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May 21, 2024, 2:20:10 AM5/21/24
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So this slipped completely under the radar, this week, they
approved the Digital ID bill. Which means a lot of scary
dictatorship 1984 - like bullcrap just happened.
So now if you cant afford an expensive smart device every
year or so - and dont have the technical proficiency to use
it, dont have an email address, or dont have an internet
plan - no drivers licence, no bank account, no paytv, no
medicare, no centrelink, no public transport, no nightclubs,
no passport for you.
Apparently all it is waiting for now, lacking a referendum,
is uncle giggles the King of the British Isles /
Commonwealth to allow or veto it.
It is not expected that he will withhold royal assent.
Welcome to digital north korea.
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enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
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In politics - Later never happens.
approved the Digital ID bill. Which means a lot of scary
dictatorship 1984 - like bullcrap just happened.
So now if you cant afford an expensive smart device every
year or so - and dont have the technical proficiency to use
it, dont have an email address, or dont have an internet
plan - no drivers licence, no bank account, no paytv, no
medicare, no centrelink, no public transport, no nightclubs,
no passport for you.
Apparently all it is waiting for now, lacking a referendum,
is uncle giggles the King of the British Isles /
Commonwealth to allow or veto it.
It is not expected that he will withhold royal assent.
Welcome to digital north korea.
--
New and improved 2600... well.. ..we drew on some flames and polished it a bit..
--
Google - making sure, life is no more, than 1984...
--
Joseph Goebbels: If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal
enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
--
In politics - Later never happens.
Sid E
May 21, 2024, 7:46:58 AM5/21/24
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Well you good sir, are a person that is not responsible for these government decisions.
You have been going on about this as long as I remember, and there are a handful of people here who have also tried.
Honestly though, we only have ourselves to blame for this mess, I'm not new here and I know people here are 20+ year members of 2600 as well. We clearly don't give a shit enough to speak up, we're too scared for our jobs, our careers, how other people will view us.
Everyone is so scared to lose everything, but don't even see they are slowly giving away the important little hidden things like their privacy, to keep their material possessions and public perception up.
Congratulations people, you keep winning those battles and not seeing the real war!
Mr Wox keep that flame lit my brother...
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Shall we go over the list:
Omnivore/Carnivore tech implemented along With Echelon throughout 12 secret datacentres registered as US Intelligence facilities in Australia.
Omnivore/Carnivore tech implemented along With Echelon throughout 12 secret datacentres registered as US Intelligence facilities in Australia.
National Security revision 1:
Laws passed giving ASIO search/seize/without warrant powers, despite ASIO's only purpose being analysing intelligence and passing it on to the required government/military branch and gives them the right to openly carry Automatic weapons in public - even tho by civil servant standards they are little more than librarians.
Bans ASIS (our real intelligence staff) from being allowed to carry weapons or operate without supervision from US military/Intelligence organisation.
Laws passed giving ASIO search/seize/without warrant powers, despite ASIO's only purpose being analysing intelligence and passing it on to the required government/military branch and gives them the right to openly carry Automatic weapons in public - even tho by civil servant standards they are little more than librarians.
Bans ASIS (our real intelligence staff) from being allowed to carry weapons or operate without supervision from US military/Intelligence organisation.
National Security revision 2:
Adds the power to federal police and ASIO for arrest and permanent detention without warrant. All it requires is a request from a politician. ASIO "anti terror" unit special forces/swat team department added to ASIO under justification of olympics This also means boat people can be locked up for their entire life off shore now in detention too.. which immigration immediately starts doing. It also restricts the media and legal representatives from having access to their detailed individuals.
Adds the power to federal police and ASIO for arrest and permanent detention without warrant. All it requires is a request from a politician. ASIO "anti terror" unit special forces/swat team department added to ASIO under justification of olympics This also means boat people can be locked up for their entire life off shore now in detention too.. which immigration immediately starts doing. It also restricts the media and legal representatives from having access to their detailed individuals.
National Security revision 3:
All internet providers and carriers required to keep full metadata and identifiable info of all their users, and maintain a government backdoor allowing any military, police, or government worker to access it with no oversight. In one year it is recorded that over half a million illegal requests are made by police and civil servants, abusing the system. They also attempt to sneak through a laws allowing guards at offshore detention to execute or beat to death inmates without legal consequence. "Fixated persons" unit in federal police established. In effect, creating a "secret police" department like the KGB. Dutton also unifies immigration, border patrol, and federal police swat team into a single unified "SS" like storm trooper organisation. Their initial uniform is universally condemned, as it literally is a carbon copy of the original SS nazi uniform. They back pedal and design a less extreme uniform that looks like the highway patrol uniform, only better armed. They also pass a law requiring all secure messaging and encryption systems to add a backdoor to allow the government to read and access this secure communications.. despite it being mathematically impossible. 2x2 will always equal 4, you cant make it also equal 3. This is stupid.
All internet providers and carriers required to keep full metadata and identifiable info of all their users, and maintain a government backdoor allowing any military, police, or government worker to access it with no oversight. In one year it is recorded that over half a million illegal requests are made by police and civil servants, abusing the system. They also attempt to sneak through a laws allowing guards at offshore detention to execute or beat to death inmates without legal consequence. "Fixated persons" unit in federal police established. In effect, creating a "secret police" department like the KGB. Dutton also unifies immigration, border patrol, and federal police swat team into a single unified "SS" like storm trooper organisation. Their initial uniform is universally condemned, as it literally is a carbon copy of the original SS nazi uniform. They back pedal and design a less extreme uniform that looks like the highway patrol uniform, only better armed. They also pass a law requiring all secure messaging and encryption systems to add a backdoor to allow the government to read and access this secure communications.. despite it being mathematically impossible. 2x2 will always equal 4, you cant make it also equal 3. This is stupid.
National Security revision 4:
Anti misinformation/Propaganda Bill, which on reading actually appoints a non-elected organisation under control of the government, but with no oversight to arrest, fine or detain any civilian saying things the government does not approve of, and can punish any organisation for not disclosing who wrote it - regardless of its truth, it also removes all safeguards preventing the Australian government engaging in propaganda activities, and anyone calling them out on it, can be arrested of fined for "misinformation" now if they do not accept the lies.
They also toughen up the laws regarding the establishment of independent political parties, making it now impossible for a party other than Liberal and Labour from ever gaining a house majority in an election.
National Security revision 5:
Lockdown/pandemic provisions added, which allows countrywide restriction of movement and house arrest at the whim by each state party. Papers can be required on whim merely to travel between shires and states - requiring government approval. International travel can be blanked banned on whim. Implements a law that makes it illegal to refuse any drug or medication being mandated by the government to be administered to the population. Passes a law effectively making it illegal for social media networks to publish or link to news reports in Australia.
Anti misinformation/Propaganda Bill, which on reading actually appoints a non-elected organisation under control of the government, but with no oversight to arrest, fine or detain any civilian saying things the government does not approve of, and can punish any organisation for not disclosing who wrote it - regardless of its truth, it also removes all safeguards preventing the Australian government engaging in propaganda activities, and anyone calling them out on it, can be arrested of fined for "misinformation" now if they do not accept the lies.
They also toughen up the laws regarding the establishment of independent political parties, making it now impossible for a party other than Liberal and Labour from ever gaining a house majority in an election.
National Security revision 5:
Lockdown/pandemic provisions added, which allows countrywide restriction of movement and house arrest at the whim by each state party. Papers can be required on whim merely to travel between shires and states - requiring government approval. International travel can be blanked banned on whim. Implements a law that makes it illegal to refuse any drug or medication being mandated by the government to be administered to the population. Passes a law effectively making it illegal for social media networks to publish or link to news reports in Australia.
National Security revision 6:
Establishes a single government representative with oversight over global social media, they immediately attempt to censor information in the public interest, the only social media network that pushes back is Twitter/X. Elon Musk in effect tells her to go F*** herself.
National Security revision 7:
Digital ID requirement passed into law, which requires digital devices to be carried by citizens to verify their identity and tracks their location. Those refusing to participate can be prevented from using government, health, insurance, transport, financial, retail, communication and banking services.
Did I miss anything?
-- New and improved 2600... well.. ..we drew on some flames and polished it a bit.. -- Google - making sure, life is no more, than 1984... -- Bill Gates: 640k is more than enough for anybody PC guy down the road: You will never fill that 10mb Hard disk mate Abbott/Turnbull: 25Mbps is "more than enough" for the average Australian household. Turnbull: Actually 10MBs is enough for the average household really. Abbott/Turnbull: It is cheaper to put in FTTN, you get up to 24mbs/down and 256k up.. we can upgrade it more later... -- Abbott: I am sick of being told I am violating human rights. Abbott: We need to pass these extra nation wide surveillance laws as soon as possible, we can fix the issues with the scope later.. -- Adolf Hitler: And so by voting to appoint me high chancelor and to dissolve parliment you vote for a stronger germany, for stong industry and jobs for all.. we can worry about the finer details later.. Adolf Hitler: Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise. -- Joseph Goebbels: If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. -- In politics - Later never happens.
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May 23, 2024, 2:44:50 AM5/23/24
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Oh...
Also they are currently trying to draw up a digital economy
bill. The tax department is implicated here, the desire, in
part motivated by the greedy banking industry in Australia,
to get rid of physical money entirely. This will allow
banks and the tax department to implement 'negative
interest' where in addition to taxes, they can also charge
fees on every transaction even between your own accounts.
Long term this would also allow the tax department to
implement automated taxation on all financial transactions.
The digital equivalent of being taxed for moving your wallet
from your left pocket to your right pocket.
This would also remove all restrictions on fractional
reserve which is already misused by the banking sector to
issue unsecured debt with funds they do not actually have.
The digital equivalent of allowing banks to print their own
money without regulation or restriction at whim.
Hasn't happened yet, it appear to be a gradual process where
they gradually withdraw the larger and smaller fiat
denominations from circulation, and make it more difficult
for individuals and business's to transact using cash. For
instance the Commonwealth bank restricts the number of cash
transactions on formerly unlimited transaction business
accounts to 5 a month now. Which make it rather
inconvenient to maintain a point of sale float and deposit
daily sales made in cash. They have also abolished personal
cheques except in rare instances.
There is nothing but a dystopian nightmare ahead at this pace.
Also they are currently trying to draw up a digital economy
bill. The tax department is implicated here, the desire, in
part motivated by the greedy banking industry in Australia,
to get rid of physical money entirely. This will allow
banks and the tax department to implement 'negative
interest' where in addition to taxes, they can also charge
fees on every transaction even between your own accounts.
Long term this would also allow the tax department to
implement automated taxation on all financial transactions.
The digital equivalent of being taxed for moving your wallet
from your left pocket to your right pocket.
This would also remove all restrictions on fractional
reserve which is already misused by the banking sector to
issue unsecured debt with funds they do not actually have.
The digital equivalent of allowing banks to print their own
money without regulation or restriction at whim.
Hasn't happened yet, it appear to be a gradual process where
they gradually withdraw the larger and smaller fiat
denominations from circulation, and make it more difficult
for individuals and business's to transact using cash. For
instance the Commonwealth bank restricts the number of cash
transactions on formerly unlimited transaction business
accounts to 5 a month now. Which make it rather
inconvenient to maintain a point of sale float and deposit
daily sales made in cash. They have also abolished personal
cheques except in rare instances.
There is nothing but a dystopian nightmare ahead at this pace.
David Fernée
May 26, 2024, 2:49:58 AM5/26/24
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I’m not familiar with the legislation, but I’m not entirely sure that’s all true. If you have specific questions about a point of legislation, or a particular case where it has been abused can you let me know which point of legislation and which particular case?
There is the Independent National Security Legislation Monitor Act 2010: https://www.legislation.gov.au/C2010A00032/latest/versions
Some reviews and reports may be of interest: https://www.inslm.gov.au/reviews-reports
This sort of legislation is not always easy to get right, however, from what little I do know of the way things work here, we are no Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia.
If you remember what happened in London in 2005 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_July_2005_London_bombings) and in Norway in 2011 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks) you might have more sympathy with some of the people working to keep our nation as secure as we can from threats of this kind.
We have some of the most liveable cities in the world, we have our problems, but people walk the streets, for the most part, in relative safety regardless of race, religion or non-violent ideology. Some hate speech is not allowed, but freedom of speech is enjoyed even when political leaders are attacked as if they were from Nazi Germany!
Compared to Adolf Hitler, the Honourable Peter Dutton is Mary Poppins…
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I quite like this. Perhaps the group may not understand why, but an opt-in network for those that want assurance that they are dealing with legitimate businesses and consumers when transacting online, I think it’s a win.
Those of you who don’t know me may not know that I didn’t have a mobile for years, I was just sick of all of it. It was a difficult and humbling experience. Everyone looked at me like I was an alien or some tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy nut. Perhaps forgetting that mobile devices are a relatively new phenomenon in human history. Now I have one again, I still don’t see the appeal. I only have one because everyone expects me to. The amount of scam calls and texts I get makes me want to redesign the entire telecommunications system in this country.
“Why don’t you go on Snapchat or TikTok?” There’s nothing there for me. They are communication systems, if someone wants to send me a video, send it, I’m actually quite busy. If someone wants to take a picture and send it to me, feel free, I don’t even have time to browse photo albums these days. Better still, meet me somewhere for coffee, show me the video or photo over brunch and we can discuss it together.
Something like this is useful for me in that I can choose to only to interact with businesses that are verified by the government and that can also verify me.
This doesn’t stop people using other services that choose not to do this, but for someone like me who wants to be a square head and only wants to be a square head, it’s great news.
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Except it will never be used like
that; it relies on citizens being forced to buy overpriced
fashion accessories with touchscreens, and perish the thought you
ever break or lose it.
It will make exactly zero difference with proof of legitimate business's, and it means when your everyday scammer gets remote access to your phone, he or she can now take out a mortgage in your name.. in addition to robbing you blind.
As for the older citizens, it is a bad idea full stop.
Someone gets a hold of their phone, they can send them to the cleaners financially.
The government covid era apps were all found to be fcking spying apps in most instances too.
Can you really trust the government to get this right? What's the current compromise count on the census data? dozen or more times. How many times has the metadata retention ISP backdoors been found (ie only the known instances?) to have been missued? The count was approaching HALF A MILLION or there abouts?
It will make exactly zero difference with proof of legitimate business's, and it means when your everyday scammer gets remote access to your phone, he or she can now take out a mortgage in your name.. in addition to robbing you blind.
As for the older citizens, it is a bad idea full stop.
Someone gets a hold of their phone, they can send them to the cleaners financially.
The government covid era apps were all found to be fcking spying apps in most instances too.
Can you really trust the government to get this right? What's the current compromise count on the census data? dozen or more times. How many times has the metadata retention ISP backdoors been found (ie only the known instances?) to have been missued? The count was approaching HALF A MILLION or there abouts?
To be blunt.
Fuck that shit.
This will only INCREASE scam callers,
cause the pay off is ooh so much more now. Imagine if a rogue
actor could with a single IP address gain access to your
centrelink, mygov, passport, drivers licence, financials, birth
certificate, social media and bank accounts?
They would fuckin fall all over
themselves to do that.
Using what is in effect a fucking modern day toy as a form of ID? stupid.
My experience with smart devices?
So far EVERY SINGLE PERSON that has come to rely on them - From businesses on the other end of the screen to the person operating the device? It only makes people stupider. I see it every since day at work, I see it every time I see some idiot snowflake showing the world at large exactly where to kidnap them from, every since onlyfans who forgets to disable the metadata stream in their photos, formerly literate users, who come to reply so much on text to speech/speech to text so much they have forgotten how to actually read and write anymore.
Kids that used to go out and exercise have nervous breakdowns becuase someone didnt like their post, and never go outside anymore.
Smart devices as they currently exist at least, can all go rot in hell!
Smarter the device, the dumber the user.
LOL
Using what is in effect a fucking modern day toy as a form of ID? stupid.
My experience with smart devices?
So far EVERY SINGLE PERSON that has come to rely on them - From businesses on the other end of the screen to the person operating the device? It only makes people stupider. I see it every since day at work, I see it every time I see some idiot snowflake showing the world at large exactly where to kidnap them from, every since onlyfans who forgets to disable the metadata stream in their photos, formerly literate users, who come to reply so much on text to speech/speech to text so much they have forgotten how to actually read and write anymore.
Kids that used to go out and exercise have nervous breakdowns becuase someone didnt like their post, and never go outside anymore.
Smart devices as they currently exist at least, can all go rot in hell!
Smarter the device, the dumber the user.
LOL
On 22/05/2024 8:26 am, David Fernée
wrote:
I quite like this. Perhaps the group may not understand why, but an opt-in network for those that want assurance that they are dealing with legitimate businesses and consumers when transacting online, I think it’s a win.
Those of you who don’t know me may not know that I didn’t have a mobile for years, I was just sick of all of it. It was a difficult and humbling experience. Everyone looked at me like I was an alien or some tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy nut. Perhaps forgetting that mobile devices are a relatively new phenomenon in human history. Now I have one again, I still don’t see the appeal. I only have one because everyone expects me to. The amount of scam calls and texts I get makes me want to redesign the entire telecommunications system in this country.
“Why don’t you go on Snapchat or TikTok?” There’s nothing there for me. They are communication systems, if someone wants to send me a video, send it, I’m actually quite busy. If someone wants to take a picture and send it to me, feel free, I don’t even have time to browse photo albums these days. Better still, meet me somewhere for coffee, show me the video or photo over brunch and we can discuss it together.
Something like this is useful for me in that I can choose to only to interact with businesses that are verified by the government and that can also verify me.
This doesn’t stop people using other services that choose not to do this, but for someone like me who wants to be a square head and only wants to be a square head, it’s great news.
On Tue, 21 May 2024 at 9:46 PM, Sid E <side...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well you good sir, are a person that is not responsible for these government decisions.
You have been going on about this as long as I remember, and there are a handful of people here who have also tried.
Honestly though, we only have ourselves to blame for this mess, I'm not new here and I know people here are 20+ year members of 2600 as well. We clearly don't give a shit enough to speak up, we're too scared for our jobs, our careers, how other people will view us.
Everyone is so scared to lose everything, but don't even see they are slowly giving away the important little hidden things like their privacy, to keep their material possessions and public perception up.
Congratulations people, you keep winning those battles and not seeing the real war!
Mr Wox keep that flame lit my brother...
-- New and improved 2600... well.. ..we drew on some flames and polished it a bit.. -- Google - making sure, life is no more, than 1984... -- Bill Gates: 640k is more than enough for anybody PC guy down the road: You will never fill that 10mb Hard disk mate Abbott/Turnbull: 25Mbps is "more than enough" for the average Australian household. Turnbull: Actually 10MBs is enough for the average household really. Abbott/Turnbull: It is cheaper to put in FTTN, you get up to 24mbs/down and 256k up.. we can upgrade it more later... -- Abbott: Being an Aboriginal is a "Lifestyle choice" Abbott: Having optic fiber (FTTP) is a "Lifestyle choice" Abbott/Cabinet: People and Businesses that require broadband should move to the city. Hockey: The extra cost of fuel wont effect low income families, because they don't drive anywhere anymore. Abbott: Australians will have to tighten their belt.. put off that overseas holiday or new car this year.. Abbott: I wont apologize for the stolen generation, I would do it again. Abbott: I stopped the boats, they deserve to be locked up as terrorists. Abbott: I am sick of being told I am violating human rights. Abbott: We need to pass these extra nation wide surveillance laws as soon as possible, we can fix the issues with the scope later.. -- Adolf Hitler: And so by voting to appoint me high chancelor and to dissolve parliment you vote for a stronger germany, for stong industry and jobs for all.. we can worry about the finer details later.. Adolf Hitler: Through clever and constant application of propaganda, people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise. -- Joseph Goebbels: If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State. -- In politics - Later never happens.
Sid E
May 28, 2024, 4:34:42 AM5/28/24
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"Imagine if a rogue actor could with a single IP address gain access to your centrelink, mygov, passport, drivers licence, financials, birth certificate, social media and bank accounts?
They would fuckin fall all over themselves to do that."
You mean the government or different organisations?
(Totally not sent from a smart phone)
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Both, but mainly 3rd parties, like 'akmed' over in Pakistan
claiming to work for ato/amazon/telstra/microsoft
He gets into (hypothetical) Fred Nerk's phone, a 89 year old
man from Rowville. He doesn't have a lock on his phone
screen because his parkinsons makes it too hard to type a
pin. But he also thinks the government and media can be
trusted so dutifully installs the mygov, digital ID,
veterans app. covid app, combank app, self managed super
fund app, and email.
Akmed installs anydesk, then after 'Fred' goes to bed, He
applies for a half million dollar loan, using Freds house as
collateral, remotes in to Freds phone, confirms his ID on
Fred's phone, then a month later when the bank seizes Mr
Nerk's house, car and all his furniture because he defaulted
on the loan... Fred is held responsible - because it
must be his fault, after all it passed all the digital ID
checks.. he must be the one that took out the loan...
Surely the system is more secure, it could not have been
anyone else.
Or Mark White, a hypothetical heroin addict steals Fred's
phone, and does basically the same thing, and blows it all
on drugs and hookers. Oh look, clearly fred is the one
who is at fault here too, after all - the digital ID checks
all passed.. and all the payments were made from Fred's
phone eftpos app using digital id 3 factor.
The creditors also charge him with obstruction, just as a
final F U, because he cant produce his phone. The
prosecutor argues Fred disposed of the phone to try to get
out of the debt.
I can probably think of a million scenarios like this.
How about the 'Chairman Dan' scenario. Fred refuses
his vaccination, so Dan locks Fred out of all his
property, bank and assets in retribution.
After all they are all managed digitally now.
How about the 'Rose Smith' hypothetical scenario.
Rose's phone is now no longer supported by her mobile
provider apple or google. She is on the pension, and
doesn't use the internet. She cannot access her funds
anymore, her digital ID stops working so even if she could
afford a new phone, which she cant because the bank refuses
to let her withdraw cash anymore, and her eftpos app is
broken along with her obsolete "fashion accessory" of a
phone. Also she cant activate it, because her digital ID no
longer works. They find her cold dead corpse 3 weeks
later, when the debt collector sends in guys to seize her
assets for non payment of bills/rent.
All i can see is downsides here, except for Chairman Dan.
On 28/05/2024 6:34 pm, Sid E wrote:
> "Imagine if a rogue actor could with a single IP address
> gain access to your centrelink, mygov, passport, drivers
> licence, financials, birth certificate, social media and
> bank accounts?
>
> They would fuckin fall all over themselves to do that."
>
>
> You mean the government or different organisations?
>
> (Totally not sent from a smart phone)
>
>
claiming to work for ato/amazon/telstra/microsoft
He gets into (hypothetical) Fred Nerk's phone, a 89 year old
man from Rowville. He doesn't have a lock on his phone
screen because his parkinsons makes it too hard to type a
pin. But he also thinks the government and media can be
trusted so dutifully installs the mygov, digital ID,
veterans app. covid app, combank app, self managed super
fund app, and email.
Akmed installs anydesk, then after 'Fred' goes to bed, He
applies for a half million dollar loan, using Freds house as
collateral, remotes in to Freds phone, confirms his ID on
Fred's phone, then a month later when the bank seizes Mr
Nerk's house, car and all his furniture because he defaulted
on the loan... Fred is held responsible - because it
must be his fault, after all it passed all the digital ID
checks.. he must be the one that took out the loan...
Surely the system is more secure, it could not have been
anyone else.
Or Mark White, a hypothetical heroin addict steals Fred's
phone, and does basically the same thing, and blows it all
on drugs and hookers. Oh look, clearly fred is the one
who is at fault here too, after all - the digital ID checks
all passed.. and all the payments were made from Fred's
phone eftpos app using digital id 3 factor.
The creditors also charge him with obstruction, just as a
final F U, because he cant produce his phone. The
prosecutor argues Fred disposed of the phone to try to get
out of the debt.
I can probably think of a million scenarios like this.
How about the 'Chairman Dan' scenario. Fred refuses
his vaccination, so Dan locks Fred out of all his
property, bank and assets in retribution.
After all they are all managed digitally now.
How about the 'Rose Smith' hypothetical scenario.
Rose's phone is now no longer supported by her mobile
provider apple or google. She is on the pension, and
doesn't use the internet. She cannot access her funds
anymore, her digital ID stops working so even if she could
afford a new phone, which she cant because the bank refuses
to let her withdraw cash anymore, and her eftpos app is
broken along with her obsolete "fashion accessory" of a
phone. Also she cant activate it, because her digital ID no
longer works. They find her cold dead corpse 3 weeks
later, when the debt collector sends in guys to seize her
assets for non payment of bills/rent.
All i can see is downsides here, except for Chairman Dan.
On 28/05/2024 6:34 pm, Sid E wrote:
> "Imagine if a rogue actor could with a single IP address
> gain access to your centrelink, mygov, passport, drivers
> licence, financials, birth certificate, social media and
> bank accounts?
>
> They would fuckin fall all over themselves to do that."
>
>
> You mean the government or different organisations?
>
> (Totally not sent from a smart phone)
>
>
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ad...@reviews.wox.org
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to 2600-au...@googlegroups.com
'Oh, just report the phone stolen then!'
"Sure we can help you replace your phone, first can you
confirm your identity on your digital ID app... oh you
cant? Sorry sir I cant help you, Australian law prohibits
telecommunication providers from transferring or replacing
services without confirming their ID first.."
Surely I jest?
4 years ago a law was passed in Australia that means if you
want to transfer your existing mobile number to a new sim,
phone or provider, you need to have access to it. Prior
to that change you only needed to show proof of identity, a
photo ID or health card/utility bill with your name /address
on it.
In other words if you lose your phone and request a
replacement service or your phone provider goes out of
business, because you cant access that number anymore - you
cant transfer it to a new sim/service.
Many companies like google and facebook, and some banks
already use your /mobile number/ as digital ID, so in effect
lose your old number you can lose access to your social
media, email and by extension internet banking too.
That was bad enough. Digital ID makes it even stupider,
expanding this lunacy to /EVERYTHING/ not just your mobile
number service.
On 30/05/2024 1:17 pm, ad...@reviews.wox.org wrote:
> Fred is held responsible - because it must be his fault,
> after all it passed all the digital ID checks.. he must
> be the one that took out the loan...
>
> Surely the system is more secure, it could not have been
> anyone else.
>
> Or Mark White, a hypothetical heroin addict steals Fred's
> phone, and does basically the same thing, and blows it all
> on drugs and hookers. Oh look, clearly fred is the one
> who is at fault here too, after all - the digital ID
> checks all passed.. and all the payments were made from
> Fred's phone eftpos app using digital id 3 factor.
> The creditors also charge him with obstruction, just as a
> final F U, because he cant produce his phone. The
> prosecutor argues Fred disposed of the phone to try to get
> out of the debt.
>
"Sure we can help you replace your phone, first can you
confirm your identity on your digital ID app... oh you
cant? Sorry sir I cant help you, Australian law prohibits
telecommunication providers from transferring or replacing
services without confirming their ID first.."
Surely I jest?
4 years ago a law was passed in Australia that means if you
want to transfer your existing mobile number to a new sim,
phone or provider, you need to have access to it. Prior
to that change you only needed to show proof of identity, a
photo ID or health card/utility bill with your name /address
on it.
In other words if you lose your phone and request a
replacement service or your phone provider goes out of
business, because you cant access that number anymore - you
cant transfer it to a new sim/service.
Many companies like google and facebook, and some banks
already use your /mobile number/ as digital ID, so in effect
lose your old number you can lose access to your social
media, email and by extension internet banking too.
That was bad enough. Digital ID makes it even stupider,
expanding this lunacy to /EVERYTHING/ not just your mobile
number service.
On 30/05/2024 1:17 pm, ad...@reviews.wox.org wrote:
> Fred is held responsible - because it must be his fault,
> after all it passed all the digital ID checks.. he must
> be the one that took out the loan...
>
> Surely the system is more secure, it could not have been
> anyone else.
>
> Or Mark White, a hypothetical heroin addict steals Fred's
> phone, and does basically the same thing, and blows it all
> on drugs and hookers. Oh look, clearly fred is the one
> who is at fault here too, after all - the digital ID
> checks all passed.. and all the payments were made from
> Fred's phone eftpos app using digital id 3 factor.
> The creditors also charge him with obstruction, just as a
> final F U, because he cant produce his phone. The
> prosecutor argues Fred disposed of the phone to try to get
> out of the debt.
>
--
New and improved 2600... well.. ..we drew on some flames and polished it a bit..
--
Google - making sure, life is no more, than 1984...
--
Bill Gates: 640k is more than enough for anybody
PC guy down the road: You will never fill that 10mb Hard disk mate
Abbott/Turnbull: 25Mbps is "more than enough" for the average Australian household.
New and improved 2600... well.. ..we drew on some flames and polished it a bit..
--
Google - making sure, life is no more, than 1984...
--
Bill Gates: 640k is more than enough for anybody
PC guy down the road: You will never fill that 10mb Hard disk mate
Abbott/Turnbull: 25Mbps is "more than enough" for the average Australian household.
Turnbull: Actually 10MBs is enough for the average household really.
Abbott/Turnbull: It is cheaper to put in FTTN, you get up to 24mbs/down and 256k up.. we can upgrade it more later...
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Abbott: Being an Aboriginal is a "Lifestyle choice"
Abbott: Having optic fiber (FTTP) is a "Lifestyle choice"
Abbott/Cabinet: People and Businesses that require broadband should move to the city.
Hockey: The extra cost of fuel wont effect low income families, because they don't drive anywhere anymore.
Abbott: Australians will have to tighten their belt.. put off that overseas
holiday or new car this year..
Abbott: I wont apologize for the stolen generation, I would do it again.
Abbott: I stopped the boats, they deserve to be locked up as terrorists.
Abbott: I am sick of being told I am violating human rights.
Abbott/Turnbull: It is cheaper to put in FTTN, you get up to 24mbs/down and 256k up.. we can upgrade it more later...
--
Abbott: Being an Aboriginal is a "Lifestyle choice"
Abbott: Having optic fiber (FTTP) is a "Lifestyle choice"
Abbott/Cabinet: People and Businesses that require broadband should move to the city.
Hockey: The extra cost of fuel wont effect low income families, because they don't drive anywhere anymore.
Abbott: Australians will have to tighten their belt.. put off that overseas
holiday or new car this year..
Abbott: I wont apologize for the stolen generation, I would do it again.
Abbott: I stopped the boats, they deserve to be locked up as terrorists.
Abbott: I am sick of being told I am violating human rights.
Abbott: We need to pass these extra nation wide surveillance laws as soon as possible, we can fix the issues with the scope later..
--
Adolf Hitler: And so by voting to appoint me high chancelor and to dissolve parliment you vote for a stronger germany, for stong industry and jobs for all.. we can worry about the finer details later..
--
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enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
--
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enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
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