650b cyclocross-like frameset?

[Steve Park]

Does such a thing exist?  and I don't care about UCI rules or racing it.

Is there anyone out there making non-low trail 650b all-road frameset? 
I don't want a mountain bike.  I have a beautiful rando bike already.

Just something for riding, maybe with Hetres, maybe with Cazaderos.  Humor me please.

[Joe Broach]

If you ride a 58 or below, Surly makes their Straggler in 650b. 

Best,

joe broach

portland, or

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[Steve Park]

Surly does it again!

Any offerings sans disc brakes?

[Jim Bronson]

Elephant bikes National Forest Explorer.

[Kieran Joyes]

Why non-low-trail?

Are you planning on carrying anything on it? If so, what's your preferred method of doing so?

KJ

[William Lindsay]

Hold out on the second-hand market for a Rivendell Canti-Luki.  

The A Homer Hilsen today comes in ODD sizes 57-73cm with 700c wheels.  It comes in EVEN sized 58-50cm with 650B wheels.  The 650B sizes used to have a different model name, the Saluki.  Most Salukis and all 650B Hilsens were made for big mouth sidepull brakes or centerpulls like the Dia Compe 750.  The Saluki sometimes came with Cantilever brake posts.  Those somewhat rare Canti-Lukis are pretty darn cool.  

I have a 650B Hilsen with big mouth sidepulls and I'm planning on using it with the new 650B Bruce Gordon Rock and Roads.  That'll be my 650B Cyclocross bike

[Steve Park]

Fair question.  I travel light for many rides ->  saddle pack and jersey pockets.
At one time I had a Boulder 650b and unloaded steering was light (not terrible), but I try not to get hung up on trail...just a thought.   I'm just curious if there is anything that is whippy and simple like a cx bike that will take 650b tires instead. 

[Joe Broach]

Steve,

I know it doesn't meet your canti requirement, but I'd bet a bunch of disc cross bikes would make nice 650b whip-a-bouts. They usually have reasonable BB drops for the smaller wheels. Something like the Ritchey Swiss Cross Disc, which got a great review in Bike Quarterly recently. I can't put my finger on any production canti-post bikes that meet your criteria, though, and I totally understand not wanting discs. Road discs are still mostly a disaster, it seems.

Best,

joe broach

portland, or

[Ed Braley]

 

Most of the new disc brake cyclocross bikes will fit 650B disc wheels without modification. There are numerous options these days. Find a 135 spaced frame and you can easily fit pre-built mtb wheels. Some wheelsets have carbon rims suitable for tubeless fitment if you really want to have the latest lightweight technologies.

 

I built an aluminum Motobecane cyclocross frame as a 650B touring bike a few years ago. I like it!

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/25373440@N00/7833654110/in/set-72157612750721663

 

Ed.

 

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[B Sloma]

I think the Soma Double Cross could work for you, with a 66mm bottom bracket drop.  

My Cotic X came with canti mounts and has a 57mm BB drop which to me is about perfect for 650b wheels, while still sitting just a little higher than a road bike.  And the clearance is good with 42mm tires and fenders if wanted.  But the Cotic X is no longer made, and I don't care for the replacement.  I never considered canti brakes for mine, as disc brakes work so nice.  

[Steve Park]

Excellent disc suggestions everyone.  Euro CX geometry is nicely convertible with the high BB. 
Swiss Cross is pretty.

[William Lindsay]

Also the new disc brake "Gravel Grinder" models.  The one I was seriously thinking about making into a severely contemporary 650B whip was this model, the Niner RLT9

http://www.ninerbikes.com/RLT9

The SRAM CX-1 build was the one I was this close to buying.  

On Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:14:44 PM UTC-8, EdBraley wrote:



[Joe Bunik]

Semantic dilemma: is it a cross bike if it doesn't have cantis (or now
I guess, discs)?

Financial dilemma- (unless policy changed), Rivendell can build you a
Canti-Homer Hilsen on special request.

=- Joe Bunik
"650B Legolas, please"
Walnut Creek, CA

[B Sloma]

Maybe I got lucky, but Campy + Hayes mechanical disc's give me all the stopping power I need or want.  

[Steve Park]

The RLT9 is very nice, as is the BSB.  I've admired them on a number of occasions.  The bb is a tick lower in the smaller sizes, but still OK for 650b conversion I think.  Discs does seem to be the way this thing is going.

CX1... brilliant.  do it!  I am mentally finished with 2x cx and grass-filled front derailleurs.  One smallish chaingring is all I need for trails and such.  Winter project.

[Steve Park]

650b Legolas, yes please again.....  more so than a canti AHH.

[Steve Park]

Let me say that again just for good measure.
650b Legolas, yes please.

[Joe Broach]

B Sloma,

Good to hear your road discs are working well. Lack of power doesn't seem to be the issue, more lack of cable pull making it hard to balance lever travel with pad clearance. Seems like the newest brifters might be pulling more cable. I'll be diving in soon with my first disc bike.

Best,

joe broach

portland, or 

[rcnute]

I rode my rSogn in a CX race.  (I was so far behind I can't say I was racing.)

Ryan

[Steven Frederick]

My custom Quiring is basically a 650b-wheeled 'cross bike.  I like it pretty well...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/40738390@N08/14033331535/in/photostream/lightbox/

Steve

[Iain Radford]

I use my specialize crux disc in such a way. Sometimes it has has 700 wheels with compass stampede 32mm ELs, and a lot of the time it has tubeless hetres on Stans crest rims. Its also my 'cross race bike of course.

The crux has a nice 70mm bb drop, and specialized are one of the few companies that have different fork rakes to match HTA. Good for shorter riders.

I even did the new race this year - Overland GP on the crux/hetres setup. The race was a mixture of road, gravel, and gnarly class 4 roads. The setup was great.

[B Sloma]

I was checking out the Overland GP after reading your post.  Pretty sure I found a picture of your bike with the cream Hetres, on someone's blog.  Cool.  That race looks pretty cool, too.  Has me scheming how I can get to Vermont next summer.

[Iain Radford]

The Overland GP is one of the best races I've ever done in terms of terrain, organization, and especially the post race meal. Top notch, AND that was the first year they put the race on, which is pretty amazing.

Yeah, that would have been my bike with the cream Hetres. The tires worked fantastic, but I might try a file tread next year depending on how wet it is.

I highly recommend this event - nice little town too. Bring your descending skills with you though, as the gravel and class 4 roads can be pretty hairy at high speed in a pack.