btjunkie.org gone (was: Megaupload gone)

[Patrick Webster]

Another one!

http://btjunkie.org/goodbye.html

Maybe the DoJ is starting to scare them?

-Patrick

[Cee Gee]

If I were them, I would be scared. Keep in mind that most of the sites
are not-for-profit, the owners of sites like that won't be driving
around in Ferraris like Kim Dotcom - whose Megaupload (regardless of
intent to pirate) was built to make money.

So if you're offering a free service for the good of the (pirate)
community and you have a regular day-job, why would you take the risk?
Even as a pirating freedom-fighter, most people don't want to lose
their career ambitions, family, whatever.

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isohunt is still hanging on, they are counter suing. With
good reason.

Looking over their case the only issue I see, assuming they
can actually clearly explain the different between a
.torrent and the actual content for the court officials
(most of which probably tuned out after the 3rd paragraph of
his submission) is that the RIA (or their canadian minons
the CRIA) could argue copyright purely on the "text"
comprising the "title" of the IP work being stored in the
index of the torrent file. Given the number of websites
where even viewing some ones rough guess at the lyrics of a
song has been subject to takedown and censorship lately this
is a real danger.

The other point they could argue on is that the submission
"names an invalid entity" to get sued. Since CRIA
conveniently decided to change the official name of their
organisation. I am guessing this was a deliberate stunt.

Of course if a canadian court was stupid or just plain bent
enough to rule in the CRIA's favour on those grounds, this
sets the precedent that no title or text of an IP or
copyrighted name is allowed to be used, effectively shutting
down every newspaper, magazine, book, poster, kids drawing,
footprint in the dirt, blog website, and search engine in
Canada. That and if the name change stunt works, anyone
can worm out of being sued by changing their name.

Both very stupid and dangerous precedents that only an
irrecoverably corrupt legal system would be greedy enough to
make. The IP companies probably don't even see the
implications, nor that they are in effect working towards
indirectly shutting down the internet entirely. Or maybe
they are, printed media is a dying industry all the big ad
companies and print firms making nowhere near what they did
in pre-internet years.

But then again, in the US where currupt officials is the
norm precedents have already been set with regard to search
engines like google who are now forced to comply with legal
notices. I notice google are already altering how their
cache (their most IP sensitive area) works, making it a less
obvious hidden option on the right of each link.

Pity Google hasn't been pissed off enough to petition or sue
a case back against these music/film IP companies for
various things like fraud, economic terrorism, violation of
the constitution and such. Google being international could
probably fight on multiple fronts quite easily with the
lawyers already drawing wages. Wouldn't even effect their
bottom line, and may bring some sanity to assorted countries
where they win.

[Troy Rose]

Yeah, i totally think this stuff is BS. An indexing service, serving the links to content is not, should not, and actually in the essence of free information and net neutrality CAN not be used in be used against these companies in my opinion.

But yet again, it doesn't come down to common sense or logic. It comes down to the bottom line for these companies. Creating a chokehold is what they are good at, and that's why that are trying to achieve, before they cut it off. 

Start getting pissed off. Then start doing something about it.

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[Patrick Webster]

I think the key thing they miss is that, sure people download their
content, but they don't really want it. If you had to pay for it,
you'd decide not to for 95% of the crap on torrents. People watch The
Cleveland Show on TV but nobody actually wants it - people probably
don't even torrent it LULZ.

They claim to be losing billions of dollars, but in actual fact the
billions don't physically exist.

[Marcus Trent]

This couldn't be more true!

(I wrote a 2 page email expressing my rage at RIA but chose to delete it
and put in this cool bracketed sentence instead. Figured my expressions
would get me on some list somewhere)

Anyone know where i can download an online hero from? The interwebz in
desperate need of one or two...

[Cee Gee]

Let's be honest - there's a difference between a computer-savvy kid
who understands that torrents / Megaupload etc can be used for good as
well as pirating, and there is no difference between using google to
find torrents, or pirate bay etc.

However, the real world isnt like that - judges are not computer savvy
- judges are old, like grandmas / grandpas.

Juries aren't computer savvy - smart, intelligent people get out of
jury duty, it's the stupid ones that are left to make the decisions.
Those are the same people that as the office IT guy where the bold
button is on Microsoft Word.

So imagine trying to explain a complex computer related issue to the
office retard or your grandpa -- it's not happening.

Regardless of what the torrent is, how it's not actually pirated
material it's just a pointer blah blah, to your grandpa/office retard,
torrents = pirated material. People go to BTJunkie to get warez/movies
etc, Google is where I find recipes for muffins. That's it.

Guilty. Case closed.

That's the legal/justice system we have, and that's going to be it.

-Sean

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