2021 NAs - Opportunity to Provide Input!

[Duane Delfosse]

Hello All,

I'm starting this thread to capture input on your preferences for the location for the 2021 NAs.   Earlier this month Dave K. put out a nationwide survey that determined that NAs will be scheduled for early September in 2021 to serve as a loading point for the Worlds in Bermuda in October/November.  We are fortunate to have three great options:

1.) Sail Newport - Dave has done investigative work and they can run the regatta for us. 

• We would need some of you to volunteer with regatta duties, ...measurement and organizing non-sailing activities.  Sail Newport can handle the on-water side.
• Racing could be either in bay or in the ocean.
• There is plenty of room for loading containers, they would need to be trucked to NJ for transit to Bermuda.
• Some housing available, some of you may host.  Need to save spots for out of towners.

2.) West River, MD - The Bay family and the club as a whole have been anxious to host a larger 505 event for some time.

• Great, hospitable club!  Nice sailing venue.  Favorable time of year for wind.
• Same basic logistics for containers and post regatta transport to NJ and Bermuda.
• Club members can provide some lodging.
• Location more or less central to the east coast.

3.) Wrightsville Beach, NC

• Great ocean sailing venue.  Can be truly spectacular with nice breeze.
• There is some lodging available with club members, but many visitors will need to get hotels, of which there are some nearby.
• Good RC, welcoming club, one or 2 local boats.
• Potentially easy transport for Bermuda via Wilmington DE.  (Still being investigated)

So... please post your preference for location, the reason(s) you find are most compelling, and whether you will attend.  Wrightsville Beach seems to be the slight favorite because of sailing conditions, interest in supporting a Wrightsville fleet and potentially easy logistics for Bermuda.  Disadvantage... 2 hours from nearest airport.  

Thanks,

Duane 

[Thomas Hurwitch]

Duane,

I am game for any of the three locations but just one thing to consider would be the cost of trucking the containers going to Bermuda from the NAs location.  Trucking will be pretty expensive (upwards of $4/mile) so any site should keep in mind the proximity to the two shipping ports for Bermuda - Port Elizabeth, NJ and Fernandina on the FL/GA line.

Tom

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[Tom Kivney]

I vote for Sail Newport. Could help draw more local sailors into buying a 505

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[David Kirkpatrick]

All right I'm just going to bullet point some thoughts on fleet status and fleet building in general here:

• We have three new/returning boats this year - Craig T, Huebners, and the Bassmaster™. That and taking away COVID next year (in this one thing in life I can be an optimist), that turns the 5 boat 2020 Wickford Regatta into a 12 boat regatta without doing much. A 5 or 6 boat "Team Tuesday" structure out of SN is fully reasonable to achieve. 
  
• Region 1 hosts ECCs this year. In 2019 we had ok support from CAN (2 boats) and crap support from Region 2 (1 boat). That should be a 25+ boat regatta - 10 to 12 region 1 boats, 5 CAN boats, 7 Region 2 boats. We have to travel there so they travel here. That's part of it. 
• We need to figure out where ECCs will be. Do we tack it on to another regatta (Wickford, BBR, Newport) or host another event just for it? I like doing it at a multi-fleet regatta to give us exposure. Region 2 doesn't have ANYTHING going on when BBR happens, but that's the weekend when Canadians have summer so you win some you lose some. 
• We need to build a pipeline of "505 curious" people, and get them out in boats. My strong guess is that no ones going to say "hey sweet NAs is in Newport let me get a boat for that." We need to develop interest in the fleet, get people with sailing skill and enough money and inclination to try 505 sailing and then wear them down until they buy boats.
• Generally, I think we need to always have like a 3 to 5 year vision for what getting a 505 looks like. Right now, 2021 means a pretty active Region 1 schedule - weeknight Sail Newport practice, healthy local events, random training weekends - an East Coast NAs, and Worlds if you're ambitious and so inclined. 2022 will likely have a Florida winter thing up and running, and we consolidate the regional stuff and take advantage of traveling to the CORKs and what will be a Region 2 ECCs. 2023 has a Santa Cruz Worlds and what beats that? 
• A young team just getting in can take advantage of the above ^ by getting into that nice Waterat in Mystic, getting it sorted this year in time to be proper for NAs, and then take it through 2023 Worlds. People with a bit more experience and $ can buy a newer boat (they're out there) and jump the cure on dealing with the boat. But they've both got a plan laid out for how this is going to be a worthwhile way to spend their sailing the next few years. 

So, to recap, we need to get rid of COVID and get everyone to get back out on the water. We need to help the new teams get sorted and up to speed. We need to expose good prospects to the class, and we need to develop convincing arguments why sailing 505s is the best way to spend the next few years. 

Whether or not a Newport NAs is a critical leg of that, I can't say. 

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[Douglas Watson]

Wrightsville beach is great, but based on convenience of location, West River is best (Chesapeake has the biggest concentration of boats, not too far for R1, the closest venue for Toronto boats, plus easy to fly to/closest by truck for most West Coast boats). Newport a close second on convenience of location, possibly better prospect for wind (we need to check historic data to be sure; early Sep is still summer on Chesapeake, before cold fronts come through). 

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[Craig Thompson]

Newport for sure. Doug, I don't think you need to get too heavy into the research on historic wind data. 

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[Amie Huebner]

#1 Newport

We can house a couple of teams, I have friends that can help with event planning, and we can start recruiting here locally if we know the event is going to be here. We plan to go to Bermuda too.

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[David Kirkpatrick]

A thing we'll need is a stated event chair. I think it's really not a whole ton of work because Sail Newport is pretty plug and play. I can do a significant amount of stuff but that time of year is going to be nuts for me - enough that I'm really hoping that I'll be able to sail the NAs - so I'm for sure not the right person to do it. 

Volunteers? Kivney?

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[duane.delfosse]

If it ends up being Newport, I'll do it.  (Reluctantly).   There is less interest in Wrightsville Beach than I expected.  We are only one region...it is a national decision.

Overall though, I totally agree with you, we have critical mass again in New England!

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[Amie Huebner]

All,

If Newport does get this, I don't work so if you need assistance, I am happy to help. I also have previous experience helping to organize 505 NA Championships in Annapolis including National regattas for other fleets in Annapolis and in San Diego. During the 11 years I was in Annapolis, we hosted some of the biggest 505 regattas the fleet has had in the past 15 years. Sail Newport does not organize social events, solicit sponsors, or really do anything a part from the race course and perhaps registration. Anyways, if you are looking to build on fleet numbers and attract more attendees and sailors to your venue, I would suggest you break away from the same 'ole, same 'ole. Part of what sailors look for in a fleet is one that has community, quality racing, and fun social events. A little more youthful energy might just be what this fleet needs. 😉

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[duane.d...@comcast.net]

Amie,

That would be fantastic!  You not only have the knowledge, but the enthusiasm to match! 

 

I hope we can get more input from others...such as Irish, Ingalls, Breton, Sol, Matt and all the others!

 

We need to keep in mind that this is not just a New England decision, the American Section and Canada also are weighing in on it. 

Thanks!,

Duane

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[usayngling]

From Ingalls #2:

Selfishly, logistically Newport is easier for us becausewe live close by.

I have to say, I don't like sailing "inside " at Newport. Especially with a lot of boats. For some of the inside locations, I don't think the race courses provide "even/consistent" enough conditions across the course. Recreational and commercial traffic are issues.

If we sail outside, the race course should be great, but it's a very long sail to the course.

I don't have any experience with the other two locations. Sounds like breeze could be an issue? 

Sailing "outside " at Newport might be the best bet.

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[Peter Scannell]

For Team IRL:

Newport preferred, West River second, Wrightsville distant 3^rd choice.

For us, it’s all determined by ease of driving.  I think we could have great sailing at any of those locations.

We are planning on going to BER, so logistics for that are a factor, but we’d happily pay a few hundred bucks more in trucking to the port instead of us driving an extra 12 hours to/from the NAs.

 

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[Amie Huebner]

Duane, 

All points noted and glad to help if we have the opportunity to do this thing. After being away, I am motivated and bringing a little island spirit and brotherhood with me. One of the qualifying factors for a location is fleet support. 

Love sailing out of Wrightsville Beach more than West River personally and both clubs would put on a nice event. That said, both venues - though central on the East Coast - do not have the amenities Newport does. Especially if people bring families with them - there is more to see within a short distance and do here including accomodations. Wrightsville would be fun for a smaller event at another time. Also, we could have spectator boats on the water - more visibility for the 505 fleet in general.

Good luck 🤞

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[Solomon Marini]

On the wind front I'd guess that West River is slightly better than Newport inside, and not as good as Newport outside, but not a lot of difference.  For Newport, I think the course North of the bridge on the East side is pretty good,  Potters Cove is definitely a problem in some conditions.  The last time we sailed outside from Sail Newport (at an ECCs) it was a dud of a day with a long sail out and a long tow back.  We all think of the days out there that are fantastic, but there are plenty that never quite fill in. The odds may be slightly better in one place or the other, but I don't think there is a huge difference in how much wind to expect in each place. 

West River is a little out of the way, but that helps keep people hanging out together.  There is definitely more to do in Newport, but that tends towards the group dispersing into different venues. 

I'm happy to go to any of the three venues, wherever the most boats will turn up.

Sol

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[Duane Delfosse]

Thanks for all your input!  I just sent results of the poll to the American Section officers and regional coordinators as follows:

• Region 1 expressed overwhelming support for hosting the event at Sail Newport, and an enthusiastic event chairman has stepped forward.  (Amie Huebner)
• Two Canada Teams expressed preference for West River.
• Interest in Wrightsville was muted, perhaps in part because few people had experience there.

I promised 10 to 12 local boats for a Sail Newport NAs, so let's hope it is selected!  Happy Holidays!

Duane