GTD-centric, offline, standalone wiki that prints lists to 3x5

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Nathan.Bowers

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May 9, 2005, 4:25:23 PM5/9/05
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I've modified Jeremy Ruston's free and open source TiddlyWiki
http://www.tiddlywiki.com/ to fit my GTD and HipsterPDA flow.

The key features are:
# Free and Open Source.
# Prints directly to 3x5.
# Searchable.
# Exists as a single, portable, local, cross platform file. No need for
multiple text files.
# If you know anything about CSS/HTML/Javascript, you can totally
customize it.

Try it out at http://shared.snapgrid.com/gtd_tiddlywiki.html and let me
know what you think. If there is substantial interest I would turn this
into more of a "real" project instead of a quick hack.

Steve Ivy

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May 9, 2005, 4:32:23 PM5/9/05
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Nathan - that's sweet! Is the design yours or is that TiddlyWiki?

--Steve
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inetguy

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May 9, 2005, 5:11:17 PM5/9/05
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Nathan,

This is sweet. I vote to make it a real project. I'd be interested!!

-Dennis

lyndonk

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May 9, 2005, 5:15:34 PM5/9/05
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That is very nice indeed - competition for our friends at 37Signals.

A sweeter look than the old tired interface of the NoteStudio
application too.

Let me know when you want to make your app public - I'm looking for
just such a little program for my own use.

Nathan.Bowers

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May 9, 2005, 5:49:49 PM5/9/05
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The nuts and bolts (the real developer work) is all Jeremy's
TiddlyWiki. I created the 3x5 print and screen CSS and made some other
minor tweaks.

Tom Reinhart

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May 9, 2005, 5:58:58 PM5/9/05
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On 5/9/05, Nathan.Bowers <nathan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've modified Jeremy Ruston's free and open source TiddlyWiki
> http://www.tiddlywiki.com/ to fit my GTD and HipsterPDA flow.

Holy cow, man. I actually forgot I was using a web application for a
second there. Great work. I can't wait to use it myself. :)

Sincerely,

Tom Reinhart
t...@alltom.com
http://AllTom.com/

Nathan.Bowers

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May 9, 2005, 6:01:37 PM5/9/05
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As far as I'm concerned the app is public, do with it what you will as
long as you respect the license terms of the original TiddlyWiki.

Tom Reinhart

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May 9, 2005, 7:54:37 PM5/9/05
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On 5/9/05, Nathan.Bowers <nathan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, whoever made it, it's great, and I'll be using it. Thanks for sharing!

Jonathan Ploudre

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May 9, 2005, 8:43:10 PM5/9/05
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Interestingly enough, I worked on the same type of thing last night at
home. It's worth noting that saving the file works with FireFox and IE
and works well if the file is local. I'm planning on using portable
Firefox and the wiki file on my USB keychain so I can take it with me
anywhere but also keep it a bit more private than if I put it on the
web.

I'd be happy to offer up my "css" for an alternate theme, if there's
interest. You can see my draft at

http://ploudre.net/gtd.html

but I haven't created my GTD content, yet.

Judine

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May 9, 2005, 11:47:12 PM5/9/05
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This looks very cool, but being a real neophyte at this, I don't get
how it works (Please don't laugh....) Can I use this now? Do I have to
wait until it gets further developed? Please explain as if to a small
child, how I can personally use this wonderful looking thing....

MaX

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May 10, 2005, 4:20:35 AM5/10/05
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Amazing! I love it..I hope to see more of it in the future if you turn
it into a project.

Thanks Nathan!

Nathan.Bowers

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May 10, 2005, 4:23:12 AM5/10/05
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It's okay to not get it right away, it's somewhat counterintuitive
because it looks and feels like a web app, but it runs locally. Here's
what you need to do:

You must have Firefox or Mozilla or IE, it won't work in Safari yet.
Go to
http://shared.snapgrid.com/gtd_tiddlywiki.html#SaveChanges%20About_GTD_TiddlyWiki
and read the part about "SaveChanges". It will say you need to save
the webpage to your hard drive before your changes can be permanently
saved. Go crazy with it, experiment with it, it won't break. The key
thing is that you can store whatever you want with it, your GTD lists,
reference materials, list of favorite wines, whatever.

Be sure to let me know via email if there is something specific that I
could explain better in the documentation.

MaX

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May 10, 2005, 7:14:34 AM5/10/05
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Actually i must correct myself...
I´ve been using it for several hours now and I can´t believe HOW
AMAZING this thing is.
Is so natural I feel like i´ve been using it all my life.

The only drawback I had was with saving. A couple of times I´ve close
the browser windows without saving first and lost all entered data
since the last time I clicked on SAVE

But overall...It JUST ROCKS!..
I hope (i´m sure) you know what an AMAZING tool you´ve got in your
hands.
Thanks Nathan!

Neal Dench

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May 10, 2005, 7:37:57 AM5/10/05
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This is fantastic. I've never played with anything like this before, and
all I can say is I'm very impressed. Thanks for sharing it.

--
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Steve Rubel

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May 10, 2005, 8:21:59 AM5/10/05
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Question re. upgrades. What happens to saved data when you or
TiddlyWiki upgrade? Will there be a way to upgrade the offline HTML?

LikeSoy

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May 10, 2005, 8:45:23 AM5/10/05
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That just may be the silver bullet I've been looking for ... 1 file on
my iPod. Beautiful.

Thank you!

Todd

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May 10, 2005, 11:04:39 AM5/10/05
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Nathan,

Excellent! Also, I laughed out loud reading your @Agenda items ;-)

Claudia Scholz

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May 10, 2005, 11:48:57 AM5/10/05
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Looks great, but it has made Firefox freeze everytime I've opened it.
Same for the copy I saved to my desktop.

I'm running Firefox 1.0.3 on Windows XP (SP2)
Anyone else having this problem?

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Tom Reinhart

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May 10, 2005, 11:54:51 AM5/10/05
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Last night I entered all of my projects and action lists into the
wiki, and I just printed out my first batch of index cards. Incredibly
convenient. My HP DeskJet doesn't make it very easy to feed index
cards for printing (the small-item feed slot was made for envelopes,
so I have to almost stick my fingers into the slot to push the cards
far enough), but does do a good job of printing them vertically.

I plopped it onto my USB disk so I can use it at school, too.

I recommend this wiki for anyone who hasn't tried it. :)

peege

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May 10, 2005, 1:07:28 PM5/10/05
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This may be THE killer app to get me organized. Now, is there a way to
export it to a PDA? Can you use a Palm browser to update, then sync the
file with your desktop?

car...@gmail.com

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May 10, 2005, 1:20:01 PM5/10/05
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You should note that it works in Opera 8 also, for tus Opera fans.
Cool!!

Jonathan Ploudre

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May 10, 2005, 1:22:07 PM5/10/05
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For the people interested in using this on an iPod or a Palm or
another handheld:

This requires a pretty modern browser to work -- CSS for formatting
and Javascript for all the interesting behaviors. So even though you
could export it to a simpler file for a handheld, it would lose all
the immediacy that makes it fun to use.

That said, the css file could be updated for a handheld profile that
would allow it to look better on a small screen.

With a little bit of javascript knowledge (i.e., something I don't
know), some useful features could be easily added. I'm thinking a
'delegate' or 'waiting on' link that would take the title of a
current tiddler and add it to a specific list.

Jonathan Ploudre

aedigital

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May 10, 2005, 2:32:51 PM5/10/05
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This is a cool little app, but I wish there was a way to disable the
zooming window once you click on a list file to open. The zooming
action moves fairly slow. I tend to want to get thoughts down quickly
as the ideas happen, but waiting for the zooming redraw is a bit slow.
This is avoided if I start my day with all my lists open.

Nathan.Bowers

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May 10, 2005, 2:43:23 PM5/10/05
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Excellent question, I will be sure to address this in the
documentation.

If you look at the HTML source code you'll see that all your data is
stored in div elements at the end of the document. Using any plain text
editor you would be able to copy and paste that entire block of divs
into the source code at the end of an updated version of TiddlyWiki,
and then save in your text editor.

This could be a bit much for some users, but at least TiddlyWiki is
easy to back up and duplicate.

Mel

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May 10, 2005, 2:47:32 PM5/10/05
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> If you look at the HTML source code you'll see that all your data is
stored in div elements at the end of the document.

So, if I want to start with a fresh copy, I can just delete all those
lines? Or is that dangerous? and if so, is there another quick way to
delete the current content?

Nathan.Bowers

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May 10, 2005, 3:25:20 PM5/10/05
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Sorry, there is no built in way to "delete all." I will put an empty
GTD TiddlyWiki up at my site, and link to it from the current
downloadable version so nobody else has to go through this.

There's no danger to editing the source code, just make sure you backup
your known good version.

You can delete all the divs contained in <div id="storeArea"> at the
end of the document, but you'll want to keep MainMenu and
DefaultTiddlers, so try pasting this over the current divs at the end
of the document.

<div id="storeArea">
<div id="storeMainMenu" modified="200505101220"
modifier="YourName">DefaultTiddlers MainMenu</div>
<div id="storeDefaultTiddlers" modified="200505101221"
modifier="YourName">DefaultTiddlers MainMenu</div>
</div>

feebleoreo

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May 10, 2005, 3:25:31 PM5/10/05
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This is great!

Another question: will this only run locally? Or can I drop it onto
my web server and use it online?

Nathan.Bowers

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May 10, 2005, 3:28:15 PM5/10/05
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I can't replicate this problem. Do you have Javascript enabled in
Firefox? Did it work for you in Win/IE 6?

Nathan.Bowers

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May 10, 2005, 3:30:55 PM5/10/05
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This is totally client side, if you check out
http://www.tiddlywiki.com/#TiddlyWikiAdaptations you can find a PHP
version of TiddlyWiki.

Nathan.Bowers

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May 10, 2005, 3:42:34 PM5/10/05
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The easiest way is to disable the green floaty thing is to change the
CSS.

View the source in a text editor, search for the first instance of
#floater, and add this style rule after display: none;

visibility: hidden;

This should speed things up. Alternatively you can try disabling the
javascript that does the animation.

Nathan.Bowers

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May 10, 2005, 3:50:44 PM5/10/05
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Supposedly the handheld version of Opera is full featured with
Javascript and CSS, but I haven't tested it. Hopefully the inevitable
handheld version of Firefox will work. IE for handhelds is pretty
feeble. If anybody is able to make this work on a handheld browser, be
sure to let us know.

Jonathan Ploudre

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May 10, 2005, 4:10:24 PM5/10/05
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For those who haven't seen it:

TiddlyWikiPod[1] is a way to save your tiddlers (broken up into
individual notes) on your iPod. I haven't used it but if it makes
simple html, it may be repurposed to work with the built in web
browser on newish Palms.

[1]: http://www8.ocn.ne.jp/~sonoisa/TiddlyWikiPod/index.html

Jonathan Ploudre

Mando Escamilla

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May 10, 2005, 4:15:58 PM5/10/05
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If you click on the Options link in the right sidebar, there's a checkbox called EnableAnimations.

Uncheck and no more zoomy.

--
Mando

On 5/10/05, aedigital <alberte...@gmail.com> wrote:

This is a cool little app, but I wish there was a way to disable the
zooming window once you click on a list file to open. The zooming
action moves fairly slow. I tend to want to get thoughts down quickly
as the ideas happen, but waiting for the zooming redraw is a bit slow.
This is avoided if I start my day with all my lists open.

On 5/10/05, Jonathan Ploudre <jplo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> For the people interested in using this on an iPod or a Palm or
> another handheld:
>
> This requires a pretty modern browser to work -- CSS for formatting
> and Javascript for all the interesting behaviors. So even though you
> could export it to a simpler file for a handheld, it would lose all
> the immediacy that makes it fun to use.
>
> That said, the css file could be updated for a handheld profile that
> would allow it to look better on a small screen.
>
> With a little bit of javascript knowledge ( i.e., something I don't

Nathan.Bowers

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May 10, 2005, 4:32:37 PM5/10/05
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Cool, this option wasn't available when I started my adaptation. I will
merge this feature in to GTD TiddlyWiki.

Debbie Chinique

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May 10, 2005, 5:58:58 PM5/10/05
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I use safari, do I have to use firefox for this?

Nathan.Bowers

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May 10, 2005, 6:20:32 PM5/10/05
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Unfortunately yes. If we can possibly enable Safari saving, we will.

Nathan.Bowers

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Update:

Thanks to everyone for their questions and comments. Here is an update
based on your feedback:

Supported browsers (This info should have been in the wiki itself, it
soon will be):
# Firefox (preferred)
# Win IE 6

Unsupported browsers:
# I've had conflicting reports about Opera, can anyone report
definitively on it?
# Safari is not capable of the the "Save" function. Hopefully this can
be resolved, any hard core Safari heads out there?

Newly discovered bugs:
# In IE, list items display in the wrong place when you have multiple
headings.

Near future updates:
# Updating the default GTD TiddlyWiki content to reflect everyone's
feedback and questions.
# Jeremy has resolved the issues with empty spaces and brackets in
MainMenu and DefaultTiddlers. I will be adding this.
# Apparently there is an easy way to upgrade (see
http://www.tiddlywiki.com/#HowToUpgrade for details). I will try this
out and add it.
# A downloadable "clean slate" version.
# Right now you have to edit the source code to disable the sometimes
chunky tiddler animation. Jeremy has just created a menu option for
this on the original TiddlyWiki that I will be adding.

Ivan Grynov

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May 10, 2005, 8:07:09 PM5/10/05
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Nathan,

I'm not strong in web-tech, but is this possible to keep page with wiki on server and be able to save it there?

Ivan

bee

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May 10, 2005, 9:04:09 PM5/10/05
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I'm not seeing this in Firefox. Is it browser specific?

Bee

Michael Langford

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bee, I was seeing the same thing of the original tiddlywiki. However
the GTD one worked well in Firefox 1.0.3

--Michael
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beforehand, and then to be quite calm when things happen,
than to be extremely calm beforehand and to get into a panic
when things happen --Winston Churchill

Doug McInnes

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May 10, 2005, 11:43:40 PM5/10/05
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I've been taking a look at Safari and there doesn't seem to be any way
to do it without an added plugin or signed Java applet doing the dirty
work.

LikeSoy

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May 11, 2005, 7:32:36 AM5/11/05
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FWIW, I can't save with Firefox 1.0 on Mac OSX 10.3.9 ... I can "save
as" which isn't too cumbersome.

Also, wanted to clarify that when I say I keep it on my iPod, I mean
simply *storing* it there to go between work (PC) and home (Mac) ...

Thanks again, tho ... flippin' great app. I've already transferred
*everything* to it, which did result in the now familiar
overwhelm/depresssion at seeing all of my open loops in one place. But
that's another post.

Jonathan

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May 11, 2005, 9:10:04 AM5/11/05
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Wow - I've played with tiddly since it first came out, I didn't know
they'd solved the save problem without the php server side stuff. That
and the CSS are nice, as are your GTD'ish changes.

Man this feels like a full tilt lightweight GTD machine is just around
the corner. The only thing that is really missing for me is an
understanding of real tasks (instead of bullet points in tiddlers). It
a task belongs to a project, but can be marked with a context, the
contexts could be automatically generated from the first task in each
project tiddler. At that point you have dynamic to-do lists by
context, which is what is missing from pretty much everything I've used
for GTD.

Mike Barretta

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May 11, 2005, 11:42:14 AM5/11/05
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I've only one complaint. When you edit the name of a tiddler, the
name isn't updated in other tiddlers. So, if I change @Skills to
@Learn, the main menu isn't updated. Is this a feasible feature?

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lyndonk

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May 11, 2005, 12:44:04 PM5/11/05
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I don't know about saving to an IPod, I save to a USB device for
transfer between my desktop/laptop....no problems.

Tony

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May 11, 2005, 12:45:58 PM5/11/05
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Just curious, is it possible to make add a to-do feature for
lists/bullets (with javascript) to behave like the client-side effects
of tadalist.com?

Tony

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May 11, 2005, 12:49:07 PM5/11/05
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for now, you can edit the html file itself... open up notepad or
something, do a search/replace on "@Skills" to "@Learn".

David Rosam

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I can save using Firefox 1.0.3 on Win XP SP2, but can't using F 1.0.3 on Win 2000 Professional SP4. It says I should be using Firefox! As the Win 2K machine is my desktop, I'm a little stuffed...

Any ideas?

David
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LikeSoy

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May 11, 2005, 1:58:41 PM5/11/05
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Ah, yes ... that's the one thing that kept me going back to Life
Balance. That'd make this perfect.

Nathan.Bowers

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May 11, 2005, 3:32:12 PM5/11/05
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UPDATE:

I've created a new Google group just for GTDTiddlyWiki at
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/GTD-TiddlyWiki to bring a little
more structure to the conversation and to keep this topic out of the
regular 43Folders group RSS feed (it's getting hard to read).

I updated http://shared.snapgrid.com/gtd_tiddlywiki.html last night.
This is how to upgrade and keep all your changes:
http://shared.snapgrid.com/gtd_tiddlywiki.html#HowToUpgrade

The best feature request I've seen so far is true "to-do" list
management as seen on http://tadalist.com/ This would be somewhat
complicated and I don't really have the time to give it a shot right
now (day job and all), but remember, this is open source. If you build
something good, it will go into GTDTiddlyWiki and you'll be
immortalized as the Prometheus who brought list management to the world
of client side wikis! Hooray!

Thanks!

Nathan.Bowers

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May 11, 2005, 3:33:51 PM5/11/05
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It would seem that when you rename a Tiddler that the engine could
search the text of all Tiddlers and do a replace. Wanna build it? :)

David Rosam

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May 11, 2005, 3:43:37 PM5/11/05
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Hi Nathan

The new version has cured my saving problems on W2K.

Thanks!

David

Jonathan Ploudre

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I don't know if other people love Markdown as much as I do. One of the
things that bothers me about TiddlyWiki 3.0 is that they introduced
their own text marking language.

What with Textile a while back, and Markdown more recently, I don't
want to learn a separate way of marking text.

Currently Markdown doesn't support a lot of the formatting that
TiddlyWiki uses (Tables!). Personally I use Markdown for Headings,
Bullet lists and links. I changed the Regular Expressions in my
Tiddlywiki to be a little more Markdown like.

So I changed "function setupRegexp()" to look for hashmarks (#)
instead of exclamations (!). That messes up the numbered list regex
but It's worth it for me. There's a version of markdown that is
implemented in javascript. I can't help but wonder if that could be
integrated.

Jonathan
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MaartenHendrikx

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May 12, 2005, 6:32:37 AM5/12/05
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Hi,
I've discovered your app yesterday and I was sold for the minute I saw
it. This is exactly what I was looking for! Great!
One question: I've used to empty template to start my own TiddlyWiki.
Now everytime I fire up the app it show the EmptyTemplate. Is there
a way to start it up with the tiddlers I choose?

Jeff Kenton

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Enter your favorite tiddlers' names in the DefaultTiddlers tiddler.
And put the tiddlers' names for the left panel of the screen into the
MainMenu tiddler.

Hope that helps.

Jeff
--
All intellectual improvement arises from leisure - Samuel Johnson

Emily Price

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May 12, 2005, 10:11:06 AM5/12/05
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I couldn't find a way to do this in the formatting howto, but maybe
somebody else knows. Is there a way to make a specific word to not be
wiki-ized? For instance, i need to rip some CDs but if a capitalize it
like that, CDs is marked as a WikiWord. Is there a way to disable the
link on just that word?

bryce benton

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May 12, 2005, 11:21:33 AM5/12/05
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In the blog writeup on the topic, Merlin writes:
"(tip: shutting off animations under "Options" greatly sped things up for me)"

Where is this option? I don't see it.

--bryce

Paul

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May 12, 2005, 11:40:03 AM5/12/05
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Have you tried planner.el for Emacs? It, unfortunately or fortunately,
requires learning Emacs but the user community is very helpful.

Madhu Joshi

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May 12, 2005, 11:43:41 AM5/12/05
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Nathan:
Thanks for creating this wonderful application!

I would like to know if its possible to do (or if there are plans) to take
an item from the project list and add to a tiddler? In other words, if I do
somethinglike:

Projects

! Deck
* Get a quote for deck [[@calls]]
* Ask Bob for references [[@Agenda]]

Can I have these items show up under @calls and @Agenda tiddlers
respectively? Of course, removing from tiddlers should ideally strike
them on the project list, but thats for another day :-)

Thanks again.

piksol

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May 12, 2005, 4:53:51 PM5/12/05
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Sorry if this is such an easy question but...When printing from firefox
in os10.2.8 there is no dialogue box for headers in the PageSetUp menu.
Is there any way to take off the address from the top and the date from
the bottom of the page.

Oh and I am loving GTDTiddlyWiki...thanks for making it available to us
nonpower user types.

Blake4TX

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May 12, 2005, 5:17:21 PM5/12/05
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As I'm just ramping up with Backpack, you throw this out?! Competition
will be good for all. It looks really great and it's snappy too. I like
it a lot and am desperate for an alternative to some other apps used
for GTD. While having it portable is not an issue for me, remote access
would be nice. I've been tinkering with /mob service on Backpack.

I'm stumped however as to how to handle things with due dates. Like
"call Tom on 5/30/05 9AM"
I generally print out my LifeBalance @Calls and @MtgsToSet sheets and
have resisted adding a Palm so far. The manual sync and update is the
obvious drawback. In true GTD fashion, I only put hard events in iCal.
Any thoughts on how to do this with GTDTiddlyWiki anyone?

Nathan - thanks for your work on this! If this is the your "quick hack"
I'm anxious to see it unfold. If I were a developer, I'd contribute.

Jonathan Ragan-Kelley

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May 12, 2005, 5:54:10 PM5/12/05
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To echo one or two other people, the biggest thing missing is the lack
of context support. For me, at least, part of the power of GTD is to
be able to plan in a focussed manner for each project, rather than for
each context. I therefore like to be able to dump notes and next
actions into a *project* item, but I need to be able to see the
relevant next actions by *context*. This, like most other GTD
solutions, suffers from the fact that you have to explicitly enter next
actions by *context*, rather than by *project*.

If this app could solve that problem (entering on one place, consuming
in another), and could also have real dynamic lists rather than raw
bullet markdown, it would be awesome.

Dan Brendstrup

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May 12, 2005, 7:00:25 PM5/12/05
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I second the vote for different markup syntax. If Markdown is
implemented in javascript, that sounds like it would be feasible. I'm
partial to Textile myself, though -- which also supports tables very
nicely.

Bryan Ewbank

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May 12, 2005, 7:09:59 PM5/12/05
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While this might appear to be nice, I've found that that it neatly
defeats the core concept of GTD: you do have to think in a structured
way about everything (i.e., the weekly review), and the resync of that
review is vital.

If I have a piece of software that appears to take care of
cross-linking, then there's a good chance that I will not spend the
time on the review simply because I think the software will do my
thinking.

The David mentions it somewhat here [1], and I think the name of the
page gives a good summary of his thoughts.

[1] http://www.davidco.com/blogs/david/archives/2005/04/a_creeping_demo.html

> For me, at least, part of the power of GTD is to
> be able to plan in a focused manner for each project, rather than for
> each context.

Jonathan Ploudre

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May 12, 2005, 7:48:27 PM5/12/05
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On 5/12/05, Jonathan Ragan-Kelley <kato...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> To echo one or two other people, the biggest thing missing is the lack
> of context support.

One way to do this is to add your context to the end of tiddler. So
you could add,

[[@phone]] for example. Then when you click on the @phone tiddler you
can use the 'references' toolbar to find all your things in that
context.

Likewise you could use the search option to search for @phone to pull
your stuff up quickly.

--
Jonathan Ploudre

David Bourbon

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May 12, 2005, 9:46:26 PM5/12/05
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I tried GTD-TiddlyWiki on my Mac today in Firefox 1.0.4. It's very
slick, and should be wildly popular. Unfortunately, when I reopened
it, all I got was a page of code. What am I missing? The html file is
on the desktop for the time being.

Thanks for developing such a great app.

David Bourbon

Mike

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May 13, 2005, 8:21:38 AM5/13/05