[Eric Daume]

I'm with Ryan, not much interest in typical oversize tubed steel frames anymore. Are there any modern production bikes using standard tubing (eg, 25.4mm top tube OD) besides Crust?

Eric

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[collinm...@gmail.com]

Fairlight makes some with 25.4 top tubes, but they do lots of funky bending and forming to them that might dissuade those interested in the classic look...also no rim brakes.

Collin in Sactown