OMG - its S3D V5!!!

[Kurt at VRFX]

Yup - you heard right - biggest News Item to hit the 3DP Airwaves in a
While! And, I am sure it will be Great Fodder for an Episode of Andy's
Podcast!!!

Needless to say - its WAY Overdue! But, will it save them? Is it too
late for a sinking Ship? And, in order to save them - they put a HIGH
Price on this upgrade - at like $60-70! Yowza.

I heard about this JUST Now on Teams at work - someone just posted about
it. And, they are being like a Copy Cat - since they have implemented
Stuff in their Slicer, which is already in competitor slicers.

OK - sorry for such a long teaser - of course, its not really a Teaser -
since Subject line released the news.

So, yeah - Simplify3D just released version 5.0 of the software.

I'd be curious to know what others thought - especially Andy. Since,
Andy, I know you've posted numerous times, as well as I believe
mentioning it in your Podcast - about how frustrating it was that S3D
was falling behing the pack and not releasing updates!

-K

[Ray Price]

Nice,   I think.

Tempting to jump in, but maybe I'll see what folks say about it before pulling the trigger.  With so many changes to the engine, it will probably be a whole new learning experience to optimize.

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Oooo. This should be fun!

[EricA]

A new license is $200 now! The upgrade price is less than I expected, but still not cheap. Hard to know if it's worth the upgrade cost now that I've spent so much time getting PrusaSlicer/SuperSlicer configured.

[Gary Tolley - Grogyan]

They lost my business, I have already switched to PrusaSlicer, after comparing  other options.

I only just found out through this mailing list of S3D V5 and have not looked into what is new or changed 

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Upgrade is regularly $69 but currently it's $59. I'm downloading right now.

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

Problems.. right at the start. 

It won't migrate any printer profiles it doesn't already know. So all my custom profiles (which is basically ALL my machines) did not migrate!

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

I just gotta say... IMO...

if you're using PS don't bother.

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

It won't take the custom profiles at all. WOW this sucks!

[Ray Price]

Oh jeesh, no custom profile migration.  That is a show stopper for the moment.  I primarily use PS, but it does have an annoying issue with some of my models (which are really basic - a rectangle subdivided into 3 sections) so I have to resort to S3D for those.  

Wonder how difficult it will be to migrate the custom profiles?

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I had to manually enter everything for my DuetClone. There is NO FW setting! Anywhere! No way to tell it it's Marlin, RRF or Sailfish!

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I'm going to try to print anyway. Too bad it's freaking 32 degrees in my garage!! AGG!

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

Seems to be printing OK for now... Looks good. So far I'm super miffed about it not taking my custom p[rofiles and there seems to be no way to tell it what FW!

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

So as far as I can tell... these people decided on their own to not call it FW selection.... instead they've figured if you pick a specific file format then it must match a specific FW. so in "Output", "General", Export File Format you pick from their list and it assumes which FW it is. Any special thing between say RRF and Marlin is per the checkboxes underneath.

These are signs of no user or beta testing.

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

So... As far as I can tell. There's actually not all that much new that makes it worth $59. New infills, new supports, variable layer height, a Multi-extruder wizard (which I assure you I'll be BANGING on), an updated UI... but nothing Earth shattering. No ironing, no interactive way to set start and stops for processes, none of the really innovative infills we see in Cura. They finally fixed the materials tab so it actually does change temp and cooling, but that should have been a free fix!

So... no surprise. Hubris to the max.

IMO... Cura and PS are still better and hmmm they cost NUTHIN!!

[Gary Tolley - Grogyan]

Wow, really?

Guess that means that I have zero interest now in S3D 

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[Ray Price]

Ooof.  I was wondering "where is all the community creator content supporting this big release?".  

3D Printing Nerd has this: https://youtu.be/iU3BAePfHbM

He evidently has had 5.0 for all of a week and he stumbled through a "preview" of 5.0 that was "Meh" at best.  Probably a combination of having already moved on and the underwhelming content of the release.  Sort of painful to watch and I can see why they didn't lead with "and here is what Joel has to say about it".  He did find a bug which appears to have been resolved when he retested with a new release.  Funny, when he talked about new supports, he demoed with a 3D Benchy tilted up on a corner like the PrusaSlicer Organic supports test.  Very underwhelming to see the bog standard square supports in the situation as a contrast to the wild PrusaSlicer organic supports.

Guess which is which:

      

. 

Crickets from Sanladerer 

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I will be looking to see if they ever fixed the 0 distance support problem... That is, the method of painting in the surface of the dense support thats way too rough for clean undersides. I'll report back here. If they did not fix that you can expect me to totally rant on this release in the podcast.

[Joseph Larson]

I think I agree that V5 has nothing to offer, but if they change the paradigm they could enter constant development and end up actually contributing to 3D printing in general. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-95pSWBaCPM

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

Oy Vey are these guys stoopid!!!

[Gary Tolley - Grogyan]

Depends on how modular it is. 

Juding by what is said on the site, it had a few tricks, some of which other free slicers do already. 

Non-planar slicing, and the new 90 degree overhangs are already possible. But will S3D will do these and more? 

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Tall order considering these bozos can't even match software which is FREE!

[Ray Price]

For custom profiles, has anyone tried exporting their custom profile from 4.x (to a factory file) and importing it to 5.0?  Someone on a Facebook group said their custom profiles imported fine.

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[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

I exported to an ff file then tried to import in. It could not do it. Doing it manually was actually no big deal.

Just got my first print.

Ok… I admit… it’s an almost perfect print.

[Ed Street]

To all the negative nancies, 

I would like to see every one of you do the following with a very very handful of people and with minimal support of any form: develop, program, debug, troubleshoot, include unique features, support a large arena of printers, bring the product to market, provide support and maintain the program plus do major version upgrades.  This is no easy feat by any stretch of the imagination, many open-source programs have a large number of programmers, developers, and so forth to obtain what we take for granted.  When you take a look at the back end of operations you suddenly realize that all of the bickering about the new version are very petty and unwarranted.

[Kurt at VRFX]

WOW - didn't know they increased the price of a new license. As I thought the upgrade cost was A LOT! But, my buddy at work - who prints a LOT at home - he has a Personal license of S3D - and he did the upgrade ASAP! He told me, yeah - he uses this stuff for work - as well as at home - and he obviously wants his hands on the newest version ASAP. HE actually watched the 3DP Nerd Video review - and so did I - I did it this morning!!! Some exciting new features.

OF course, for us - for work - we MUST Look at this new upgrade - and see if its worth it for our biz - as well as for our customers.

As such, for me - its VERY Interesting to see this news - and DIG into it - as it directly relates to my job!

-K

P.S. I don't read this forum while at work - so, one can imagine how thrilled I am to see that folks went CRAZY Here with replies. But, alas - my own replies to this thread are a bit late...

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[Kurt at VRFX]

Gary - I hear you. I am sure many, MANY Folks Jumped Ship from S3D - considering they have promised this release for like 3 years. Folks see them as Stagnating - and this release may be TOO late for them. Their upping of initial license cost, along with a comparatively High upgrade cost - makes it Obvious that this is their LAST Hope to try and Survive!

Well - at least that's what I feel about the situation...

-K

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[Kurt at VRFX]

Ray - Custom profiles - exactly what we must consider at Essentium as well!

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[Kurt at VRFX]

Hey Ed,

I hear you. FYI - I come from a VERY EXTENSIVE Programming background (although in Database systems) - but, I can still totally relate!!!

Yes, its tough to produce SW like this with such a small team. But, go back in time, look at some discussions about this co. - and you will find like a parent (I think its a Mom) and a Son - and the parent berates the son there at the co. in front of the workers - and the co. owners do NOT treat the employees nicely! Its a co. in trouble. Believe me - I was thinking of working for them - circa 2018 - when I was desperate for work! After reading about them on the Web - I was like, Wow - I better not go work for them. And, the leadership troubles just prove why it took SO Long to come to market w/V5!!!!

Yes, its a LOT of work for a Small team. But, keep eyes wide open. How LONG has the co. been in existence. They obviously have NOT BEEN Managed well! Yeah - the SW kicked ASS Some years ago - when JetGuy would INSIST people PAY for a Slicer. But, since them - things have changed...

Just sayin'...

-K

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[Ed Street]

Obviously, it goes without saying due to the time frame, there are some major issues going on or went on.  What everyone is failing to comprehend is the logistics of producing a software package like this. Going forward is the key issue and not the drama/hatred that has been rehashed.  I would love to see those who bicker and complain to make their own slicer software and tell us how easy, fast and cheap it is to make.

[LukeH]

I think most people get that it takes a pretty significant effort to roll out a new version of a software application. That said, just because it is hard, doesn’t mean people are obligated to buy it. 

In a competitive market S3D needs to be doing it way better than the other options to justify its premium price, not just barely the same (or not quite as good), especially since they can no longer trade on their name, given that there has basically been a lifetime (in software terms) between versions, and S3D might have an issue with perceived relevance in the current market. 

I think the problem here is that it seems like the “new” features are things that have been in competing products for years now, and so are seen as basically minimum spec, and not marquee features. It is unfortunate, but in a competitive market, there is no reason to pay $200 for S3D, if you can get PS or Cura for free, and get arguably a more advanced feature set. Also, given S3Ds competitors are all open source, it is not like their development or upcoming feature sets are state secrets.

As has been said above in the thread, S3D needed a hook to justify its price, such as Non-planar slicing, or 90 degree support-less printing, or support of 4 degrees of freedom printing, or something that would make people step back and take notice. That’s really hard, and much harder now than it was when they released S3D v4. Sadly, some of those features will probably be in future versions of PS and Cura in the next couple of years, well before S3D can iterate and push out V6, and they will be playing catch-up once again.

[Leon Knook]

Upgraded and installed V5 at home. Wanted to install V5 on a second machine on my work. One license for two machines right? 
NOPE! Version 5 is a one license version on only ONE MACHINE!

I was planning not to complain too much and first try out the software thoroughly and only then give my opinion.  But now that I discover this, I am very frustrated. 

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

My negativity comes from my actually having been there and done that. I’ve been the PM for sw and hw projects that were way more complex and way larger in scope. I know first hand exactly what it actually takes to bring an application from womb to market to tomb. I’ve taken part in every phase of the dev life cycle. I know the investment required. 

And I know the two people behind Simplify3d do NOT know how to do it. We have heard repeated stories about how these two people, mother and son, micromanaged every developer they hired until each gave up and left. 

Many in the 3d printing community have invested much more than the $159 for v4. Many have developed their business task flows around this software and are dependent on it for multiple reasons. As such this very long delayed version upgrade has a lot to live up to and not unexpectedly it doesn’t.

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

Wow I actually wrote a triple negative! Only Simplify3d could get me to do that!

[jfka...@gmail.com]

On top of that they sure didn't announce they were changing to 1 seat per license. Not a huge deal for me but it was nice having 2 installs of it in case I was at a different computer...

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

So far I’m getting impressive prints. Even the dense supports look good when set properly.

[Kurt at VRFX]

If you think about it - that essentially DOUBLES the Price of a License.

For some folks, who have a Desktop PC, and do most of their slicing on that - but, then they have a laptop, and they may test out a slice while on the road, or do slicing while at a friends house who has a printer - that pretty much makes it a Sucky situation for them.

So, although it may not affect you so much, I'm sure it affects others much more.

Will admit, my co-worker, who works with S3D extensively, and even more so than myself (even though I HAVE been using it for work since like April 2019) - he gave a verbal review to a co-worker. Essentially, although its WAY Fast (he compared slicing speed vs. Cura) - the feature set does not seem to make it a truly worthwhile upgrade. Sure it has some nice stuff - but, they are only now catching up to advance features in slicers like Cura & Prusa Slicer. And, since those Free slicers have become so powerful - doesn't seem like much of impetus to shell out the Bucks for S3D...

-K

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[Ray Price]

I would suspect the clock is now ticking, if not expired, for continued maintenace support of 4.x.  They probably don't have bandwidth to keep 4.x current, nor interest, obviously preferring to push people to 5.x.  So, at some point, there will probably be an OS change that tanks 4.x and then you are up a creek without a paddle.  Obviously, 4.x has lasted quite a while on fumes and may last a good deal longer, but anyone on 4.x probably has to seriously consider jumping to 5.x just to continue support or jumping ship all together.

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[Leon Knook]

They have a floating license so that you can switch between 2 computers. Ya great, but they charge 300 dollars for that license. 

Still, you can switch from one computer to another quite easily. Deactivate the license on the computer you are not using and start the application on the machine you want to use. You don't need to uninstall the software on either machine, just leave it installed. The floating license will be much easier, but this is only a few clicks so perfectly workable.

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

Notice the big green button? That tells me that they deactivate when they get t around to it. In other words what you’re suggesting, using this in your task flow when reaching for the laptop to control, a machine directly in the shop will not be as timely as you may need.

[Leon Knook]

The text suggests that, but their support does nothing with this. Basically what you are doing is making changes to their database. I have not experienced anything else that it works immediately.

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

Why not simply only allow one login at a time? This way you install on all your machines, but can only use one at a time. 

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

Bottom line…

The only way I see it making any sense at all to buy S3d now is if your biz has developed a critical task flow around v4. Otherwise I do not see any added value at all for the cost Vs Cura, PS, Ideamaker, mattercontrol, etc,etc…

[jfinks]

Ya that's how fusion360 works and is fine. I imagine the team at Autodesk is light years ahead in dev team. 

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[Ed Street]

Its actually not that hard.  The activation server is a service they outsource to, it is a cost factor as well.  Adobe allows you to deactivate other seats from the newly signed in machine, which is simple and idiot proof for the most part.  They, S3D simply did not pay the $ required for the luxury.

[jfinks]

So far v5 prints a lot slower. A print I do that takes 7hrs is now over 8. And the v5 I have less support fill and running 20mm/s faster.

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[Ed Street]

Another thing, read the license agreement, therein you will find you are authorized 1 year of tech support and after that you have no right to support in any form….

Also most companies allows you to upgrade from 1 seat to 2 seats or more in the upgrade but here we have full price for a new seat or the floating license.  Am still waiting on the email to tell me pricing on floating.

[Duncan Reed]

Another reason this probably won’t work is I seem to remember even in V4 if you did this too many times it locks you out and you have to contact support. I remember there was a bug on Linux version in V4 where it got confused and I had to keep removing and adding back, eventually it locked me out (to be fair s3d created a patch within days of the issue getting flagged with support).

Like many others I switched to prusaslicer 18 months ago.

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[James Fackert]

S3D clearly states that the machine swap feature is just for machine problems or crashes....

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[Scott Wells]

I’m noticing this too, a 24 hr print in v4 is on day 3 and running with v5. I was going to try to dig in to the settings today and see what may be different.

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[jfinks]

Mines not 3x as slow, maybe 20%. Wow 3 days, can't stop that now. My printer sounds and looks to be traveling the correct speeds. The time calculated in app is more accurate. Before a print that said 5hrs took 7hrs. Now it is within 15min. 

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

Make sure to turn off the new Adaptive Layer Height setting or yeah it’s going to do areas with real small layer heights and that could easily increase time to print significantly.

[Scott Wells]

That’s what it is. My layer height is .6 (.8 mm noz). The adaptive layer height is on and the layer height range defaults to .1-.3. So I’ve probably inadvertently doubled-quadrupled my number of layers. 

Live and learn I guess. The print looks really nice at least

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[jfinks]

Ya by defaut that is off. Printing all at .32 .with a .6 nozzle.

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[Ed Street]

I did hear back today on the floating license.  bulk at 10 seems on the high side as well as pricing.

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A single V5 floating license is priced at $399 USD.  We also offer bulk discounts if you are purchasing more than 10 licenses at a single time.  

Once you purchase the license, there is no special setup required.  Just download and install the software as normal.  We take care of everything on our end so that the entire experience is seamless for the end user.  

Once you are ready to purchase the floating license, please let us know how many licenses you need to buy and we can provide order instructions.

Best regards

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[jfinks]

That's pretty crazy. They are operating like there is competition in the paid slicer space. Which there is none or very little. 

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[Ray Price]

Reviews are rolling in -- https://youtu.be/aq6BN3gw67I

TL;DR - stick with 4.x.

This is one of the 3D equipment vendors - TH3D.  He steps through a number of bugs, but the interesting thing I found was how he uses Processes.  I only have a handful of processes and pretty much ignore them unless I have some specialized print need.  This guy has a large number of processes tuned to specific printers and he switches between them based on the printer being used.  Interesting approach that I hadn't thought of before.  Anybody else doing something similar?

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[perry...@gmail.com]

Yeah, they downgraded the licensing.   I have a specific printer that is great, but works really, really well when printing directly for S3D (believe it or not..) .  With the new 1 license per machine instead of 2 licenses per machine, it really screws up my personal process.  I can't be slicing and prepping the next print for that printer at the same time.  And since 5 is not backwards compatible with 4, it is just a mess.    Waiting 4 years for an upgrade and then having them removing the two machines rule is just insane.  
If you buy the upgrade, understand, $60 for one machine only.

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

At the risk of looking like I’m defending S3d…

I’m sorry but this guy is simply doing it totally incorrectly. Yes, there’s bugs that should be fixed, but he has organized it completely WRONG. By doing his organization per printer via the process he has totally ruined being able to use processes for what they were intended for. So what if this “genius” wants to do changes within the print per layer? Say for example a change in fan speed or extruder temp… he won’t be able to all that easily because his massive list of presets as processes is unmanageable.
Actually I have found that things that were broken in the organization per printer,and the organization per material have been almost fixed. 

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

So this tells me that TH3D should be avoided!  Seems any clueless idiot can make themselves look like an expert these days!

[Ray Price]

Thanks for restoring my sanity.  I looked at that and thought "Man that seems unmanageable" but thought maybe I wasn't looking at it from the right angle.  It seemed cumbersome to me.

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[Ed Street]

So I am curious who is to say what is 'right' and 'wrong' on software usage?  No one is.  There are multiple ways to do something; what may be unmanageable to one may be doable by someone else.  Likely in TH3D's case, he worked with a specific issue, and his workaround was his current workflow.

If you are unwilling to look for different ways to get results, you are also unwilling to look for better solutions.  It is just simple thinking outside the box.  I am not defending TH3d, nor have I seen this video.

While we are on the "unmanageable" subject, I would call all of the slicers on the market today unmanageable, clunky, gritty, and with a horrible UI layout to boot.  A good phrase for the is marginally usable; 

PS no I am not trolling just giving an honest opinion.

[jfinks]

Problem is that S3d designed the software to follow a workflow they felt is best. Someone finds a way to customize that for their purposes, maybe right or wrong, but it works for them. Along comes a new version of software and s3d decides to modify their workflow based on user feedback. Changes are made and it breaks the one off non standard workflow. It isn't S3ds fault in this, they don't know all the edge cases in how people are using their software. 

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[Luke Hartfiel]

I agree that all of the current slicers have UIs that range from “manageable” through to “terrible”. PrusaSlicer, although the interface works, it looks like a homage to applications from the 1990s. Cure requires a high resolution screen, or the slicer settings menu covers up the model window - it is way too busy. I’m not sure what the makers of of some of the others were even thinking. 

I’m terms of functionality though, as long as you know what you are doing, you should be able to make any of the major slicers work, and get good results. It is a big “if” though, and is probably why there is so much tribalism with respect to slicer choices - if you have invested lots of hours to work your way around one hokey interface, then many people are loathe to try and figure out another.

What does that mean for S3D? It probably means that anybody who has moved on to something else in the last 4 years isn’t coming back, and anybody who is new to 3D printing in the last couple of years isn’t moving over either. It is only those who have stuck with V4 who will go to V5. That doesn’t seem to be a sustainable business model.

On 21 Dec 2022, at 3:25 pm, Ed Street <black...@gmail.com> wrote:

So I am curious who is to say what is 'right' and 'wrong' on software usage?  No one is.  There are multiple ways to do something; what may be unmanageable to one may be doable by someone else.  Likely in TH3D's case, he worked with a specific issue, and his workaround was his current workflow.

[3D Printing Tips and Tricks]

Of course someone can misunderstand something about using an app and assume the task flow they came up with was ok for updates and changes. But it’s on them not the dev. However the genius in this vid showed that he should have known better since he did use the process correctly later in the vid. No excuse. Think about it this doofus had all those process objects coupled to every factory file. Of course it’ll crash!

Otoh… S3d put the add printer pull down in the process dialog which makes it possible to change after the process is made. It should have gone into a modal dialog making it impossible in the ui to change printers after the process is created. They also included printer specific things in the process that should not have been there such as the build area sizes. So yeah it’s on the bonehead at S3d to some degree.
This is what user testing is for. No doubt the bonehead coded himself into a corner.