Black Mountain Road Plus

[Mike Schiller]

Mike from Black Mountain finalized his Road Plus details and placed his order with his Mfg source.   Disc thru axle 650B based on 47mm wide tires.

And to  top it off a 60mm rake fork so trail in the high 40's.   Mid fork mounts for a front Nitto rack too.

Prob. a year away as far as delivery but good news anyway.

http://blackmtncycles.com/disc-frame-details/

~mike

Carlsbad Ca

[Kevin M]

Oh man, this was on my list for an all rounder replacement for my Rambler. I wish it was coming out sooner! I need something between 700x32 and +29”

I ride a 56cm BMC Road now, but I think I’d have to size-up to keep the reach in check.

[Kevin M]

I checked with Mike V., and it sounds like the disc frames are scheduled to arrive this summer.

[satanas]

They look good. The Road+ geometry looks slightly better to me, but I dislike red(!), and presumably the MCD should work with 27.5x2.1 as well as 29x2.1.

There doesn't appear to be much room for fenders behind the seat tube with the Road+ and 47mm tyres, and I suspect the new-style Shimano FDs might be almost mandatory if trying to fit them. Freight would almost certainly kill it for me though, so I won't be getting one unless I visit the US, unlikely any time soon. :-(

Later,
Stephen

[Jeremy Tavan]

In the Road+ I see a modern bike with a frame geometry that will actually fit my proportions and that makes me very happy indeed. I will be watching this closely. 

[Bill M.]

Rake / trail aside, the Road Plus fit is very close to that of the Twin Six Std. Rando I built up recently.  The increased standover and stack and shorter reach of the MCD would actually work for me.  Presumably the BMC's would be lighter than the T6.  I like the segmented fork.  Are the prototype colors destined for production?

Bill

Stockton, CA

[ViveLemond]

Anyone know the tubing specs?

[John Guild]

I’d be surprised if it wasn’t 8/5/8 OS, as that’s what Mike uses on both the Road and the Monstercross.

[Adam Paiva]

Yea I think I do remember reading in one of his posts that the tubing specs would be the same for these new frames.

[Mike Schiller]

that is what I heard/saw. Heat treated too!

mike

[Adem Rudin]

RE: Colors: Mike hasn't announced the colors yet. Pretty sure the MCD *won't* be blue, as that's one of the colors he chose for the latest shipment of canti-brake monstercross frames, and he seems to like to change the colors up from run to run.

I really like the looks of the Road+ frame, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to pull the trigger on one when he opens up pre-orders.

[ViveLemond]

Sort of off topic, but not really: I've searched and googled around and couldn't find a hit. Has anyone tried converting the current road frame to 650b?
It looks like it has lots of clearance (per Mike, up to 35mm tires at 700c), so maybe it could fit a 42mm 650b tire?
My concern up front (which may not be an issue) is brake reach: the bike is already set up for mid-reach calipers, so not sure if long-reach ones would give me the 19mm I need (just did the numbers, it's close I believe, could probably work)
I love the look of the new road plus, but I essentially have a full bike of spare parts in my garage and a set of 650b velocity wheels I want to use.
I might just pick up the phone and call over there later too, I'll report back if I do.

[Max]

My WAG is that the road frame should work with 650b... I’ve an older road frame that can accommodate a 700c x 35mm tire (without fender), and I was able to fit a Hetre in it, with the R559 calipers making it on the front, and being just about 3mm off in the back. With some filing or dropper brake shoes, it could work. The calipers aren’t the stiffest, but there it is. Eventually, I chose to leave that bike as 700c, and converting a Trek 400 instead — a bit easier to make the brakes work, but that fits up to a Lierre. Bill Lindsay has two of the BMC Road bikes, IIRC, so maybe he can chime in.

[nash...@gmail.com]

I asked Mike about this on facebook. He did the math for brake reach and it came out to something very long that you could only get really terrible bmp calipers.

[ViveLemond]

i just spoke to Mike: because original Road is designed for mid-reach brakes, it won't work. Of course there could be some kind off extension work around, but normal long-reach calipers won't do it. Too bad, looked like a great idea.

[Max]

Strange... but there it is. Thanks for sharing the info. Good to know!

[Justin, Oakland]

I actually think that it might work using Compass centerpull a mounted on a yoke or Paul Racers using a drop shoe to add more reach. The question becomes a matter of bottom bracket height and more. I think it’s worthwhile pursuing but I don’t have a frame and haven’t found one used.

-J

[William Lindsay]

A side topic developed in this thread, where a few speculated whether a Black Mountain Road could be converted to 650b. Max said ‘maybe Bill Lindsay could chime in’.

I don’t have much to say about the idea. I’ve certainly not attempted that and it doesn’t sound like a great idea to me. That said, there’s nothing irreversible about trying it. Maybe it would work out and maybe you’d like it. I think the Black Mountain Road is a splendid road bike the way it is with 700x32 tires. I don’t think 650b would improve it. If you have all the parts laying around, give it a go. I would have said the same thing about running 650b on a Rivendell Rambouillet and yet a few people have made that conversion and claim to like it.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

[Mark in Beacon]

I've wondered about those Ram conversions. In addition to being designed for longer reach brakes, I always thought Rivs generally came with a bb height on the lower end of the spectrum. Must be close in that dept? Guess it also partly depends on how fat you can go with 650B.  Maybe 165 cranks?

[David Hays]

I switched to 165 cranks on my Mercian 650B conversion to improve clearance.

David Hays

Williamsville, New York

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[Bob Lovejoy]

I will add in, if it has not been mentioned, using relatively narrow (not wide touring) pedals and possibly increased situational awareness.  The sensation and experience of riding a bike with a low BB can be incredible but those mm's are important.  I remember dragging the toe of my sandals while riding a 650B conversion.  It certainly made me realize that maybe more care was needed.  Bike was great though!

Bob Lovejoy

Galesburg, IL

[ViveLemond]

I would seriously have considered the road for a 650b conversion, but with the frame designer himself discouraging it, not going to do it.
A side note is how prevalent the all-road style has become: large numbers of the big makers have a 650b all-road frameset that takes up to 47mm tires. I was sort of surprised, started clicking on the links from the WTB all road 47mm tire page. Pretty cool, but it's more fun to find smaller manufacturers and so forth I think.

[Stephen Poole]

IMHO, the most fun part is riding the bike, though there's some amusement and/or satisfaction in speccing things. I say, "If the bike fits ride it." If it doesn't then how rare, cool, boutiquey or limited production it is is irrelevant.

Later,

Stephen

On 16 Jan 2018 4:55 am, "ViveLemond" <samkru...@gmail.com> wrote:

I would seriously have considered the road for a 650b conversion, but with the frame designer himself discouraging it, not going to do it.
A side note is how prevalent the all-road style has become: large numbers of the big makers have a 650b all-road frameset that takes up to 47mm tires. I was sort of surprised, started clicking on the links from the WTB all road 47mm tire page. Pretty cool, but it's more fun to find smaller manufacturers and so forth I think.

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[nathaniel nichols]

Unrelated to me and I dont know if this has been posted here, but its pretty sweet

http://www.ebay.com/itm/192429365134

[nash...@gmail.com]

Damn that is slick. Wish I could.