Pari-Moto — different versions and comparisons

[Luc D]

Hello there,

I know that the first versions of the paris moto tyres weere extremely prone to flats.

This has allegedly beeen improved with the later iterations, the last (the third) being the better.

I am trying to avoid the earlier 

AS attachment a comparison  of the three versions (different labels)

Correct me if I am wrong, I am trying to avoid the more fragile versions !

Also, how do they compare with the cheaper col de la vie ? 

I know they are "better" (suppler casing, lighter), but I would like some first hand reports if possible. 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g6jc8rv2m8pey93/pari%20moto.jpg?dl=0

[Luc D]

a better image 

[rcnute]

That looks right to me.  I love the original Pari Motos but yes those are susceptible to flats and wear.  I haven't tried the latest version, just the older two in your image.  Whatever version you get will provide a more comfortable and nicer handling ride than the Col de la Vie, which ain't bad for the price but kind of squidgy and there are just more and better tires now.

Ryan

[Luc D]

Thanks Ryan,

I am currently on 650bx42mm folding Pasela.

They are very comfortable, but also heavy and as you said, squidgy when cornering.   

They also barely clear my frame, so I need smaller (and ideally suppler) tyres.

I can get the 2015 27.5x1.5 pari moto for 20€ each (and free shipping !) or the 27.5x1.5 Gravel kings for 30€ each.

I guess the Gravel Kings (already tried and liked them in the 700x32 flavour)  will be more durable, having the same supple ride. 

[wg...@yahoo.com]

I didn't ride, but did mount a pair of the new 1.5" pari moto's, so I can't comment on their ride quality or longevity.  However, I was surprised that the new version ran considerably narrower than the old version.  On a set of Pacenti PL 23 rims, the new version looked to be about 36 mm, whereas the old version looked about 40 mm.  

geoff s 

arlington ma

[Luca De Battista]

Thanks Geoff,

I wonder if a smaller width implies a less supple (and more resistant) casing.

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[Cary Weitzman]

Luca De Battista wrote:

I wonder if a smaller width implies a less supple (and more resistant) casing.

I've been riding the current all black Pari-Moto 1.5s for the last 3 years and have ridden them back to back with the Compass Loup-Loup Passes in regular casing which are on my spouses' bike.

Both tires measure around 36-37mm on my rims, the Pari-Motos are faster and more comfortable than the Compass tires, I've never ridden the Compass ELs but I'd place the Pari-Motos as a little step up from the regular Compass tires.

I've been pretty hard on the tires, riding sharp gravel, bouncing up and down dried up streambeds on carpets of fist-sized rocks and the tires have handled it all without issue. They cut like butter though when I ran over some glass in the city when I first started riding them. I booted those tires and continued to ride them for another 3000km without issue. Well that's not exactly true, the tires are so supple that I could feel the boot, pulsing away with every tire rotation. That got more and more noticeable as the tires wore. No worse, however, than if you managed to buy a Pasela with the dreaded Pasela hop.

I think they're a great tire value if you don't live in goathead territory or are thinking of using them for urban riding unless you're quite vigilant.

Cary

[Evan E.]

Luc:  I've owned the oldest Pari-Moto (with the Paris metro decals), the latest Pari-Moto, and the Col de la Vie. I didn't notice any big differences in ride quality or appetite for flats in either set of Pari-Motos. The Col de la Vie tires, on which I commute daily, feel slow, sluggish, and, yes, slightly squidgy by comparison. I wouldn't buy them again. That said, in two years of city riding I've had zero flats on the Col de la Vies. If flats are a hazard where you ride, you might consider GravelKings. They have some puncture protection:  https://www.panaracer.com/lineup/gravel.html

Evan

[Luca De Battista]

Thanks Evan, your feedback is precious.

I will definitely go with the gravelking, which I have used in the 700x32 size and found fast and yet reasonably flat resistant. 

I won't commute on them but some glass littered bike lanes are inevitable where I live... 

As an Alternative to the col de la vie you could consider Schwalbe Kojaks, which are reasonably supple and fast, and measure 35mm on my 19 mm (internal width) rims.

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018, 08:04 Evan E., <evanel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Luc:  I've owned the oldest Pari-Moto (with the Paris metro decals), the latest Pari-Moto, and the Col de la Vie. I didn't notice any big differences in ride quality or appetite for flats in either set of Pari-Motos. The Col de la Vie tires, on which I commute daily, feel slow, sluggish, and, yes, slightly squidgy by comparison. I wouldn't buy them again. That said, in two years of city riding I've had zero flats on the Col de la Vies. If flats are a hazard where you ride, you might consider GravelKings. They have some puncture protection:  https://www.panaracer.com/lineup/gravel.html

Evan

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[Scott Stulken]

Luc, my 2015 Pari Motos have your "2015" label on one side and the "2017" label on the other.  I don't believe the tires themselves have changed since 2015 or whenever Kirk sold the rights back to Panaracer, but I will accept correction.

Last I knew, there were two flavors to the 1.5" size -- a 66tpi version with tan sidewalls, and a 120tpi version in all black (which may be responsible for some of its reputation for being fragile).  I have no complaints about the durability or speed of the tan 66tpi version.

- Scott

[Luca De Battista]

Thanks Scott for contributing to the topic.

the plot thickens : labels are prpbably not the discriminating element to tell the 2015 version from the latest iteration.

I am pretty sure Panaracer released a new pari-moto version, because they are now listed as tubeless compatible on their website : the casing must be different.

Regarding the 60 tpi tan / 120 tpi black versions, i do think they existed only on the first batch.

The screenshot below comes from the panaracer 2015 catalog .

https://issuu.com/ivovydra/docs/panaracer-katalog-2015

As you can see, a gravel specific version existed.

IMHO, this version became the current Gravelking 650b, mainly due to the fact that the casing labels are the same (ZSG, anti-flat, etc..see screenshot below)  

As to my original question, I am convinced that Gravel kings are the way to go : I won't be commuting with these tyres, but I will be inevitably be rolling on glasses... 

 

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[Cary Weitzman]

Luca De Battista wrote:
> I am pretty sure Panaracer released a new pari-moto version, because
> they are now listed as tubeless compatible on their website : the
> casing must be different.
>
> Regarding the 60 tpi tan / 120 tpi black versions, i do think they
> existed only on the first batch.
>

Biketiresdirect (which is my source) still lists them both:

https://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/panaracer-pacenti-pari-moto-650b-road-tire

I can also confirm that the weight claims of the Black/Black version is
actually accurate for a tire manufacturer, they've all been around 285g
new. It's ridiculously light for a tire this size and I love simply
handing one to people who scoff at me for riding those "fat heavy tires"
and watching their expressions.

Cary

[Luca De Battista]

Thanks Cary,

I wonder if they still stock the first version, and if it still the case (different casing according to color).

What version did you get ?

Thanks,

L.

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Luca De Battista