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"ad...@reviews.wox.org" <ad...@reviews.wox.org>: Jun 19 10:43AM +1000
What commonwealth constitution.. the same one that doesn't
recognise local council or land rates but we get charged
them anyway, the same one that defines a levy as a temp
toll to pay off a public asset; yet we have a purpetual fuel
levy that doubles the price, the same one that means the
entire Australian commonwealth has been floated on the US
stock exchange and has shareholders unknown to most of
Australia, and the same one that allows crooked politicians
when someone attempts to serve court papers on them
missusing the anti-terrorism laws to send thugs around to
beat up their mother and arrest them for no reason.
Ohh that constitution. Gotcha.
On 14/06/2021 3:58 pm, Sid E wrote:
> Today is the real reason people don't complain about the
> Constitution - a public holiday!
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The late Charles 'Bud' Tingwell tells me it does... Section 51(xxxi) anyway - The Castle (1997 Australian film) - Wikipedia. If you call him a liar I might ask your teachers to discuss it with you in High School and you can create a pretty pamphlet using your IT skills: Referendum to change the Constitution - AT | The Australian Curriculum.
On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 at 12:04, Daniel Punton <comp...@gmail.com> wrote:
Australia doesn't have a constitution - that's probably the foremost reason no one complains about it.
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FIXATED PERSONS UNIT! OPEN UP!
While you are both correct mostly, David clearly understands the right words that the goonbags in power will listen to.
If we want to change the constitution, we need to first understand the specifics, and then address what exactly needs to change. No one will learn this after 8 years of law school, it's complicated...
A Bill of Rights sounds like an excellent idea, however I disagree with you on the 2A. Better gun control than Port Authur era would certainly be needed though. 2A was written to protect 1A.
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What used to be government is now privatized, it's capitalism infecting the government and exploiting it. When a corporation is held accountable for something no one really is, just a bunch of board members and a dollar figure.
It doesn't matter which side you're on, they are all corrupt as fuck. You can speak to a supporter of any major party, and they will have dirt on the "other" party's members. Then say they are telling the truth not the "other" party.
It's good to see some proactive discussion about issues, because that's where the real change will happen, not relying on some shitty political party to do it.
We've manage to rename a cheese lately, how does that rate on the scale of progress?
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Please forgive me for being facetious. I do understand these issues are very important and perhaps attempted humour was not the best tool to use.
Regarding Human Rights, how would you see it done? Would you want an amendment to the Constitution similar to the Bill of Rights in the United States of America?
As far as I understand it, "Australia is a party to the seven core international human rights treaties": International human rights system | Attorney-General's Department (ag.gov.au).
"The Australian Human Rights Commission also has the power to investigate and attempt to conciliate complaints of unlawful discrimination under Australia's anti-discrimination legislation." Australian Human Rights Commission | Attorney-General's Department (ag.gov.au).
I understand that "Australia is required to periodically report to and appear before the relevant United Nations human rights treaty bodies in relation to the implementation of the human rights treaties to which it is a party." United Nations human rights reporting | Attorney-General's Department (ag.gov.au).
If there are serious instances of abuse, have you tried these options?
Are there specific issues with the Privacy laws here that you have? Are you concerned about breaches of the current Privacy laws?
Which local council is the issue? If you are not interested in any council (the state of Victoria has 79), you could move to French Island or another area that is not administered by a council: Local Government in Victoria - Know Your Council. The State Government is not afraid of stepping in if there are issues with local councils (e.g. Local Government (Casey City Council) Act 2020 (legislation.vic.gov.au)).
I have never met The Honourable Malcolm Turnbull AC, but I am not certain he should shoulder the blame for everything there. Not sure about the situation in the Cayman Islands, but there are procedures for investigating tax evasion and there are courts here too.
I have no knowledge of what the Chinese police would do to certain MP's, but I highly doubt there would be that kind of arrest at this stage. Which Casino? I must be out of date as I thought this gentleman had something to do with some of them: James Packer | Wikipedia.
I have never met The Honourable Peter Dutton MP either but I am not sure he even speaks German ("Es ist was es ist"). Regardless, I doubt he is in the same league as the 4th Reichsführer-SS (Heinrich Himmler). They would have different answers to the "Jewish Question" to begin. I understand that same-sex marriage may not be something that he personally supports, but he is a member of a democracy and that is now legal in Australia. If he was what you say, why would that be allowed here? Which laws are you referring to specifically, particularly the political incarceration law? I should probably read that one as I say controversial things from time to time. Is there someone in prison at the moment that you are worried about?
What services should a local council provide? There are a number of services provided by the municipality I live in that I think are useful (not just the bins... Although they do that rather well and with clockwork regularity).
What part of the Constitution needs to change? I am always open to change. I might even support a referendum about something like a Bill of Rights (perhaps without the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." I still remember the victims of Martin Bryant). If you did want to propose such a thing, without the right to bear arms, you might find many Human Rights activists behind you, but, that is, if you think what is currently done is insufficient.
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The most frustrating thing about the whole friendlyjories issue is the misinformation surrounding who he is, what he does, and the way and how the arrests were conducted.
A huge problem is they aren't actually journalists, Shanks was a child model, and started doing paid videos for the ATCU, GetUp and Greenpeace (according to Wikipedia - I'm sure there was others too). He's not held under journalist standards OR protections, unlike say the Chasers crew who ARE proper journalists, and very good at it.
Journalists are meant to be non-bias, we all know they generally aren't - however they can't just say something defamatory about someone without evidence. Shanks is clearly bias towards one party, and rubs shoulders with some powerful people, so making repeated jabs at a specific MP from the other side made it look suss enough for the cops to justify the FPIU. Is it right? No - probably not, but it's the risk you take when trying to get biased content.
Now lets move on to the whole arrest, including the video he put out. Good Sir Wox, a large chunk of what you wrote was complaining about the fact the police can just came and take you away for no reason. This is true, and you are correct it's something likely in the archives, I can remember one of the laws was put in on Melbourne Cup day to avoid media attention.
In the "arrested" video Shanks pushes the message that you can't just be taken from your home. That's not true, as we all know due to the draconian laws, however he's telling people otherwise and misleading them into thinking we have freedoms we really don't - and maybe should be fighting to get back.
The arrest itself was a dramatic show, Kristo was already walking out the door peacefully and would not have been cuffed up - if he didn't turn around and start screaming MUM TAKE MY PHONE over and over. In my opinion that's one of the dumbest ways you could handle being arrested. His mums already recording, and Kristo turns around and smiles for the camera before the whole commotion went down.
So, now you have 3 pissed off FPU agents, and a phone which is red hot evidence being used to play pass the parcel. How exactly did they expect the situation to end? They didn't care about the rest of the family because that specific agency is built for lone wolf style people. If Kristo went peacefully, I wouldn't be able to pick holes in all this, so that's going to look bad on his behalf.
And this is the issue, you could almost get done for resisting arrested and interfering with evidence or something from the looks of the video. Meanwhile they didn't take any of his other personal belongings like laptop/PC/books? If he truly was a lone wolf threat they would have cleaned him for all his data, but they just wanted to serve the restraining order. A job that uniformed officers would normally do, and should have done on this occasion.
How do we stick up for political commentary and comedy, if they aren't going to act in a professional manner? It could happen to any YouTube content creator here, but the focus is violence which could have been avoided - not the fact the FPIU went after a comedian.
The restraining order (IVO/AVO not sure), is complete bullshit, if you think someone is stalking then have the 200m distance, but not being allowed to have photos or drawings of a politician is completely fucked. What happens if someone sends him a picture? Is that a crime? What if he buys a newspaper and there is a picture in that - is he breaching his AVO?
There are likely lots of things we don't know yet, I know one of the charges is stalking, and if Kristo has a bunch of photos of Bruz taken from a long distance, and made videos about him, and approached him multiple times on the street, and stayed in his AirBNB - well that's not the best look if ya get me. I'm sure Mr Dave "The Well Spoken" Fernee would know where to find the definition of the charges, and link them neatly - which I CBF doing on my phone... but yeah it's a bit of a clusterfuck on both sides.
As much as I'd like to see the case thrown out, we just don't know what the evidence is.
Anyway, plz dont come at me FPU bros - I deleted all my Tony Abbott photos, even the swim suit edition ones!
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