Bondtech (finally) ships the INDX and a shot

[Jody Harris]

Bondtech finally shipped the Founders Edition of the INDX kits:

... AND fires a shot across the legal bow of competetors.

Things are getting hot. 

-j

Think carefully

[Bryan Eckert]

Sounds like a shot directly at that infimech I posted about. That one resembled INDX.

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[david merten]

So did sovol license the tech from bondtech for their new machine?

        David

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[Kurt The 3D Printer GUY!!]

I could be Wrong - but, David - I Do Indeed THINK That was the case...

-K

[Bryan Eckert]

Sovol's machine is more of a traditional toolchanger, except that it's also an IDEX. The small tool heads have a heater and fan on them.

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[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

One interesting aspect of Toolchangers (yeah, we discussed it in the podcast) is that unlike many other basic design facets in 3d printing the method of toolchanging in every Toolchanger out there is different. There are similarities, but each one is a distinct and different design. This is both good and bad. Good because there’s differentiation which drives markets, bad because there’s no standard (e.g. mk8 nozzles).
In my opinion the INDX is by far the superior design, yet it’s also the only design that does not already come in a RTP product.

It’s also interesting that Chinese producers are making them yet we see nothing yet from Bambu or Creality the defacto leaders in this market.

[Bryan Eckert]

The main negative I can think of with a toolchanger is... where do you put the filament? The AMS style units keep filament enclosed, most of them offer drying functions now and there are dozens of models you can print to stack them if you have more than one.

The more toolheads you have the more rolls of filament you have to deal with all at one time. The solution we see from SnapMaker, etc. hanging a bunch of rolls off the side is really clunky, and doesn't work for materials like nylon where you may want to be drying it while printing.

What someone needs to put out next is a 6 or 8 tool machine with a 6 or 8 filament cabinet, auto-loading like the AMS units and that can send any filament to any print heads. I say that because I would use an 8 tool changer as a machine that one head is for support materials, and maybe have two or three .4, two .2, two .6 nozzles filling out the rest, just like I use my H2C. Then let the box determine which toolhead gets which filament that is already in the cabinet, which would be filled with my main filaments I normally use.

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[Jody Harris]

1. Can you imagine the header complexity to achieve that? That would be NUTS!
2. Someone will probably come up with an elegant solution to that. (not the first or second versions.) I cannot imagine such a thing being elegant. When it arrives, I'll think, "Well, that's obvious now that I see it."

-j

Think carefully

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[Bryan Murphy]

I'm hanging everything else from my garage ceiling, I could probably fit a dozen rolls of filament :D

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[Kurt A 3d]

With the XL, you had 5 spools.   The printer has holders on the side for 3 spools on one side and 2 on the other.  The holders can handle 1 or 2 kg spools.    

I find the polydryer boxes great for my PETG.  I have a Ptfe tube and a female female Ptfe conector and I just put the box on the floor :-) 

PLA I just hang on the side. 

At one point I had fillament coming out of a waterproof tub from costco, but frankly the polydryer boxes are great.  I have at one point had 5 of them on the floor.     I wish the 2 pack of 2kg polydryer XL boxes weren’t on back order.  I would snag maybe 4 of those.     I purchased a bunch of Prusament 2kg spools as Printed solid had a them on sale 5 for the price of 4 with 15% off so it came to about $17/kg.   

Of course if one was to plug in 10 polydryers and a printer you would probably blow a breaker. 

Kurt-A

[Bryan Eckert]

It already exists. Mova has been showing off their Atomform Pallete 300, with a 6 filament box that has dual outputs so it can stage the next filament.

https://www.mova.tech/products/palette-300-combo-multi-color-3d-printer

[Jody Harris]

That's not what I was imagining. That's a straight nozzle-swapper with a single filament path. I was trying to imagine a true multi-tool changer multiple filament paths to multiple independent tools.

I would image that for any-filament-to-any-nozzle, that's a better solution.

-j

Think carefully

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

IMO, that’s not much of a negative. I have already seen boxes that manage the spools on AliExpress made for the XL. I won’t bother though because IME PLA breaks within the long guide tubes all the time. This makes the whole idea of automated spool management unmanageable. I have no issues at all with the spools on the side. Has anyone here been able to get TPU to work with an AMS? 

[Bryan Eckert]

Yes I know, but it takes 6 filaments and outputs any of them to 2 separate PTFE tubes.  I don't see why one couldn't be made to output any of the 6 filaments to separate PTFE tubes.

Also there's really no reason they couldn't extrude a single tube with 6 channels in it so you only have one tube running from the cabinet to the printer, where it splits to the separate tubes for the toolheads.

[Kurt The 3D Printer GUY!!]

First - if you use the H2D Bambu - you can use the TPU on the single head - and other filaments and AMS on the 2nd head. 

Now - I have HEARD this is the case - but, I have no real Proof. But, I thought there WAS a TPU put out by Bambu that can Supposedly work with their AMS units. I could be wrong...

-K

[Bryan Eckert]

Unfortunately the TPU for AMS seems to be just semi-flexible PLA.

I used TPU on my old bowden extruder machines just fine, you just had to slow it down. Perhaps if they had a TPU button or similar that slowed down the feed mechanism. 

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[Bryan Eckert]

I use TPU in my AMS HT (single feed unit), but it has a special port you route the TPU through to bypass the feed motor.

Also you have to bypass the filament buffer (that little box on the back of your X1C with the spring), which on the H2 series it's internal so you just feed the PTFE tube out of a port in the rear. A lot of people just make up a Y-splitter for the PTFE tube inside the machine. I haven't done that yet as I mainly print TPU on my FLSun.

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