Vintage vs. modern randonneuse ride quality

[Dirk]

Could someone with experience riding both comment on how something like a L'avecaise or Boulder compares in ride quality to bikes from the classic builders like Routens, Herse, Singer, Rene Andre, etc.? Thanks!

[Ian A]

This should be posted on the iBob list too. There was a 1950s Herse which did the rounds among other interesting bikes. The discussion might veer toward 1970s sport tourers which have been 650b converted though.

The Rene Herse Cycles (Jan Heine et al) article on "85 Years of Rene Herse" is pertinent. renehersecycles.com/legend/

IanA Kitimat BC

[Dirk]

Thanks, I've sent a request to join that group and will check there.

I'm also very interested in hearing any thoughts on how the Norther-Lyon might compare to the classic French builders.

[Brad]

I think there is a test ride and review in an earlier issue of Bicycle Quarterly where such comparisons are routinely made.

[Dirk]

Ah, unfortunately I don't have a subscription to BQ, but I'd be happy to hear the gist of it, if anyone has it.

[Chris Cullum]

On Wed, Jun 12, 2024, 18:09 Dirk <dirkj...@gmail.com> wrote:

Could someone with experience riding both comment on how something like a L'avecaise or Boulder compares in ride quality to bikes from the classic builders like Routens, Herse, Singer, Rene Andre, etc.? Thanks!

If the tubing and geometry are the same (or similar) they will ride the same (or similar). That's how bicycles work.

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[Ken Freeman]

And send it to CR, I’d want to hear what experts like Garry Della Rosa think.

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[Toshi Takeuchi]

I think the main difference that I can point to is that modern builds will generally fit wider tires.  Wider tires are definitely welcomed by me for a more comfortable and likely more efficient ride when supple sidewall tires are used (you probably heard about the wide tire story before).

Toshi

On Wed, Jun 12, 2024, 18:09 Dirk <dirkj...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Brad]

Yes, on older frames they seem to max out about Hetre width- 42 x 584.   

The Confrerie des 650B supports the production of a 32 x 584 tire.

I think one difference might be between tig welded and brazed frames to the extent that they flex differently.  I can't speak to that since I have always had brazed frames.