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Andy

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Nov 10, 2011, 8:33:39 AM11/10/11
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michael thomas

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Nov 11, 2011, 6:58:22 AM11/11/11
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the head coach shouldnt of been fired, i believe that he did what he was sopose to do.

Nicole Ni

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I think it was right to fire the head coach.

Nicole Ni

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He didn't do what he was supposed to do.

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michael thomas

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he went to the AD and told him what happen, he did want he was sopose to do

Katrina Rice

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I don't believe he should of got fired, he tried telling the athletic director and the athletic director did not take action, he tried to.

Ryan Pellerito

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i believe that he should not have been fired, and if they should have let him retire under his own terms.

Ceangelo Smith

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Nov 11, 2011, 10:23:52 AM11/11/11
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i feel like they should of called the police right away instead of going to the coaches boss. in certain situation like that, law enforcement should be contacted first to handle the situation.

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michael thomas

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Thats then athletis directors job to do that though

Alex Taylor

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Everyone involved in the scandal, whether they saw the incident and did nothing or took part in covering it up, they all deserve to be fired and reprimanded. The students and people who do not think that the coach should be fired are ignorant to the fact that he did nothing to help the children who were involved in the sex acts. They believe just because he was a hall of fame coach that he is exempt from any punishment, which he is not.

Ashlyn Reynolds

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Nov 11, 2011, 10:27:29 AM11/11/11
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I don't think that it is fair that they fired Joe Paterno over the actions of someone else. I do think that he should have done more to report the person that was doing these horrible things to these boys, but I do not think that he should have been fired from the job that he has had for over forty years. That was unfair.

Ashlyn Reynolds

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Nov 11, 2011, 10:28:41 AM11/11/11
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I don't think that he did enough to make sure that this would reported to the authorities.

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Ashlyn Reynolds

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Nov 11, 2011, 10:32:53 AM11/11/11
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I agree that they should have called the police right away. This sutuation wasn't handled properly. I also don't think that the situation that happened this week with Joe Paterno was handled properly either.

Alex Taylor

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Nov 11, 2011, 10:33:12 AM11/11/11
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Just think about what you would do if that was someone you knew or were related to.

Danyelle Dimaculangan

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Laila Malki

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     In my opinion, the people who are supporting the coach are missing the big picture. He did NOTHING!!!! Yes he called and made a statement, but at the same time he didn't help the situation, because his "statement" didn't bring the boys that were victims in the act justice. The coach was however right when he said," I made the wrong call". Yes, he did! He should have called the police first esp when his superior did nothing.
     The trustees were right to fire everyone involved in the situation. Everyone was worried about the money that was coming in as well as the image of the college that they forgot their morals and values on the way!

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Darahtae Bland

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Nov 11, 2011, 10:45:08 AM11/11/11
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I feel that Joe Paterno should not had got fired over some elses misconduct. yet he's not the the kids are and deserve justice. Also he could have done more to help.

Nicole Ni

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Nov 11, 2011, 10:43:03 AM11/11/11
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He was supposed to call the police.

Sha'Dyayah Brown

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I think the way the Penn State Scandal was handled was totally wrong. Jerry Sandusky was being investigated for a long time now, and was never fired for any of the allegations accusing him of sexual assaults. Instead, Jerry Sandusky was allowed to continue working at Penn State and later retire at 55 on his own terms. If someone is being accused of sexual assault, especially multiple times, they should never be allowed to continue to work. Even after Jerry retired he was still allowed to come on campus and maintain a office on the campus, where he continue to sexually assault people. This should have never happened and never been a continuous thing. I also don't believe that Joe Paterno should have been fired, especially over the phone. Joe has been loyal to Penn State for decades and didn't deserve to be fired over the phone. Joe Paterno didn't have anything to do with the sexual assaults. When he was told about it, he sent a statement to his supervisor whom then did nothing about it, but was he fired? No. But Joe deserves to be fired? This is absolutely wrong. People are taking actions out on the wrong people. If Jerry would have been fired when someone came fourth with the allegations none of this would have continued to happen.

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Samantha Nuytten

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Nov 11, 2011, 5:21:28 PM11/11/11
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I personaly think the couch should have been fired, because he should have told a higher athority about what happend. He knew what happend was wrong and he could have done more to seek justice to the situation.

Samantha Nuytten

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Nov 11, 2011, 5:22:12 PM11/11/11
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I agree, then if he did that the problem would have been solved alot quicker and there wouldnt be a mess about it now.

Samantha Nuytten

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Nov 11, 2011, 5:26:00 PM11/11/11
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He should have known who to call, I think he just wanted to cover it up to protect the reputations.

Daniele Johnson

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Nov 11, 2011, 8:01:47 PM11/11/11
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I dont believe he should of got fired

Brandi Duda

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Nov 12, 2011, 1:03:42 PM11/12/11
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i believe that the head coach should have not been fired.  He did what he was suppose to do and tell the athletic director, if the athletic director did not do anything that is on him.

Brandi Duda

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Nov 12, 2011, 1:05:35 PM11/12/11
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i agree

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Maria Burney

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In my own personal perspective, the Penn State situation shouldve never went on this long. From the beginning, it shouldve got dealt with immediately. The head athletic coach was informed about this scandel and he did nothing. So in my opinion, he shouldve got fired. When this first got brought to his attention, as the head coach, he shouldve known to take care of it by going to the police. Nomatter how bad the outcome is, this shouldve never went on this far. Jerry Sandusky had sexual activity with 8 boys in a 15 year period and I believe that is file and disgusting, and for this to be going on  for such a long period of time is a crime. I think this investigation is for the best. Sandusky deserved to not only to lose his job, but to have the title of being a molester.

Maria Burney

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Nov 12, 2011, 6:03:44 PM11/12/11
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I agree with ceangelo because once you find out such a thing, you should know that this type of thing is a crime and it needs to be dealt with immediatly.

On Nov 11, 2011 10:23 AM, "Ceangelo Smith" <ceange...@gmail.com> wrote:

i feel like they should of called the police right away instead of going to the coaches boss. in certain situation like that, law enforcement should be contacted first to handle the situation.

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Maria Burney

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Nov 12, 2011, 6:06:50 PM11/12/11
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I agree with Alex because everyone wants to act as if they had nothing to do with it and nobody wants to take fault on this scandel. To even witness such a thing, and to not say anything means you are just as wrong. Everyone deserved what they got.

On Nov 11, 2011 10:26 AM, "Alex Taylor" <ayoo....@gmail.com> wrote:

Everyone involved in the scandal, whether they saw the incident and did nothing or took part in covering it up, they all deserve to be fired and reprimanded. The students and people who do not think that the coach should be fired are ignorant to the fact that he did nothing to help the children who were involved in the sex acts. They believe just because he was a hall of fame coach that he is exempt from any punishment, which he is not.


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Kourtney Lams

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Nov 13, 2011, 12:36:37 PM11/13/11
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i think the coach should have been fired because instead of taking to the police he took it to a higher person. Which wasn't the right thing to do.

Kourtney Lams

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Nov 13, 2011, 12:39:22 PM11/13/11
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i agree because instead of taking things into his own hands he had to pass it up, if he would have said something he could of helped a lot of little boys.

Kourtney Lams

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Nov 13, 2011, 12:40:02 PM11/13/11
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I disagree he should have said something

Eric Rutherford

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Nov 13, 2011, 12:48:26 PM11/13/11
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I believe to a ccertain extent that the Board of Trustees made the most professional of decisions. Everyone is so quick to take the sides of the coaches, but what about the children affected in these heinous acts? Not a single protest was made to support the young men sexually brutalized by Jerry Sandusky.
Joe Paterno, which many people naively fail to realize, was not morally motivated to take more aggressive action to gain necesssary justice for the victims. He failed to complete the proper procedures towards having Sandusky arrested and away from the children he was molesting.

Eric Rutherford

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Nov 13, 2011, 12:51:40 PM11/13/11
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This is the very point, every is missing. He regrets now what he should've done in the past, and that is call the police

Eric Rutherford

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Nov 13, 2011, 12:55:22 PM11/13/11
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What many people don't realize is the Penn state is desperate to protect its image, and money. Being so the university fired those involved to in a sense "create a clean slate".

On Friday, November 11, 2011, Ryan Pellerito <r.pell...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i believe that he should not have been fired, and if they should have let him retire under his own terms.
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>> he went to the AD and told him what happen, he did want he was sopose to do
>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Nicole Ni <nicole...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Eric Rutherford

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I believe to a certain extent that the Board of Trustees made the most professional of decisions. Everyone is so quick to take the sides of the coaches, but what about the children affected in these heinous acts? Not a single protest was made to support the young men sexually brutalized by Jerry Sandusky.

Joe Paterno, which many people naively fail to realize, was not morally motivated to take more aggressive action to gain


Daniel Myles

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Nov 15, 2011, 11:45:22 AM11/15/11
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The events that have surfaced at Penn State are shocking people of all ages from all walks of life.  It is unfortunate when one rapes or molests someone, let alone a minor or young child.  But when someone uses his or her position of authority to get access to young individuals, it is honestly a horrific situation.  If the allegations are true towards the coach, then Penn State has dark days ahead.  I don't necessarily feel that all of the blame is on Coach Sandusky. 
  For people to come forth and say that they witnessed a molestation and were too disheveled to know what to do, they should also be charged with assistance in molestationa dn conspiracy, because while they were too "shocked" to report their discoveries immediately, young boys were defiled and mentally mutilated by the horrors they were subject too.  The Good Samaritan law stands true today and people need to take heed to it before the next child heard on the news confessing to being molested or raped is theirs.


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Daniel Myles

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Nov 15, 2011, 11:49:38 AM11/15/11
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  I agree with the fact that Joe Paterno was slow in making this a known event.  However, for the administration as a whole to act as though the president and the coaches were the only ones aware is highly ridiculous.  Everyone who had seen the molestations take place should be charged not just the president and the coaches.  The president was not aware of the situation, those witnesses were.  Justice is reeling its head, and it's overlooking those who reaped the vegetables of silence while young men were tortured.

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Eric Rutherford <eruther...@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe to a certain extent that the Board of Trustees made the most professional of decisions. Everyone is so quick to take the sides of the coaches, but what about the children affected in these heinous acts? Not a single protest was made to support the young men sexually brutalized by Jerry Sandusky.

Ashley Trobaugh

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Nov 17, 2011, 10:15:31 AM11/17/11
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I think that the coach should have been aloud to finish his last season. the rest i agree with. i think that joe should have called the police first then talked to his boss and it would have turned out better

 
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:12 AM, Nicole Ni <nicole...@gmail.com> wrote:
He didn't do what he was supposed to do.

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Ceangelo Smith

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Nov 17, 2011, 10:29:11 AM11/17/11
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i think he deserve to get fired! how do you do something like that and not expect to have consequences?

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Katrina Rice <katrin...@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't believe he should of got fired, he tried telling the athletic director and the athletic director did not take action, he tried to.


Laila Malki

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Nov 17, 2011, 10:35:22 AM11/17/11
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I think that the coach should have did more besides just calling...

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Alex Taylor <ayoo....@gmail.com> wrote:
Just think about what you would do if that was someone you knew or were related to.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:28 AM, Ashlyn Reynolds <ashlynrey...@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think that he did enough to make sure that this would reported to the authorities.

On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:17 AM, michael thomas <michaelt...@gmail.com> wrote:

he went to the AD and told him what happen, he did want he was sopose to do
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I think it was right to fire the head coach.

Ceangelo Smith

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Nov 17, 2011, 10:34:54 AM11/17/11
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Exactly. Everyone involved should of had repercussions. Its just like any other scandal. Every thing was did behind doors and it came to the light. I feel like all of them being fired will bring justice to the little boys and the little boys families.

Laila Malki

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I agree with Shadyayah  on this matter. The Board of tustees should have taken avtion against Jerry Sandusky a long time ago, matter of fact the 1st time there was an allegation against him!

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Ashley Trobaugh

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i agree with you 100 percent

Ashley Trobaugh

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i agree that he shouldnt have been fired but i dont think he did what he was soposed to do and that he should have called the police first and not his boss

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the head coach shouldnt of been fired, i believe that he did what he was sopose to do.

Ryan Pellerito

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the most important thing was the kids but i think when you have a team like that to think about, what ends up happening (especially for someone that is older) is you make one thing your main priority. Plus all of the added stress Joe Paterno wouldve went through, so he figured he could trust the person thats higher up then him to fix the situation

Jada Mumin

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Nov 23, 2011, 2:15:01 PM11/23/11
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i feel it was right that the coach was fired if he saw it he should have reported it

Jada Mumin

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he should of made sure it was under investigation

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he went to the AD and told him what happen, he did want he was sopose to do
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I think it was right to fire the head coach.

Daniel Myles

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Nov 26, 2011, 8:05:42 PM11/26/11
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There is fault with many different individuas.  It is wrong that the young men were molested.  But families must stress the importance of coming forward with horrific events as soon as they occur.  Had the coaches and staff, God forbid, died, the young men would have lived with that haunt, and the coaches would have died with their earthly punishments left ungiven.

Asia Carraway

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I understand the coach was afraid but he was old enough to take responsibilty as an adult and tell some one what was happening to this boy who clearly couldnt defend himself on his own. I dont care theres not a job in the world that would keep me from reporting what he saw. I really dont know how he slept at night knowing what was going on.if he had a son or was in the boys perdictament he would want someone to report was going on to. He just need to accept the consequences

Ana Carmona

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i think it was right that he was fired because he knew what was going on and chose not to say anything .

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According to many sources Dr. Paul Herbert Edelstein was working in collusion in covering Sandusky for financial gain and knew of the abuse and even participated in the abuse of young children to gain favor and money from Sandusky. Sandusky is famous and started his coaching career at Penn State in 1969, he was employed by Penn State for many years, primarily as defensive coordinator of its Division I football program. In 1977, Sandusky founded "The Second Mile" in State College, PA. Second Mile began as a foster home for troubled boys and grew into a charity dedicated to helping children with absent or dysfunctional families. It operates statewide. Sandusky has been its primary fundraiser.

On many occasions, Dr. Edelstein stayed at Sandusky's home. On many occasions, Dr. Edelstein participated in activities at Penn State. On many occasions, Dr. Edelstein participated in activities of Second Mile. On occasion, Sandusky took Dr. Edelstein out of town to activities in Philadelphia County and other areas.

Sandusky molested multiple victims through his activities with Second Mile and Penn State, dating back to the 1970's. His molestation was enabled by the negligent oversight of Sandusky by Second Mile and Penn State and the University of Pennsylvania.

On multiple occasions, Sandusky's interest in, among other things, showering with young boys, and secluding himself alone with boys to permit sexual access to the young boys, was known, or should have been known, to officials with Penn State and Second Mile and the University of Pennsylvania. Dr. Edelstein was an active participant with Sandusky.

Before 1992, it was illegal to sexually abuse a child, and it was generally known that organizations which provided services to children were exposed to the risk of individuals, such as Sandusky, who have a sexual interest in children. Second Mile and Penn State were each negligent in managing the risk posed to children by persons such as Sandusky and Dr. Paul Herbert Edelstein.

Had Penn State and Second Mile not been negligent in managing the risk posed to children by persons, such as Sandusky, who have a sexual interest in children, Penn State and Second Mile each could have prevented many children, from being sexually assaulted by Sandusky and Dr. Paul Herbert Edelstein.

In 1999, Sandusky retired from Penn State. From 1999 to 2011, Sandusky continued to holdemeritus status at Penn State, and retained an office and telephone in the Lasch Building, where he remained in contact with Dr. Paul Edelstein. Sandusky was allowed access to all recreational facilities, including the showers, had a parking pass for a vehicle, had internet access through a Penn State account, was listed in the faculty directory, enjoyed faculty discounts at the bookstore, and enjoyed educational privileges for Sandusky and eligible dependents. As a retired football coach he had unlimited access to the football facilities, including the locker rooms.

In 2000, a Penn State janitor observed Sandusky and Paul Herbert Edelstein in the showers of the Lasch Building with a young boy pinned up against the wall performing oral sex on the boy. The janitor immediately informed the janitorial staff. No action was taken by Penn State or the University of Philadelphia to investigate or to determine if Sandusky or Dr. Edelstein had molested others prior to 2000. Janitors with information about Sandusky's sexual misconduct with children were discouraged from reporting the incident further.

In 2002, a Penn State graduate assistant observed Sandusky and Dr. Paul Herbert Edelstein raping a 10 year old in the shower at the Lasch Football Building on the University Park Campus.

1. The graduate assistant described the rape to head football coach Joe Paterno.

2. Joe Paterno called Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley, his immediate superior, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy.

Athletic Director Curley called the graduate student to a meeting with Curley and Sr. Vice President of Finance and Business, Gary Schultz, to receive his report directly, and tell the graduate assistant they would look into it and determine what further action to take.

Doctor Paul Herbert Edelstein is a medical research doctor from California and instrumental in diagnosing Legionaries disease at UCLA. Paul Edelstein's current medical research is unethical and cruel and includes brutal animal experiments. His prior funding dried up when Sandusky was arrested, Edelstein fled the state and stayed with his sister Patricia Sue Green (Edelstein) in California. Dr. Edelstein has searched for new revenue streams. Edelstein is associated with medical experiments that resemble Nazi scientific work at Auschwitz.

A number of labs and pharmaceutical companies in New Jersey and Pennsylvania that Dr. Edelstein is affiliated with have acquired cats, dogs and monkeys illegally. Many of the dogs and cats are retrieved from the street. Edelstein and several lab associates go to city animal shelters and claim they are looking for pets, when in fact they are using these animals for medical experiments. Dr. Edelstein also physically abuses many lab animals and is known to have physical and sexual acts with various animals under his care.

Edelstein uses no anesthetic with his work and injects these innocent animals with a host of harmful and poisonous chemicals. These chemicals have no useful purpose and cause pain and ultimately death to all of the animals used in his experiments. Edelstein watches these animals suffer, while taking notes on the possible, questionable useful benefits of these experimental medications.

Edelstein says very little, he only shrugs and states, "everything he is doing is to benefit medical science." He laughs and begins again, taking notes and claims: "He has to make a living. If some animals have to suffer to advance medical science that is the only important item on my agenda." Further, that Dr. Edelstein trapped and tormented stray animals in his neighborhood as a teenager.

Associates claimed Edelstein cheated to get into medical school in the 1960's and cheated on medical exams. When Dr. Edelstein was a resident at UCLA there were problems with missing animals in some of the labs. Many people we questioned claimed that Dr. Edelstein seemed to be a very strange man. He almost never speaks and is very quiet. He always claims that he is busy working on his experiments. From a confidential source at the University claim his wife, Martha Chestnut Edelstein was addicted to Valium and other drugs and is a nervous wreck. At one point Dr. Edelstein had his wife committed to a rehab center in New York for Morphine and other hard narcotics.

The source claims the reason for his wife's drug abuse is Dr. Edelstein's strange experiments in their home and interest in young boys. Dr. Edelstein has apparently set up a lab in the basement where he keeps up to 30 animals: rats, hamsters, and dogs. Edelstein apparently conducts his own experiments and tortures many of the animals. The police have investigated but law enforcement claim they can do noting because Edelstein is a doctor conducting legitimate research.

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